Wade Phillips talks about his future;wade talks with ny media

[cowboyjoe]

He certainly has no shame doing that when he gets indignant, which actually happens more often than it seems. He has this "good ol' boy" image going, but there is no doubt he has an underestimated ego and takes a lot of pride in what he believes he's accomplished. He gets very defensive and even concocts elaborate excuses to make things appear better. Case in point, earning a bye was like a victory.

That's one thing I think is missing from him and that is the desire. I honestly think he could retire tomorrow and tell himself he did "pretty good" and sleep well. I just don't see that burning desire to be regarded as one of the best of all time.

exactly, that is who wade is, remember wade said he was content with the 13-3 record and we should have been content with it too. Thats the problem, he is too content. He does not have that burning desire.

 

[CCBoy]

If you can't see the difference between Wade Phillips and Tom Landry then there is a saying I heard once that comes to mind...... "Nothing is so mysterious as the obvious to the person who doesn't want to see it."

Let's see...since you state total knowledge of the man and his deeds...

The first THREE seasons that Tom Landry was at the head of the Dallas Cowboys, now be SPECIFIC HERE, how did HE look? Smart guy...

There are similarities involved, and if you weren't so stuck on the legend part of Super Bowl successes, then you could see the functional aspects being discussed...and here, don't lose sight of an entire forrest when looking for a tree. Even with Tom Landry, just how many Super Bowl and playoff victories occured by the third season?

Relevance of argument might be considered...a nineteen year run, isn't a same degree of consideration to 2 of 3 seasons by Wade. Now get realistic in your comparisons.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Let's see...since you state total knowledge of the man and his deeds...

The first THREE seasons that Tom Landry was at the head of the Dallas Cowboys, now be SPECIFIC HERE, how did HE look? Smart guy...

There are similarities involved, and if you weren't so stuck on the legend part of Super Bowl successes, then you could see the functional aspects being discussed...and here, don't lose sight of an entire forrest when looking for a tree. Even with Tom Landry, just how many Super Bowl and playoff victories occured by the third season?

Relevance of argument might be considered...a nineteen year run, isn't a same degree of consideration to 2 of 3 seasons by Wade. Now get realistic in your comparisons.

If your saying that in the first 3 years of wade compared to what tom landry did in the first 3 years that wade was the better coach. Wrong!

Totally different circumstance. Now we will see if your as smart as you think you are if your saying wade is the better coach.

What happened in the NFL draft for the Cowboys in 1960?

Who were our draft picks in 1960?

What players did we have the first year, remember?

Who was our number one draft picks that we drafted in 1961 and 1962?

It took Landry 4 years to build this team, because he had nothing the first year. After that the NFL made sure that any expansion team had draft picks when they came into the NFL with the first overall pick. What pick in the first round was Bob Lily,first overall or what?

Now, think about that!

Now, when wade phillips took the team over, what happened in 2006?

How many first round draft choices did wade have on the team when he took it over in 2007?

How many 2nd round picks on the team in 2007 too?

How many probowlers did wade have on the team in 2007?

How many probowlers did Landry have in 1960?

Now answer those questions/

 

[Idgit]

cowboyjoe is the new Drunken Master of CZ. Only he's still working on the 'master' part.

 

[cowboyjoe]

cowboyjoe is the new Drunken Master of CZ. Only he's still working on the 'master' part.

lol Idgit

i know my dallas cowboys history, some inside stuff too on the cowboys, since i know 9 writers now from the media. I have been in a few trivia shows on the cowboys and i have always won those trivia questions. One person in particular who is very good, said i was super tough! I beat him in trivia by 3 questions.


i have even had to call in and straighten out some media writers on some trivia stuff that they got wrong on the cowboys. One even today on a sports show.

so when someone thinks he knows some cowboys stuff and puts up something like the issue of wade and tom landry, he had better think again.

 

[Idgit]

lol Idgit

i know my dallas cowboys history, some inside stuff too on the cowboys, since i know 9 writers now from the media. I have been in a few trivia shows on the cowboys and i have always won those trivia questions. One person in particular who is very good, said i was super tough! I beat him in trivia by 3 questions.


i have even had to call in and straighten out some media writers on some trivia stuff that they got wrong on the cowboys. One even today on a sports show.

so when someone thinks he knows some cowboys stuff and puts up something like the issue of wade and tom landry, he had better think again.

. Just playin'.

 

[cowboyjoe]

. Just playin'.

I know, was just playing back too.

 

[rcaldw]

Let's see...since you state total knowledge of the man and his deeds...

The first THREE seasons that Tom Landry was at the head of the Dallas Cowboys, now be SPECIFIC HERE, how did HE look? Smart guy...

There are similarities involved, and if you weren't so stuck on the legend part of Super Bowl successes, then you could see the functional aspects being discussed...and here, don't lose sight of an entire forrest when looking for a tree. Even with Tom Landry, just how many Super Bowl and playoff victories occured by the third season?

Relevance of argument might be considered...a nineteen year run, isn't a same degree of consideration to 2 of 3 seasons by Wade. Now get realistic in your comparisons.

Wade Phillips compared to Tom Landry... I'll make you a deal right now. The day Wade Phillips goes into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on his head coaching credentials, and is considered one of the top 10 coaches of all time, you will never see me on this board again. You can write 300 posts for all I care, producing every argument your mind can produce, and if you can't see that Wade Phillips is NOT in Tom Landry's league, then you have just argued yourself into nonsense.

Tom Landry's first 3 years? Fella, do you know what his rosters looked like those first 3 years? Do you recognize he took a new franchise?

Wade Phillips inherited a roster saved from hell by Bill Parcells.

I won't even waste time getting into it with you. Just back up, take a deep breath, and really realize what you are arguing for. Wade Phillips and Tom Landry???? Really????

 

[cowboyjoe]

Wade Phillips compared to Tom Landry... I'll make you a deal right now. The day Wade Phillips goes into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on his head coaching credentials, and is considered one of the top 10 coaches of all time, you will never see me on this board again. You can write 300 posts for all I care, producing every argument your mind can produce, and if you can't see that Wade Phillips is NOT in Tom Landry's league, then you have just argued yourself into nonsense.

Tom Landry's first 3 years? Fella, do you know what his rosters looked like those first 3 years? Do you recognize he took a new franchise?

Wade Phillips inherited a roster saved from hell by Bill Parcells.

I won't even waste time getting into it with you. Just back up, take a deep breath, and really realize what you are arguing for. Wade Phillips and Tom Landry???? Really????

totally agree with you buddy; boy, it lit me up to when he said that about wade and tom landry too.

obviously the person didnt know that we did not have any draft picks at all in 1960. Then, we didnt have the number one pick overall in 1961, we had to trade our pick in 1962 to draft bob lily, so we had no number one pick in 1962.
on top of that, all teams gave us their scrub players that they didnt want to make up our 1960 roster.

on top of that, the players played in a baseball park first year in dallas, and that was rat infested,

wade phillips could not even shine tom landrys shoes as a head coach, maybe as a defensive coordinator, and you never heard of landry giving the players a day off after they lost a ball game, and due to that little fact, we lost that next game after the arizona game due to being outcoached

if we had won that ram game we would have been in the playoffs last year

 

[khiladi]

What about Garrett? Please say no, please say no....

 

[cowboyjoe]

What about Garrett? Please say no, please say no....

I'm iffy on Garrrett, but just like jason garrett, sean payton had some growing pains to do too. took him awhile.



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Originally Posted by cowboyjoe
One big thing, think about this; first lets look at the great sean payton career in coaching ok''

1997-1998 Phily Eagles quarterbacks coach

1999 new york giants qb coach

2000-2002 new york giants offensive coordinator In this area, a couple of times the head coach had to take play calling duties away from sean, remember?

2003-2005 assistant head coach and quarterbacks coach Dallas Cowboys
If you remember one yr in between 2003 & 05, parcells had to take away the play calling duties away from sean, in fact some of his playcalling was down right awful, we as fans were saying what was that;

2006-Saints head coach of saints, ok what head coach advised sean payton on a QB, was parcells, sean asked him about a QB and Bill Parcells advised Brees.

Ok, it took sean payton when starting as an offensive coordinator from 2000 to 2005 about 6 years before he became a head coach.

Now, lets look at jason garrett bio

Miami Dolphins (2005–2006)
(Quarterbacks coach)
Dallas Cowboys (2007)
(Offensive Coordinator)
Dallas Cowboys (2008)
(Offensive Coordinator and Assistant Head Coach)

In reality Jason has had only 3 years as an offensive coordinator, give him some time, it takes awhile to learn, see what teams are doing to you, get players on your team and have a elite qb that is experienced like drew brees was when sean payton got brees in 2006.

Like i mentioned this year about midseason when romo gets his 50th game under his belt of seeing defenses, game plans, growing up as a leader. Takes time you dont do it overnight.

I do feel that after 3-4 years, you should see something in your players and coaches that have the experience. Its like Jimmy Johnson, it took him from 1989 to basically 1991 to learn the learning curve in the NFL, get good players and coaches. Thats 3 years for Jimmy Johnson to start doing things.

So, give it some time, at the end of this year and going into next year, then there shouldnt be no more excuses for jason garrett.


Then, Nexgenboys posted this below
Which is exactly, and I mean EXACTLY the reason I dont want to see him go to another team.

He IS learning, and he WILL get better. I want to be the team to reap those benefits, not some other team. I dont want Garrett to be the next Sean Payton lighting the league up in...Houston with Andre Johnson or something.
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[jterrell]

Dont even try to put wade in the category of a tom landry. No Way!

All of that would be fine if it were true.

Landry was a quiet coach who did rule over guys to some extent but he also allowed guys like Hollywood Henderson to get away with extremes. Landry was hardly Bear Bryant.

Talking about practice is silly because the NFLPA has rules in place around practice times and dates. Do you really want to discuss Victory Monday now after seeing Dallas go on that roll?

This isn't 1960 but wins and losses are ALWAYS wins and losses.

Landry was a heck of a coach but he coached the Cowboys for 29 years and won 2 Super Bowls in a league with fewer teams. His guiding Dallas to 20 straight winning seasons and all those playoff games are his trademarks not Super Bowl wins. He didn't EVER sale out to win one Super Bowl but built winning teams who approached every game the same.

Funny how much more winning in January seems to matter now.

BTW, Wade has 3 seasons of 500 or better ball guaranteed already and we haven't even played a December game yet. Somewhere Tom would be proud of that.

 

[rcaldw]

All of that would be fine if it were true.

Landry was a quiet coach who did rule over guys to some extent but he also allowed guys like Hollywood Henderson to get away with extremes. Landry was hardly Bear Bryant.

Talking about practice is silly because the NFLPA has rules in place around practice times and dates. Do you really want to discuss Victory Monday now after seeing Dallas go on that roll?

This isn't 1960 but wins and losses are ALWAYS wins and losses.

Landry was a heck of a coach but he coached the Cowboys for 29 years and won 2 Super Bowls in a league with fewer teams. His guiding Dallas to 20 straight winning seasons and all those playoff games are his trademarks not Super Bowl wins. He didn't EVER sale out to win one Super Bowl but built winning teams who approached every game the same.

Funny how much more winning in January seems to matter now.

BTW, Wade has 3 seasons of 500 or better ball guaranteed already and we haven't even played a December game yet. Somewhere Tom would be proud of that.

Wade Phillips - Tom Landry

Nowhere except on a board full of Cowboys fans, imagine that, would these two be put in the same sentence regarding coaching ability.

I'm simply amazed.

 

[jterrell]

Wade Phillips compared to Tom Landry... I'll make you a deal right now. The day Wade Phillips goes into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on his head coaching credentials, and is considered one of the top 10 coaches of all time, you will never see me on this board again. You can write 300 posts for all I care, producing every argument your mind can produce, and if you can't see that Wade Phillips is NOT in Tom Landry's league, then you have just argued yourself into nonsense.

Tom Landry's first 3 years? Fella, do you know what his rosters looked like those first 3 years? Do you recognize he took a new franchise?

Wade Phillips inherited a roster saved from hell by Bill Parcells.

I won't even waste time getting into it with you. Just back up, take a deep breath, and really realize what you are arguing for. Wade Phillips and Tom Landry???? Really????

Tom Landry never would have made it to 1970 as Head Coach here by today's standards so crying about 1960 to 1964 is beyond goofy.

Wade Phillips grew up worshiping Landry and he knew about Mission, Texas not just the Dallas Cowboys.

Bottom line is we allowed Tom Landry to be Tom Landry just as the Steelers allowed Bill Cowher to be Cowher. Teams into fast-food Super Bowls who value nothing more than Super Bowls every 3rd year can't seem to find a coach and I wonder why that is?

Buffalo was STUPID to fire Wade with his 29-19 record as was confirmed by the total failure they have experienced since.

 

[jterrell]

Wade Phillips - Tom Landry

Nowhere except on a board full of Cowboys fans, imagine that, would these two be put in the same sentence regarding coaching ability.

I'm simply amazed.

There are posts that make some sense and then there is this....

They are both coaches who coached the Dallas Cowboys. They are both from Texas. They both had streaks of being over .500. They are in the handful of guys who can be discussed in that regard. If that shocks you then perhaps simple facts elude you.

I never compared their coaching "ability".

I merely noted how the same fans who are all charged up and ready to run Wade out of town worship a guy who didn't accomplish what they expect of Wade for the vast majority of his career.

There is a thin line between love and hate.

 

[rcaldw]

There are posts that make some sense and then there is this....

They are both coaches who coached the Dallas Cowboys. They are both from Texas. They both had streaks of being over .500. They are in the handful of guys who can be discussed in that regard. If that shocks you then perhaps simple facts elude you.

I never compared their coaching "ability".

I merely noted how the same fans who are all charged up and ready to run Wade out of town worship a guy who didn't accomplish what they expect of Wade for the vast majority of his career.

There is a thin line between love and hate.

Wade Phillips is a good DC, who is an average head coach, and until he wins a single playoff game, my perception of him won't change, and I don't think I'm wrong, or very much alone.

If you like him as he is.... who am I to try and change your mind?

 

[Doomsday101]

Only problem I see for Wade is the fact he has not won in post season he is 0-4 frankly some of those teams he got to post season were not that good to begin with.

Here in Dallas he has a chance to change the perception but he is not going to change who he is no more than any of you can change who you are.

When you get down to it the only people Wade needs to convince and have believe in him is his players.

If he can get to post season and advance the only thing that really changed will be peoples perception which as far as I know perception is not reality it is how others view you.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Only problem I see for Wade is the fact he has not won in post season he is 0-4 frankly some of those teams he got to post season were not that good to begin with.

Here in Dallas he has a chance to change the perception but he is not going to change who he is no more than any of you can change who you are.

When you get down to it the only people Wade needs to convince and have believe in him is his players.

If he can get to post season and advance the only thing that really changed will be peoples perception which as far as I know perception is not reality it is how others view you.

very good post and analysis;
very true too;

again, i dont mind in fact i hope he can win this year and ride off into the sunset with a super bowl win. Only thing i mind is when he starts popping off saying he won a playoff game with the bye week or he is a good winning percentage coach and someone is comparing him to be better than tom landry or jimmy johnson

if he was all that hot as he has popped off about he would have already won and not taken him 30 plus years to win

 

[Doomsday101]

very good post and analysis;
very true too;

again, i dont mind in fact i hope he can win this year and ride off into the sunset with a super bowl win. Only thing i mind is when he starts popping off saying he won a playoff game with the bye week or he is a good winning percentage coach and someone is comparing him to be better than tom landry or jimmy johnson

if he was all that hot as he has popped off about he would have already won and not taken him 30 plus years to win

He is defending his record why not he has enough critics out there who slam him at every turn so is he a bit defensive? Yes.

I think believing in yourself matters especially when constantly confronting doubters who want nothing more than to drag you down. Even around here it is not hard to find the same doubters who look for any and everything Wade says as a means to attack

I also do not see Wade winning and riding off into the sunset I think if he can get this team over the hump he will get an extension and continue to coach the Cowboys.

 

[CCBoy]

Some actually think that deep set respect allows a person the ability to cheap shoot at another fan who discusses the realities and even similarities between two coaches with similar backgrounds and personalities...

Just suffice in retort as to comparison of beginnings, you may be right, there isn't a level playing ground in their beginnings...Wade Phillips has a BETTER record, but that still wasn't my point:

'Wade Phillips is the Cowboys all time winningest head coach(percentage-wise) and in that respect, he deserves more credit than he currently gets. Remember, before the Boys were "America's Team", Tom Landry was the coach of "next year's champ" for several years before he finally got it done. Thanks to patience and stick-to-itness on behave of the Cowboys ownership and fan base, Tom Landry was allowed to stay around long enough to prove his way could net championships. I think some patience and stick-to-itness for Wade Phillips way of doing things can net the same results. Will it happen? Today society is impatient. Results now is what matters so I doubt Wade gets that same fair shake. Doing well in December and January will go a long way for Wade.' (from Cowboys Jabber)