Wade speaks on Carp

[dalboy]

sounds like this game will affect if he is with us in the fueture

 

[Big Dakota]

Carp better step it up next year or I am in favor of trading him. The fact he can't get on the field except on special teams speaks very loudly to me.

If Carp doesn't step up and just disappears in camp and PS again, he won't have a whole lot of trade value IMHO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why in the world you would want to see a WR/QB who only runs a 4.58 is beyond me......

touches

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Why in the world you would want to see a WR/QB who only runs a 4.58 is beyond me......

Why do people put so much stock in what a wide receiver ran in the 40?

There is a difference between speed and quickness.

Antwan Randle El is not the fastest guy in the world and has definately carved out a niche for himself as a wideout and a guy who can run gadget plays effectively. For Stanback's size, that is a pretty decent 40 times.

Don't take my word for it, El says it himself:

From Steve: What was your most recent time in the 40?
Antwaan Randle El: I ran a 4.5 flat... I ran a 4.46 before... it fluctuates. I'm more quicker than I am fast.

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[Bob Sacamano]

JPM sucked you

I'm sure that came out wrong

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Carp doesn't step up and just disappears in camp and PS again, he won't have a whole lot of trade value IMHO.

That is a very likely situation. Send him to Miami. Maybe BP can use him.

 

[dthahn]

Why in the world you would want to see a WR/QB who only runs a 4.58 is beyond me......

His actual time is between 4.3-4.4.

 

[theogt]

Here's what he said word for word:

Why hasn't Bobby Carpenter contributed more?
Oh, cause of us maybe. We've made those decisions and that's what we've gone with. And I've told them all -- you don't -- coaches don't always make all the right decisions. And I think Bobby will say this -- the last preseason game we gave him a big opportunity and he didn't play well. And maybe we looked at that too hard. Because he's practiced hard. He's done all the right things in practice. Good guy. And he's a good athlete. So, Bradie James certainly came through -- was part of it too. Bradie showed -- to me I didn't have that feeling going in -- but I did after a certain time that Bradie was a really good football player and needed to be on the field for us at that position during 1st and 2nd downs for sure. That kind of inhibited what we were going to do with Bobby. He'll get some playing time this week. He'll get an opportunity to show us again what he can do.

I think he expected Bobby to overtake Bradie going into this preseason like many of us did. But Bradie lost the weight and played extremely well -- the best football of his career. And Bobby just couldn't justify taking his spot, especially playing poorly as he did. But I think Bobby's going to make a real go at Ayodele's spot next season.

As for not working him in defensive packages, the additional packages we've added throughout the season have been more pass-oriented, removing linebackers from the field, not adding them. So there's really not been anything added where Bobby could have possibly contributed, even if he was playing lights out.

 

[cowboyz]

Wasn't he on the nickel defense until after the Bears game?

I don't think Wade is telling the whole truth.

yeah, i remember that bears game he allowed rex grossman to run for a critical first down. he looked really slow to react in that game.

 

[Vintage]

JPM was being sarcastic towards Hostile; basically poking fun of eduncan and his agenda against Stanback...

Hostile understood this and made a comment about liking old, slow people (perhaps taking a slight jab at eduncan by referring to Henry.....or referring to himself )

No one, other than perhaps eduncan, thinks Stanback is slow.

He ran track. And nearly qualified for nationals (?).

 

[Vintage]

Here's what he said word for word:

I think he expected Bobby to overtake Bradie going into this preseason like many of us did. But Bradie lost the weight and played extremely well -- the best football of his career. And Bobby just couldn't justify taking his spot, especially playing poorly as he did. But I think Bobby's going to make a real go at Ayodele's spot next season.

As for not working him in defensive packages, the additional packages we've added throughout the season have been more pass-oriented, removing linebackers from the field, not adding them. So there's really not been anything added where Bobby could have possibly contributed, even if he was playing lights out.

Don't rule out Burnett taking that spot either...

Burnett gets a lot of sub work in. Wade likes his coverage skills. He gives us speed and athleticism at the LBer spot (particularly ILB).

The reality of it is, in our base defense currently, Ware is a freak athlete, Bradie/Akin are mediocre....and Ellis is below average for a LBer. Outside of Ware, there isn't a ton of speed in our base 3-4 package at LBer.

Burnett (and Carpenter) would bring both speed and athleticism to our base package if one unseats Ayodele. And Spencer would bring good athleticism/speed too.....but Ellis probably starts next year.

 

[Big Dakota]

JPM was being sarcastic towards Hostile; basically poking fun of eduncan and his agenda against Stanback...

Hostile understood this and made a comment about liking old, slow people (perhaps taking a slight jab at eduncan by referring to Henry.....or referring to himself )

No one, other than perhaps eduncan, thinks Stanback is slow.

He ran track. And nearly qualified for nationals (?).

Shows how much i pay attention to ed's posts:laugh1:

 

[theogt]

Don't rule out Burnett taking that spot either...

Burnett gets a lot of sub work in. Wade likes his coverage skills. He gives us speed and athleticism at the LBer spot (particularly ILB).

The reality of it is, in our base defense currently, Ware is a freak athlete, Bradie/Akin are mediocre....and Ellis is below average for a LBer. Outside of Ware, there isn't a ton of speed in our base 3-4 package at LBer.

Burnett (and Carpenter) would bring both speed and athleticism to our base package if one unseats Ayodele. And Spencer would bring good athleticism/speed too.....but Ellis probably starts next year.

I'm not convinced Burnett is sturdy enough to be an every down 3-4 ILB.

 

[rlgiv]

I want to see what Carp is capable of as well but even if he plays well I don't see him breaking in as a starter. If we do resign him at won't be but for anything more than back up money.

I am most interested in seeing Glenn. A healthy Glenn may put us on par with the Pats in terms of offense. Stanback may turn out to be be something pretty special as well. He looked good in his preseason chances and once the conversion is complete has the size and speed to be a real weapon for us.

Alan Ball is somebody else I am looking forward to seeing. If he can develop a little more we may have a secondary that can hold up a little better against above average QB's.

The Spears to NT just may be the most interesting point of this game. If he plays well at the nose that may free up Ratliff to go back to end once Ferguson is healed up. With Tank in the mix NT has turned into a position of strength from one of our weakest going into the season.

We are also going to get the chance to see how our depth on the o-line stacks up against the Skins Dline.

This is going to be a great chance for us to evaluate alot of positions. The Skins are as desperate to win this game as it gets, so we get a great chance to see if the next Romo is hiding somewhere on our roster.

 

[theogt]

I want to see what Carp is capable of as well but even if he plays well I don't see him breaking in as a starter. If we do resign him at won't be but for anything more than back up money.

Carpenter is signed through 2010, so there's no reason to even worry about re-signing him.

The Spears to NT just may be the most interesting point of this game. If he plays well at the nose that may free up Ratliff to go back to end once Ferguson is healed up. With Tank in the mix NT has turned into a position of strength from one of our weakest going into the season.

I agree. It'd be interesting to see a Ratliff/Hatcher, Spears/Tank, Canty/Bowen line next year.

 

[Big Dakota]

I'm not convinced Burnett is sturdy enough to be an every down 3-4 ILB.

He's doesn't play off blocks well enough IMO. Coverage and STs are clearly his niche. Asking him to play the run inside all year might kill the poor guy.

 

[Vintage]

I'm not convinced Burnett is sturdy enough to be an every down 3-4 ILB.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

But he really does do a nice job in coverage for us (or maybe that's just in comparison to some of our other LBers).

And I'd like to see his speed, coverage skills (we still struggle with TEs and RBs), and athleticism on the field. And he can rush the passer some too...

I just want to see what a lineup of Ware and Spencer on the outside, with James and Burnett on the inside would be able to do.... I think it gives us a great blend of speed (Burnett, Ware, Spencer somewhat), pass rush ability (Ware, Spencer in the near future, Burnett/James somewhat), and coverage ability (Burnett, Ware, Spencer somewhat)....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Carp better step it up next year or I am in favor of trading him. The fact he can't get on the field except on special teams speaks very loudly to me.

The Red Sox had to wait until game 6 of the ALCS for J.D. Drew to pay dividends. He got a monster hit(grand slame) and helped lead them to WS. Up until then... he did nothing for them.

I will take a Carp contribution in playoffs

 

[Vintage]

He's doesn't play off blocks well enough IMO. Coverage and STs are clearly his niche. Asking him to play the run inside all year might kill the poor guy.

Possibly. But did Donnie Edwards excel at getting off blocks?

He was primarily used as a coverage guy in San Diego.... Burnett could be utilized in a similar fashion.

Though, having a Jamal Williams in the middle certainly keeps blockers off you too....

 

[theogt]

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

But he really does do a nice job in coverage for us (or maybe that's just in comparison to some of our other LBers).

And I'd like to see his speed, coverage skills (we still struggle with TEs and RBs), and athleticism on the field. And he can rush the passer some too...

I just want to see what a lineup of Ware and Spencer on the outside, with James and Burnett on the inside would be able to do.... I think it gives us a great blend of speed (Burnett, Ware, Spencer somewhat), pass rush ability (Ware, Spencer in the near future, Burnett/James somewhat), and coverage ability (Burnett, Ware, Spencer somewhat)....

Possibly. But did Donnie Edwards excel at getting off blocks?

He was primarily used as a coverage guy in San Diego.... Burnett could be utilized in a similar fashion.

Though, having a Jamal Williams in the middle certainly keeps blockers off you too....

Oh yeah, I don't see any reason to change up the mixture of Burnett coming in on pass downs even if Carpenter takes Ayodele's spot on 1st and 2nd downs. Obviously we won't be able to keep them both forever, but when you've got the talent, you might as well use it.