Wait, you guys hate Roy Williams?

[GhettoxCowboy]

Im really not.

Maybe you just dont remember how good he was compared to now or something.

If he doesn't get back to playing well soon the team will settle this arguement for us.

Yeah but u can't expect a player to play for as long as williams has, and still be in perfect condition ETC.. Would i like Roy to play better in coverage? YES.. But im not gonna sit here and bash the guy for that reason, when i know what the guy has brought our team, ever since we got the guy..

 

[Frozen700]

Actually, i understand that. ur so used to playin 1 way and years after you are forced to chage your style. whats wrong with that? and you sayin the guy sucks is just crazy. I see another ROy hater huh , nice. wonder what's the count on here. Bet you are 1 of them cowboy fans that ran and bought a williams jersey a couple year ago .

nope never ever thought of it...but im not gonna sit here and be fake, yea i use to chant his name, and liked him, and he was almost up there with Newman, but i just can't stand the guy

i do not hate him, because if he balls out this year imma yell n scream, but going off his performance, i just do not even know if i want the guy on this team, not cause i hate him, because he's hurting our team, with his fat contract, and his secondary play, there is a reason teams take advantage ofhim with a TE, not because they think hes ALL THAT, and they wanna see a great match up

 

[Frozen700]

Im really not.

Maybe you just dont remember how good he was compared to now or something.

If he doesn't get back to playing well soon the team will settle this arguement for us.

 

[CATCH17]

Yeah but u can't expect a player to play for as long as williams has, and still be in perfect condition ETC.. Would i like Roy to play better in coverage? YES.. But im not gonna sit here and bash the guy for that reason, when i know what the guy has brought our team, ever since we got the guy..

Yes I can expect it.

Hes only 27 and this has been going on since he was 24.

He should be in the prime of his career right now.

He set this standard for himself and we paid him accordingly.

I apologise for wanting the guy to play like the guy we had his first 3 years.

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

Yes I can expect it.

Hes only 27 and this has been going on since he was 24.

He should be in the prime of his career right now.

He set this standard for himself and we paid him accordingly.

I apologise for wanting the guy to play like the guy we had his first 3 years.

Okay but you do realize the kinda style roy played before, being asked to change it up right? But i do Know that most of that fault is his, though. Either way i support the guy no matter what. and no u don't have to apologise for wanting the guy to play the way he did 2-3 years ago, i wish the same.

 

[Frozen700]

Yes I can expect it.

Hes only 27 and this has been going on since he was 24.

He should be in the prime of his career right now.

He set this standard for himself and we paid him accordingly.

I apologise for wanting the guy to play like the guy we had his first 3 years.

exactly!

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

: Not that funny.. !! LOL

 

[Frozen700]

: Not that funny.. !! LOL

..lol

 

[CATCH17]

Okay but you do realize the kinda style roy played before, being asked to change it up right? But i do Know that most of that fault is his, though. Either way i support the guy no matter what. and no u don't have to apologise for wanting the guy to play the way he did 2-3 years ago, i wish the same.

If he ever gets back to playing like that we will have far and away the best defense in the league.

There was once a time when it wasn't even arguable as to who was the best safety in the NFL.

I hope those days are just around the corner again.

 

[khiladi]

Roy is on Jerry's radar this year... Per Jerry's own words:

"I think that we can expect a much more productive Roy Williams this coming year. That would imply that he had room to be more productive, and I think there are several things I think Roy will know and better deal with. The Roy Williams rule -- I think he will have an acclimation and handle it better. I think that is something that has impacted his play. And I know that it has. I handled the hearing. I represented him on the hearing in the suspension. My point is that is something that has had an impact on him.

But that's not only technique, that's positioning. That's a lot of things. That's get out of ahead of the guy, a little more than coming from behind. There are a lot of things that are involved there he needs to work on. I know he's going to do it better. There are things that impact that can make that better. Our coaching staff, Wade (Phillips), can do some things that can help his game. He'll do better. ...

"My answer to all of (the criticism) is I have every reason to believe technically not just willing it or wishing I, I have every reason to believe he'll play better than last year."

If anybody brings up stats to try and defend Roy, they are just deceiving themselves... It is quite clear, even from Jerry's perspective, that Roy needs to up his game...

 

[big dog cowboy]

Every year it seems Roy's game takes a step backwards. It's time he gets that turned around.

 

[ljs44]

I think the media gets the fans to buy into hating Roy Williams. I've never seen telecasts of games treat a player like they do with Roy where the majority of the time when a team beats Dallas on a big pass play they pan over to Roy no matter if he's on the opposite side of the field and clearly was not even remotely responsible for the coverage.

Two great examples I have is when Toomer scored the first touchdown against Dallas in the playoffs. Henry was in coverage and missed tackles by Henry and Ellis let Toomer score. Yet the camera pans to Roy.

Another one was back in 2005 against the Seahawks when Seattle TE Jerammy Stevens caught a crucial big pass over the middle against Willie Pile. Later that week several media writers talked about how Roy got beat in coverage on that one. Not only was Pile covering Stevans, but Roy actually was blitzing and had hit Hasselbeck just after he threw the ball.

It's the football equivalent of Romo throwing a pass to a receiver who clearly slips and falls mid route and the pass gets intercepted and the media would blame Romo for the interception. Or Romo throws a pass on the money to a receiver who drops it and the media would complain about Romo being inaccurate. That doesn't happen because it would be stupid to think that way. Yet with Roy it seems perfectly okay.

Roy was very average last year and did not play anywhere near like he's getting paid. But I've never seen a player where the media seems to be extremely eager to blame on screwing up everytime there's a big play allowed.




YAKUZA

Totally true. I wonder how other players would deal with the unrealistic expectations that Roy plays under.

Beware of 38 this season.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

If he ever gets back to playing like that we will have far and away the best defense in the league.

There was once a time when it wasn't even arguable as to who was the best safety in the NFL.

I hope those days are just around the corner again.

Your right and there's still no debate that Ed Reed is the best safety in the NFL and has been for years.

If anybody brings up stats to try and defend Roy, they are just deceiving themselves... It is quite clear, even from Jerry's perspective, that Roy needs to up his game...

I disagree with jerry's view of RW. Compared to the RW of old i don't see how this isn't an improvement. He doesn't give up the deep balls any more he keeps the ball infront of him and makes the plays that he can. I guess you guys forgot that Washington game on monday night. Roy doesn't hit as hard as he used to but its reasonable considering how he could have ended up getting hurt and shortening his career.

We never asked RW to line up on a TE man to man his rookie year hell he hardly was in coverage all he did was blitz and stop the run. Now he is on an island against the best TE in the NFL which no other safety does but you guys it isn't enough.

But that's not only technique, that's positioning. That's a lot of things. That's get out of ahead of the guy, a little more than coming from behind. There are a lot of things that are involved there he needs to work on. I know he's going to do it better. There are things that impact that can make that better. Our coaching staff, Wade (Phillips), can do some things that can help his game. He'll do better. ...

He could always improve just like everyone else on our team i guess we dump TO because he drops to much. Or Andre Gurode because he has problems in the shot gun or Flo for the false starts or Tony Romo because he looks for the big play to much.

Stats can help defend roy because i would love to see how many 20 + gain roy has given up how many missed tackles he has compared to each year he has had in the league.

 

[khiladi]

He could always improve just like everyone else on our team i guess we dump TO because he drops to much. Or Andre Gurode because he has problems in the shot gun or Flo for the false starts or Tony Romo because he looks for the big play to much.

Stats can help defend roy because i would love to see how many 20 + gain roy has given up how many missed tackles he has compared to each year he has had in the league.

Did Jerry ever call them out specificaly? Did Jerry say TO has a problem with his technique and focus, or that Gurode snaps too high? The point is, Jerry isn't singling out a particular fault, like a TO dropping the ball. What he is talking about is more than one problem. He is out of position at times, as well as his technique is poor.

"My answer to all of (the criticism) is I have every reason to believe technically not just willing it or wishing I, I have every reason to believe he'll play better than last year."

The fact is, Roy is on Jerry's radar. Jerry recognizes that Roy's play has dropped off, and he said it is because of multiple issues, including technique and positioning. Jerry obviously isn't speaking about Roy, except with input from the coaches. Also, this last year was suppose to be a turning point for Roy. Jerry himself said that this defense was going to make him excel, and yet, his play got worse.

And Dave Campo already said that there are things that Roy needs to work on and get better with. That means, even when he is covering the better tight-ends, he is doing things wrong, which he can be doing better.

 

[CATCH17]

The fact is, Roy is on Jerry's radar. Jerry recognizes that Roy's play has dropped off, and he said it is because of multiple issues, including technique and positioning. Jerry obviously isn't speaking about Roy, except with input from the coaches. Also, this last year was suppose to be a turning point for Roy. Jerry himself said that this defense was going to make him excel, and yet, his play got worse.

And Dave Campo already said that there are things that Roy needs to work on and get better with. That means, even when he is covering the better tight-ends, he is doing things wrong, which he can be doing better.

Great post and in my opinion this post is really the bottom line.

NFL coaches and GM's see it.

So as long as its not going unoticed and they aren't making excuses for him then im fine with it.

Fans will always have excuses for certain players and im just as guilty as anyone.

But like I said Roy set an unbelievable standard for himself.

Also for the guy who said Ed Reed was better than Roy I politely disagree on the 1st 2 1/2 seasons.

I wont even try to make a case for it now because no case is there.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Did Jerry ever call them out specificaly? Did Jerry say TO has a problem with his technique and focus, or that Gurode snaps too high? The point is, Jerry isn't singling out a particular fault, like a TO dropping the ball. What he is talking about is more than one problem. He is out of position at times, as well as his technique is poor.




The fact is, Roy is on Jerry's radar. Jerry recognizes that Roy's play has dropped off, and he said it is because of multiple issues, including technique and positioning. Jerry obviously isn't speaking about Roy, except with input from the coaches. Also, this last year was suppose to be a turning point for Roy. Jerry himself said that this defense was going to make him excel, and yet, his play got worse.

And Dave Campo already said that there are things that Roy needs to work on and get better with. That means, even when he is covering the better tight-ends, he is doing things wrong, which he can be doing better.

Roy is the face of the dallas cowboys that why he gets some much attetion thats why JErry saying he can improve. Roy Williams has to be one of the most talked about cowboys. You make it seem as if jerry held a press confrence and the first think he said was roy needs to improve. Wade phillips said our D-line needs to improve but i don't see any flipping around trying to get rid of any of our d lineman.

 

[khiladi]

Roy is the face of the dallas cowboys that why he gets some much attetion thats why JErry saying he can improve. Roy Williams has to be one of the most talked about cowboys. You make it seem as if jerry held a press confrence and the first think he said was roy needs to improve. Wade phillips said our D-line needs to improve but i don't see any flipping around trying to get rid of any of our d lineman.

Actually, he use to be the face of the Dallas Cowboys. The face of the Dallas Cowboys now includes players like Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, and Marion Barber. These are the impact players on the Cowboys.

Roy really gets no attention anymore, other than bad attention. If he was making a significant impact, than he would get just as much praise as all these other guys.

There is a difference between saying a team can improve in certain areas, and singling out a specific player.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Great post and in my opinion this post is really the bottom line.

NFL coaches and GM's see it.

So as long as its not going unoticed and they aren't making excuses for him then im fine with it.

Fans will always have excuses for certain players and im just as guilty as anyone.

But like I said Roy set an unbelievable standard for himself.

Also for the guy who said Ed Reed was better than Roy I politely disagree on the 1st 2 1/2 seasons.

I wont even try to make a case for it now because no case is there.

I shouldn't even bother posting stats since they mean nothing to you however i will go ahead and do it anyways.

Ed Reed
85 tackles 7 pass defended 5 INTS
71 tackles 9 pass defended 7 INTS
76 tackles 8 pass defended 9 INTS

Roy Williams
99 tackles 3 pass defended 5 INTS
72 tackles 6 pass defended 2 INTS
94 tackles 8 pass defended 2 INTS

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Actually, he use to be the face of the Dallas Cowboys. The face of the Dallas Cowboys now includes players like Tony Romo, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, and Marion Barber. These are the impact players on the Cowboys.

Roy really gets no attention anymore, other than bad attention. If he was making a significant impact, than he would get just as much praise as all these other guys.

There is a difference between saying a team can improve in certain areas, and singling out a specific player.

MB3 i have to disagree with a lot. Even though i like Witten a lot he isn't either. Dware and Romo might be but it still is RW he is the face of the Dallas cowboys.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

more like great in is first year and then lived off his potential for the following years.


Not that Darren Woodson had anything to do with that #1 defense and Roy williams success.


Maybe if Woodson would of stayed longer he could of trained Williams in how o be a great player.

I think Woodson was definitely a factor, but maybe having Campo as head coach his rookie year was a factor too. Now that Campo is back as the DB coach, he can work directly with Roy and make a difference, I hope.