Wait, you guys hate Roy Williams?

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DaBoys4Life;1991908 said:
MB3 i have to disagree with a lot. Even though i like Witten a lot he isn't either. Dware and Romo might be but it still is RW he is the face of the Dallas cowboys.

Um, Witten is everywhere. United Way ring a bell? He was also up for some NFL awards this year. He is definitely one of the faces of the Cowboys along with Romo, Ware and, yes, Roy Williams. I love me some MB3, but his quiet nature kinda keeps him out of the spotlight. Of course, when the helmet goes on, he is definitely one of our best playmakers.
 

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I admit I hate him. I expected to get Ronnie Lott, and instead got Tony Dixon. Instead of a leader, fierce hitter and someone that was going to lead this defense and team, I got no passion, no hitting, awful tackling and lots of finger pointing. RW has not made any game changing plays in at least 2 years. Last year the guy was invisible except for his horse collar penalties. Sorry, but ever since RW found Jesus, he lost his passion for the game....
 

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JakeCamp12;1992046 said:
I admit I hate him. I expected to get Ronnie Lott, and instead got Tony Dixon. Instead of a leader, fierce hitter and someone that was going to lead this defense and team, I got no passion, no hitting, awful tackling and lots of finger pointing. RW has not made any game changing plays in at least 2 years. Last year the guy was invisible except for his horse collar penalties. Sorry, but ever since RW found Jesus, he lost his passion for the game....

Why doesn't Jesus tell him not to horse collar tackle?
 

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DaBoys4Life;1991885 said:
Roy is the face of the dallas cowboys that why he gets some much attetion thats why JErry saying he can improve. Roy Williams has to be one of the most talked about cowboys. You make it seem as if jerry held a press confrence and the first think he said was roy needs to improve. Wade phillips said our D-line needs to improve but i don't see any flipping around trying to get rid of any of our d lineman.

...assessment of Roy Williams being the face of the Cowboys. I believe if you take a look at this article the fans of the Cowboys have stated who is the face of their team. Overwhelmingly they have chosen Tony Romo.

http://wwww.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070908/news_lz1n8popular.html

The article states that the figures come from the NFL itself.

The only way we can settle this argument is to put out a poll among the coach's and Def. Coor.s of the league stating who they would game plan against of the Cowboys' safeties. Hamlin or Roy.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be good for either's career if the results were made public and they were chosen.
 

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I don't hate him but I don't like his play anymore. I used to be willing to put up with his lack of coverage ability when he'd hit hard and played the run great. Now that he doesn't even do those as much anymore there is nothing about him for me to root for.
 

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MarionTheBarbarian24;1991392 said:
Can I ask WHY?
I don't hate him, I just think his best years are behind him and that he can't contribute to the team like he used to. For me, I'd rather have him out and bring in some young talent. I could be totally wrong, but from what I've seen the last couple of years, I think he's not the force he used to be: he'll continue getting older and slower and that does not help the team. It's never personal. It's about the team.
 

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I doubt many here hate him. And real hard core Dallas fans don't want anything but better play from him. Less that ten safeties have ever been taken in the first ten players. And Roy was in the first five I believe.

People here expect a lot from him and he's not giving it. Why I don't know. Having been a pretty good athlete once (no not in that realm but its all relative) I understand what it means for things to erode your abilities. Now it's age but once it was injuries and a loss of desire to stay where I had gotten.

I think that is Roy's problem. He just needs to do what is necessary to get where he was. You can't slack off one iota.

I think we'll see a better RW this year. The move to get Campo in here was really a desperate move in some ways. Maybe significant move is a better word.

Most here are willing to take a watchful waiting stance.
 
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People dislike Roy because he has developed not into the best safety in the league like he was supposed to be, but into an overweight, overpaid, POS.

He obviously doesn't take football seriously anymore.

He doesn't watch film like top players do.

Maybe he is just too stupid to understand pro offenses and cover them.

If so, then perhaps it isn't his fault, but he is still an albatross to the team with his blame someone else attitude and dumb contract (thanks Jerry).
 

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ManicDepressiveMan;1992368 said:
People dislike Roy because he has developed not into the best safety in the league like he was supposed to be, but into an overweight, overpaid, POS.

He obviously doesn't take football seriously anymore.

He doesn't watch film like top players do.

Maybe he is just too stupid to understand pro offenses and cover them.

If so, then perhaps it isn't his fault, but he is still an albatross to the team with his blame someone else attitude and dumb contract (thanks Jerry).


I agree with most of what you wrote but don't blame Jerry for that contract.

Blame Roy. He most definetely earned it at the time.
 

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Roy is one of my favorites. But I do agree that he is not playing at the level of his first couple years when I thought (any many others) he was the second coming of Ronnie Lott. Big big hits and big big plays.

And last year was particularly disappointing in light of the fact that he was one of the guys who was supposed to benefit heavily from Wade's D. I wouldn't say he played poorly, but it was nowhere near what I expected.

What I would love is for some national reporter to get him on the air and have the cajones to say the following:

"Roy, what happened? Your first couple of years you made the Cowboys secondary a fearsome place for recievers, you routinely knocked players out of games, you plain and simply were ferocious in your hitting and blitzing. Many were so impressed comparisons were being made between you and Hall of Famer Ronnie Lott.

Now, the easiest way to say it is, you seem to have lost your passion for the game. Gone are the big hits and ferocity and aggresiveness that were your signature. Why, Roy? What happened?"​

Why would I want this? Because not only could we maybe get an answer, but maybe it would truly light a fire under him. He has proven he can be extraordinary. Why is he not doing it anymore? That's all I want to know.
 

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MarionTheBarbarian24;1991392 said:
Wait, you guys hate Roy Williams?
Yes.

MarionTheBarbarian24;1991392 said:
Can I ask WHY?
If you need to ask, it's not worth explaining other than to say the guy's play is terribly overrated, he's a football dummy and is an ultra-lazy fat cat (big contract with no passion) with zero accountability.

GET HIM OFF THE TEAM.
 

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T.O81;1991756 said:
tackle? are you lost? the guy is 1 of the best tackling safety's in the NFL. wow you hate the guy that much huh. some of you guys make me laugh.

LOL.

You obviously did NOT watch a SINGLE game last year. Your comment makes me laugh.

I can't even tell you how many times last year.. I saw Roy hit a guy square in his chest, fail to wrap up, and the guy broke the tackle. AT LEAST FIVE. The old Roy would have just put the guy on his ***, and wrapped up.

Not to mention, I saw on some plays last year.. he just looks like he doesn't want to be that missile that he USED to be.. he sometimes looks as if he's AVOIDING contact..
 

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DaBoys4Life;1991885 said:
Roy is the face of the dallas cowboys that why he gets some much attetion thats why JErry saying he can improve. Roy Williams has to be one of the most talked about cowboys. You make it seem as if jerry held a press confrence and the first think he said was roy needs to improve. Wade phillips said our D-line needs to improve but i don't see any flipping around trying to get rid of any of our d lineman.


Roy used to be the face of the Cowboys, but he regressed into being its behind. Roy is in his prime at a young 27 and some of you are making excuses as if he was in his mid 30s.

The truth is he has lost his aggression and confidence and seems to be holding back when playing. He won't hit or tackle with the impact and accuracy as he once did. Coming into the NFL he was regarded as average in coverage but now he is a disaster. He wanted to play closer to the line of scrimmage, frequently got his wish, and underachieved last year.

He blitzes like a turtle wearing slippery Nikes. From an impact standpoint he seemingly has gotten worse after landing a new contract. Not only does the fat and happy description fit him, but also add timid to the formula.

This is a guy who as a rule doesn't consistently study film of the opponent, whose answer is "sue me" for bad performances and has stated that football is not his primary interest. The money he and his agent negotiated with the Cowboys was for the return of the dynamic player he once was, just a few years ago. He truly failed to deliver on his new contract.

Remember Roy Williams was a Top 10 first round draft pick. He should be actually getting better with experience instead of getting worse. Both Parcells and Phillips headed top assistant coordinator and coaching staffs in the NFL. Neither has stopped Roy from hemorraghing.

This is all on Roy. His lack of ineffectiveness, and his liablity has contributed to this defense underachieving in some aspects of their play. He is not the only defensive player with issues but again we are talking about an extremely well paid, top draft pick who at least played to his abilities in the first 3 years of his career.

You want further proof besides chatter from disillusioned knowledgeable fans. Read articles and you will find not only the media but respected analysts and opposing players making similar comments.

I remember the endorsements that came Roy's way when he came into the league and lived up to his reputation. That has pretty much disappeared hasn't it.

Roy the individual off the field is a great and giving person. Roy the football player seems to be ambivalent, passive, conflicted and at times timid. I would have preferred he retired rather than take Jerry's money under false pretenses or lack of effort.

I really hope Campo can turn him around some way, some how. A focused dynamic Roy would help make this defense become so much more dominant and threatening. The only reason Roy is still here is because the salary cap sucking money is keeping him from being traded or cut.
 

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So now Jesus is to blame for why Roy Williams is not a great player? :( :confused:
 

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wastedfluid;1992512 said:
I can't even tell you how many times last year.. I saw Roy hit a guy square in his chest, fail to wrap up, and the guy broke the tackle. AT LEAST FIVE. The old Roy would have just put the guy on his ***, and wrapped up.

Examples? I've got the games downloaded, I'd like to see these instances where he squared a guy up, nailed him in the chest, and nothing happened.
 

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tyke1doe;1992630 said:
So now Jesus is to blame for why Roy Williams is not a great player? :( :confused:
Some guys have to play angry to be effective; that may be more common in the trenches than in the secondary. But if that's what used to work for Roy and now he's kinder and gentler as a result of his 'discovery', it probably means an end to any sustained effectiveness. Maybe his heart's not in it, but he won't admit it.

jmo, kids
 

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DaBoys4Life;1991719 said:
I have problems with this for several reason.

First off the team isn't the same having Woodson back there was so helpful.
Willy was brought in to be THE defensive backfield leader. When Woodson left, Willy should have stepped up his game took control as the dominant defender for the Cowboys. He has, or at one time had, the talent to do so. Instead of being that leader, he chose to take the backseat role and blame others for backfield meltdowns instead of accepting responsibility and making changes to improve like a real leader would.
2nd he was young in the league what we ask him to do know he would have never been able to do as a rookie.
The problem with Wily is that he regressed. His rookie season was amazing. We all knew coming in that his coverage skills were not that great, but we expected him to improve over time and perfect his skills. Today, it would be hard not to argue that his coverage skills are actually worse than his rookie year. At least he made plays in the backfield back then.
3rd PArcells told him to change the way he tackled because it would lead to injury.
You can still be an explosive tackler without risking your own self in the process. Just look at Dawkins from the Eagles. His main objective is to destroy what is in front of him. The only injuries that Willy causes now are broken angles by means of illegal horse collar tackle.
4th The nfl has changed rules can't lead with your head horse collar tackle
You can still lead with your shoulder which is perfectly legal and more injury-safe so theres no excuse there. I don't see the horse collar as an excuse either; others seem to have no problem tackling without yanking a player down from behind. Maybe its because he takes bad angles and is out of place all the time.
5 he lines up against the best TE in the NFL one on one find me one safety that does that.
Um thats one of the major duties of every NFL SS to line up against the TE, yet Willy is the only "top SS" that gets abused by said TE's on a weekly basis.

what we have asked him to do for us has changed and so has the league he hasn't. His stats this year were almost identical to his rookie year.

I really cannot understand why Willy still has defenders. I mean
Roy Willy is so bad, the Cowboys had to go hire him his own coach! We all know that Campo is here to help Willy improve and that is what Jerry specified. He didn't mention Newman or Henry...and he obviously believes enough in Hamlin to put the franchise tag on him. So the staff recognizes that something had to be done. I personally would rather have Hamlin at the SS spot and Watkins as FS with Roy only coming off the bench in run situations.
 

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superpunk;1992669 said:
Examples? I've got the games downloaded, I'd like to see these instances where he squared a guy up, nailed him in the chest, and nothing happened.

Bears game off the top of my head.
 

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cowboyed;1992521 said:
Roy used to be the face of the Cowboys, but he regressed into being its behind. Roy is in his prime at a young 27 and some of you are making excuses as if he was in his mid 30s.

The truth is he has lost his aggression and confidence and seems to be holding back when playing. He won't hit or tackle with the impact and accuracy as he once did. Coming into the NFL he was regarded as average in coverage but now he is a disaster. He wanted to play closer to the line of scrimmage, frequently got his wish, and underachieved last year.

He blitzes like a turtle wearing slippery Nikes. From an impact standpoint he seemingly has gotten worse after landing a new contract. Not only does the fat and happy description fit him, but also add timid to the formula.

This is a guy who as a rule doesn't consistently study film of the opponent, whose answer is "sue me" for bad performances and has stated that football is not his primary interest. The money he and his agent negotiated with the Cowboys was for the return of the dynamic player he once was, just a few years ago. He truly failed to deliver on his new contract.

Remember Roy Williams was a Top 10 first round draft pick. He should be actually getting better with experience instead of getting worse. Both Parcells and Phillips headed top assistant coordinator and coaching staffs in the NFL. Neither has stopped Roy from hemorraghing.

This is all on Roy. His lack of ineffectiveness, and his liablity has contributed to this defense underachieving in some aspects of their play. He is not the only defensive player with issues but again we are talking about an extremely well paid, top draft pick who at least played to his abilities in the first 3 years of his career.

You want further proof besides chatter from disillusioned knowledgeable fans. Read articles and you will find not only the media but respected analysts and opposing players making similar comments.

I remember the endorsements that came Roy's way when he came into the league and lived up to his reputation. That has pretty much disappeared hasn't it.

Roy the individual off the field is a great and giving person. Roy the football player seems to be ambivalent, passive, conflicted and at times timid. I would have preferred he retired rather than take Jerry's money under false pretenses or lack of effort.

I really hope Campo can turn him around some way, some how. A focused dynamic Roy would help make this defense become so much more dominant and threatening. The only reason Roy is still here is because the salary cap sucking money is keeping him from being traded or cut.


Great post btw.

That one should not go ignored.
 

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CATCH17;1992762 said:
Bears game off the top of my head.

That wasn't exactly him having the guy squared up and popping him in the chest as wastedfluid described.

I'd love to see the 5 examples.

Just out of curiousity.. does anyone else get annoyed with Ken Hamlin's tackling? I don't ever see anyone point it out but Hamlin had way more missed tackles than Roy this past season. Not trying to excuse Roy by any means, just curious.
 
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