Was Bobby Carpenter as bad as I'm hearing?

[zrinkill]

Yes ,..... he was.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

He didn't play mediocre. He played fine. Except one bad play. And everyone is jumping on that.

It's like the Crayton drop in the NYG playoff game. No matter what Crayton does, butt hurt fans will ***** about every little mistake because they can't get past the done drop in the NYG. So they carry vendettas and whine about the guy.

So it is with Bobby. People are butthurt that he was a first round pick. So no matter what he does, butthurt fans will complain about the mistakes.

Again, Bobby made a couple plays. Nothing spectacular, nothing good. Just made some plays. But he made one atrocious and glaringly obvious horrible play, and people are mostly reacting to just that.

Is your butthurt?

 

[iceberg]

I wasn't able to watch the game all the way through, I'll try tonight.

Was he really as bad as I'm hearing? Right now Bob and Dan on the Ticket are ripping him, been hearing callers rip him. I didn't realize he was getting killed that badly...man, what a waste...

Can someone explain to me what he did (or didn't do)? Was it the same typical stuff - not taking on blocks, being out of position, etc...

How in the world he played well that playoff game in Seattle is beyond me.

i'm sure you'll get a gambit of answers but from what i could tell, he was embarassingly bad.

before the game a friend came over to crash, drink beer, and watch the game with me and carpenter came up to talk about. i tried to explain he's not a terrible player but a solid contributor that will never live up to the hype of a 1st round pick, much less a parcells pick. in that light alone many fans will resent him and make him out worse than he is.

he then went out and made a complete fool of me. he was a clinic in how to be in the wrong position, and a professor of "wiff the tackle 101" working on his thesis for a doctorate in the topic.

usually i see him on special teams doing something good at best, but a solid player. last night he was just terrible. he wasn't alone so i don't wanna dive into "pick on bobby" but he sure did look as bad as people say.

 

[Bass-Assasin]

Bobby carpenter could have made the tackle that allowed them to get a first down on the drive that they scored, i noticed on one series brooking wa sin there on 3rd and long and mad almost the exact same tackle

 

[iceberg]

He didn't play mediocre. He played fine. Except one bad play. And everyone is jumping on that.

It's like the Crayton drop in the NYG playoff game. No matter what Crayton does, butt hurt fans will ***** about every little mistake because they can't get past the done drop in the NYG. So they carry vendettas and whine about the guy.

So it is with Bobby. People are butthurt that he was a first round pick. So no matter what he does, butthurt fans will complain about the mistakes.

Again, Bobby made a couple plays. Nothing spectacular, nothing good. Just made some plays. But he made one atrocious and glaringly obvious horrible play, and people are mostly reacting to just that.

wrong.

he made a lot of bad plays but like i say above, he wasn't alone in that regard.

i swear some people just want to get the latest approved "butthurt" insult in so they use it till they wear it out, but they got to use it in a time where it was oh-so-trendy.

i've not ragged on carpenter but since i just talked him up before the game i did notice where he didn't live up to even my "solid player" standard. so no, i'm not and many others are not reacting to one play.

now go take your bobby carpenter defense fund payment and be happy.

 

[baj1dallas]

He played fine. Except one bad play. And everyone is jumping on that.

What did he do that was good at all? He was slow to diagnose every run play that went towards him, did not make a single good tackle, and doesn't do any more in coverage than tackle the guy after he makes a catch.

 

[iceberg]

He made one really embarassing play where he whiffed on a tackle by a couple of yards. Other than that, I did not see him mess up.

But the embarassing play was really obvious, so people are going to act like he made that play every single down. As far as I noticed, it was just once.

I have no love for Bobbie Carpenter, but it is clear for me that he is a favored whipping boy, so the negatives will always be focused on.

i'll agree on favorite whipping boys - crayton example a good one. by and large crayton has been a great WR for us (not in all time but in these desperate times anyway) but people let a play cloud their vision when it's so obvious.

but carpenter just isn't doing much more than pretty good special teams that i can see. he does make more tackles than he misses but a 65-70% ratio - is that all that great?

his 1st round pick will always haunt him here as a cowboy and yes - many fans will see a play or two, hate the loss of the 1st rounder, and mark him perma-trade-bait and want him gone at any opportunity.

i could never tell you why, but we have those players every year and it's just going to be carpenters life here in dallas.

i hope he's not butthurt over it.

 

[irishline]

What did he do that was good at all? He was slow to diagnose every run play that went towards him, did not make a single good tackle, and doesn't do any more in coverage than tackle the guy after he makes a catch.

Well for starters he didn't run out on the field with the wrong package substitution and get us penalized for too many men on the field, and then there's um... well he didn't get us penalized for too many men on the field.

 

[xWraithx]

Is your butthurt?

yes but I don't think he wants to discuss why on this family-friendly message board

 

[Established1971]

I wasn't able to watch the game all the way through, I'll try tonight.

Was he really as bad as I'm hearing? Right now Bob and Dan on the Ticket are ripping him, been hearing callers rip him. I didn't realize he was getting killed that badly...man, what a waste...

Can someone explain to me what he did (or didn't do)? Was it the same typical stuff - not taking on blocks, being out of position, etc...

How in the world he played well that playoff game in Seattle is beyond me.

Tentative, no agression. If you see his "tackles" in the box score consider just about every one of them was a reception he allowed and didnt tackle until the guy got past the first down marker. Add last weeks bad penalty and I think Im gonna finally join the naysayers here. He is done after this year, he may not even last that long.

 

[RS12]

Lets see: The Manster, Chuck Howley, Barbie. Which name does not belong.

 

[Oh_Canada]

One play or ten plays you can't have soft guys getting heavy snaps on a championship team...do you think Ray Lewis would allow a guy like that to stand with him in the huddle? More Keith Brooking less Barbie please.

 

[Clove]

For the life of me, Brooking was one of the best cover guys out there last night. Why they just HAVE to take him out on Nickel downs I don't know.

 

[TD-33]

I have a feeling Jason Williams will be the Nickel LB by mid-season...bank on it

JWill back there, we could do much worse.

 

[Established1971]

It really wasn't that terrible, and on that last drive he gave a geniune smart play effort to tackle the ball carrier while keeping him in bounds, which is very difficult to do.

As our first round pick, we should let him get a season of starting under his belt before we throw him away. It just would be foolish to not.

youre right, that WAS a good play. I just posted how bad he was, and I stand by it overall, but I said that to myself at the moment, it looked like he conciously pulled the guy back when he could have easily shoved him out. That was a smart play.

 

[irishline]

Lets see: The Manster, Chuck Howley, Barbie. Which name does not belong.

You forgot Darren Hambrick but ya i get your point. :

 

[fanfromvirginia]

There was one play in particular when he missed a tackle badly. It was caught on camera, it led to a big play, and he was called out by the announcers.

He did have one nice pass defense/deflection, if memory serves. Other than that, he was embarrassing.

 

[TD-33]

It's like the Crayton drop in the NYG playoff game. No matter what Crayton does, butt hurt fans will ***** about every little mistake because they can't get past the done drop in the NYG. So they carry vendettas and whine about the guy.

Please allow me to rebut. :
I AM NOT down on Crayton, in fact I think he looks quicker this year. Maybe he is just really giving extra effort - I don't know.
But Crayton's drop and the route he slowed on I'm convinced cost us a trip to the SB and just adds fuel to the "Romo can't win big games" garbage. Not to mention, the Friggin giants could have been done right then and there.

But anyway. I don't hate the guy.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

youre right, that WAS a good play. I just posted how bad he was, and I stand by it overall, but I said that to myself at the moment, it looked like he conciously pulled the guy back when he could have easily shoved him out. That was a smart play.

Yep, that was a nice play. People were calling him out because of the one unforgivably bad missed tackle that was caught, commented on and replayed on national TV.

 

[cobra]

My recollection of Carpenter last night (granted, I was not focusing on him) was that he got good pressure on one blitz, he had good coverage breaking up a pass on one play, and he made a very good tackle on the sidelines keeping a guy in bounds towards the end of the game. And then he made an absolutely embarassing whiff on a tackle on a long run. I also noticed him being ineffective on at least 1 other blitz. Other than that, he was a non-factor, neither making plays nor blowing them.

I failed to see anything "embarassingly bad" other than the bad play. Did not see much good either. But his performance was not god awful.

I'm telling you that the negative attention is COMPLETELY being driven by the one atrocious play. Without that, people would not be talking any different about him than they were due to the last 2 games. I guarantee it.