Was Frederick Worth a First Round Pick?

[CowboyMcCoy]

Any response given up to this point isn't going to have any substance to it because we have no real body of work to base any decision on yet.

We have plenty of body. Just as much as any other 1st round picks this year. We have his college experience and now. But if you can't already see this guy is MUCH better than what we had, you should probably quit analyzing players. Frederick improves our offensive line and that's what everyone wanted. Again, I think he's well worth the 1st round pick.

 

[dfan32]

Yes, word is that Baltimore would have taken him. It would have been proclaimed a genius pick by the Ravens and Cowboy fans would be blaming/hating Jerry for not taking him.

In other words, J Jones can't win for losing. Nearly all those who've watched Fredrich since he became a Cowboy have said he works, he studies and he already is capable of all the presnap line calls this offense would need against NFL defenses. Assuming all that is true, he's the best center we've had since Stepnoski and Donaldson....by a long shot.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

We have plenty of body. Just as much as any other 1st round picks this year. We have his college experience and now. But if you can't already see this guy is MUCH better than what we had, you should probably quit analyzing players. Frederick improves our offensive line and that's what everyone wanted. Again, I think he's well worth the 1st round pick.

Which is why you generally see questions like this asked after the players have a few years in the league.. not after 2 preseason games.

You can mention his body of work in college, but there have been alot of great players in college who never panned out in the pros.

Clearly, he's better than what we've had..

Is that really saying anything though?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Which is why you generally see questions like this asked after the players have a few years in the league.. not after 2 preseason games.

You can mention his body of work in college, but there have been alot of great players in college who never panned out in the pros.

Clearly, he's better than what we've had..

Is that really saying anything though?

When this player is already playing at a higher level than Tyron Smith, I think it does.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

When this player is already playing at a higher level than Tyron Smith, I think it does.

That is an assumption that is HIGHLY debatable. I would say its probably false.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

Whether or not he was worth it from a pick value perspective I think it's hard to argue that hes well worth it if he turns out as a good or better C/G, which he looks to be so far.

We've had bad and worse at the center of the line since 2010 and it has made things much, much harder for both Romo and the running game. If we even manage to have a middling line this year, you have to consider it an excellent pick.

 

[jobberone]

This value stuff is a guideline only and the old charts are out of date. With each and every pick of the draft you want a starter. You're not going to get one every time but that's the goal. Living up to contracts and draft position is not what the team looks at. Not saying the money is not important. That's the job of the cap guy not the coaches or scouts or GM. It appears they got a sold starter in Fred. That's the goal if appearances so far are accurate.

 

[Cowboysfan570]

I think HELLZ YEAH is appropriate if for no other reason than he is markedly better than any other Center we have seen here in awhile, already head and shoulders above Gurode.

Really, Gurode? I mean the guy regressed in his final season with the team, but he is still a 5x pro bowler and 2x all pro. I've liked what I've seen out of Frederick, but he has a long way to go before he can prove he is head and shoulders above Gurode.

 

[hra8700]

Pure BAA is the kind of thing you do when you don't have a weakness the size of the Golden Gate Bridge. The Cowboys had some OL issues to address. They still do. And if in their judgement he was the best available linemen for their scheme, they shouldn't give a [strawberry poptart] if other people don't like him.

D-

First, I clearly am not advocating pure bpa. As I said, relative to your current team and scheme. But there it is never a good idea to say "we must have this position" or "we must have this player" unless you are a true contender with a short window, and even then it's questionable (becuase then you might think that ALL YOU NEED is a receiver and you trade a first and a third for roy williams).

Secondly, they were targeting pugh first and frederick second. The problem I have is not in the selection at 31, its in the trade down. You dont turn down huge value like your #5 falling to 18 to fill a need.

 

[jobberone]

Most teams are going to have a choice of players in a tier and often that is at a position of need. If you have a player clearly who is a playmaker or difference maker and is in a tier above the player in the PON then you should consider taking the better player; particularly a playmaker. That's not always easy. And the demarcations are artificial and often subjective. Lee doesn't have superior all around athletic talents although they are pretty good esp his cone and 10 but he makes plays above his abilities because he's a great instinctual football player. The point is you can't always measure greatness or predict success. Everyone misses.

You hope to get a starter with a draft pick and that's all you can hope for excepting he's at a PON as well. And yea there are times you should pick the BPA. You've just got to know which player to pick. And that's often a coin toss.

 

[JohnsKey19]

If he turns out to be the smart anchor in the middle we all hope for him to be, yes it's well worth the first round pick. With his size, smarts and functional strength, he has the potential to be an above average starter at OC.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

they were targeting pugh first and frederick second.

Well, I'm glad they missed out on Pugh. Odds are he'd play LG, so we'd have Costa playing center and Leary may not have gotten a chance to shine.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

How is this my avatar? I never picked this.

 

[jobberone]

How is this my avatar? I never picked this.

It is default avatar until you pick your own. The current software requires members have an avatar to work optimally.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Really, Gurode? I mean the guy regressed in his final season with the team, but he is still a 5x pro bowler and 2x all pro. I've liked what I've seen out of Frederick, but he has a long way to go before he can prove he is head and shoulders above Gurode.

Probably not shoulders above Gurode but he is definitely head above, Frederick is an Orchestrator.

 

[physeter]

Yes or no?

Why or why not?

This is an easy question to answer for me. I'm just interested in hearing what other fans think about Frederick .

ask me again in three years...

 

[DC Cowboy]

He's already the best looking linemen on the line. I mean, he is glaringly better than the others, even better than Tyron Smiff.

REALLY

 

[RoyTheHammer]

REALLY

Yea, i wasn't sure what part of that post was more offensive to me.. the fact that he said Fredrick is "glaringly" better than Tyrone Smith, or the fact that he pronounced Tyrone's last name as "Smiff".

 

[DC Cowboy]

He is already really quick to the second level. He just doesn't run a good 40 time.

It is my understanding that he even calls out what the secondary is doing as well.

 

[jobberone]

It is my understanding that he even calls out what the secondary is doing as well.

He's a good dancer and kind to dogs.

He looks like he'll become a player but it's early. I like the pick so far.