Was Frederick Worth a First Round Pick?

[Tabascocat]

If we didn't draft an offensive lineman and went with a TE in the first, it would be a total meltdown on the web. Even drafting Floyd, there would be outrage because the O-line was ignored again.

Fred would not have been there if Dallas waited until the 3rd, pretty obvious. Would have been gone by mid-2nd IMO. There were too many scenarios for Dallas to miss out on an impact lineman if they passed on Fred, they pretty much had to do it due to the early runs.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If you hadn't heard of Frederick, the number one rated center, then you didn't follow the draft that closely. He was discussed pretty extensively on this board.

Oh, and stop with the third round nonsense. I can't remember the highest rated center ever lasting past the second. They are usually selected in the mid-first to mid-second, and this draft had a top-heavy run on linemen.

As ah recall there were a lot of discussions about a a lot of players leading up to the draft.
And as I implied, I was not hearing about Frederick. The O line was a priority, yes, though young Jones (stephen) this spring threw in a stalking horse -- the need for a safety with the first pick -- and so it went. To say at this date that Frederick was the rage, as Jackie Childs would say, is disengenious, dishonest, discombobulated and dismissive-worthy.

Also, you'd be wise to amend your thesis about the "highest rated center." That is subjective. ou know it, I know and Bob Dole knows it.
And to further dismantle your Cowboys Weekley thesis, the highest-rated center is the highest-rated center to teams that are desperate to get or develop a center. Many teams are too busy looking for the 20 or so OTHER positions that might require upgrades. The highest-rated such and such position means ever thang to one team but might means diddy wah diddy to another team.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you make me so mad!!!!!!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Can we let him play at least a quarter of an NFL game before we decide if he was worth a first round pick?

I am applauding you from atop the radio tower. I hope I do not lose my balance and iffin ah do it will be on your consciousness.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

If you hadn't heard of Frederick, the number one rated center, then you didn't follow the draft that closely. He was discussed pretty extensively on this board.

Oh, and stop with the third round nonsense. I can't remember the highest rated center ever lasting past the second. They are usually selected in the mid-first to mid-second, and this draft had a top-heavy run on linemen.

What the Hammer said. I trust his judgment. I am thinking of making him executor of my estate through the government might have it all soon if the herbalife dont sell no more.

 

[Doomsday101]

What the Hammer said. I trust his judgment. I am thinking of making him executor of my estate through the government might have it all soon if the herbalife dont sell no more.

True but then the same can be said for every single 1st rd pick out there. Was the player worth taking in rd 1? I don't know lets wait and see be it the overall #1 or the 31st pick of rd 1.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I do not think right now that Travis Frederick is glaringly better than Tyron Smith. I'd rethink that if I were you--and also take into account the positions that they play with LT being the island that it is.

I'm happy with what I've seen so far though.

He doesn't need time to "develop". I understand the age difference, but Tyron needed that and still may be developing. I'm a big T. Smith fan. But I can also see that Frederick is more NFL ready and the more complete player during his rookie year. This gives me a lot of hope for our line.

 

[jday]

Yes or no?

Why or why not?

This is an easy question to answer for me. I'm just interested in hearing what other fans think about Frederick .

The problem most people have is that he wasn't a 1st round pick on the "draft experts" draft board. My issue with that statement is that we are talking about the draft experts draft board and not other teams draft board. Other teams may have also had Frederick on their draft board in the 1st round (high 2nd) like Dallas.

Based on what we have seen so far, I'd say Dallas did well with this pick. But that is just my opinion.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

With the timing of his thread and the fact that Frederick has looked good in preseason you would have to assume the OP is basing his question on Frederick's preseason performances. If his question isn't based on Frederick's preseason performances then why didn't the OP ask the question before preseason?

I am absolutely basing my opinion off of preseason performances. I'm not going to lie about that.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The problem most people have is that he wasn't a 1st round pick on the "draft experts" draft board. My issue with that statement is that we are talking about the draft experts draft board and not other teams draft board. Other teams may have also had Frederick on their draft board in the 1st round (high 2nd) like Dallas.

Based on what we have seen so far, I'd say Dallas did well with this pick. But that is just my opinion.

I agree with you, based on the talent he's displayed thus far.

 

[KJJ]

I am absolutely basing my opinion off of preseason performances. I'm not going to lie about that.

It was pretty obvious you were too bad the other poster couldn't see that.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

As ah recall there were a lot of discussions about a a lot of players leading up to the draft.
And as I implied, I was not hearing about Frederick. The O line was a priority, yes, though young Jones (stephen) this spring threw in a stalking horse -- the need for a safety with the first pick -- and so it went. To say at this date that Frederick was the rage, as Jackie Childs would say, is disengenious, dishonest, discombobulated and dismissive-worthy.

Also, you'd be wise to amend your thesis about the "highest rated center." That is subjective. ou know it, I know and Bob Dole knows it.
And to further dismantle your Cowboys Weekley thesis, the highest-rated center is the highest-rated center to teams that are desperate to get or develop a center. Many teams are too busy looking for the 20 or so OTHER positions that might require upgrades. The highest-rated such and such position means ever thang to one team but might means diddy wah diddy to another team.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you make me so mad!!!!!!

Yes, it's subjective, but objectively, every legit draft site I encountered had him ranked as the best center prospect.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

No I don't agree that makes no sense because you end up giving your opinion later after seeing what the consensus is. It makes it appear you're hesitant to give your opinion until you hear what others think. Some don't like being in the minority and fear other posters coming down on them if their opinions differ from everyone else's. I think when someone starts a thread asking everyones opinion of something they should start off by giving their own opinion especially when they claim the answer is an easy one for them. I'm not trying to stir things up with you or trying to offend you but I've noticed in a couple of other threads you've started you've done the same thing.

You ask a question and wait until answers start coming in before providing your own opinion. If you're going to eventually give your opinion why not just start off by giving it? When I have an opinion I'm going to state it regardless if I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that way. I could care less what the consensus is I don't follow the majority I go with what I believe in. I'm not saying that you follow the popular vote but it does appear you're testing the water before sticking your neck out and offering an opinion.

Well, you won't give a prediction until you have the answer, which is pretty weak.

 

[KJJ]

Well, you won't give a prediction until you have the answer, which is pretty weak.

The OP didn't ask for a prediction he asked if Frederick was worth a first round pick and I gave an opinion. Any knowledgeable football fan could tell the OP started this thread based on Frederick's preseason play sorry it had to be spelled out for you. Any knowledgable fan or expert is going to tell you it's way too soon to tell whether he was worth a #1 pick. I knew nothing about Frederick the day the Cowboys drafted him. Once I see him play in the regular season against starting players I'll be happy to make a prediction on his future. When I make predictions you can take them to the bank but if you're looking for me to throw crap at the wall after only 2 preseason games to see if it sticks forget it.

 

[Phrozen Phil]

I disagree. The top rated center rarely lasts until the middle of the second, and given the run of linemen, I seriously doubt Fredrick would have lasted until 47.

Hard not to agree. This year provided a big run on Oline guys very early. To get a good one and a 3rd rounder was a bonus.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The OP didn't ask for a prediction he asked if Frederick was worth a first round pick and I gave an opinion. Any knowledgeable football fan could tell the OP started this thread based on Frederick's preseason play sorry it had to be spelled out for you. Any knowledgable fan or expert is going to tell you it's way too soon to tell whether he was worth a #1 pick. I knew nothing about Frederick the day the Cowboys drafted him. Once I see him play in the regular season against starting players I'll be happy to make a prediction on his future. When I make predictions you can take them to the bank but if you're looking for me to throw crap at the wall after only 2 preseason games to see if it sticks forget it.

If you think the premise is premature, then don't respond. I think it's pretty weak to not offer a substantial response and then criticize others for how they presented their thoughts.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

If you think the premise is premature, then don't respond. I think it's pretty weak to not offer a substantial response and then criticize others for how they presented their thoughts.

Any response given up to this point isn't going to have any substance to it because we have no real body of work to base any decision on yet.

 

[mrmojo]

I like what i see so far from him at center, where i think he should remain. So, so far he is proving himself but it is still to early to tell, ask me the same question at mid-season. But i am impressed so far......

 

[5Stars]

If you think the premise is premature, then don't respond. I think it's pretty weak to not offer a substantial response and then criticize others for how they presented their thoughts.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But as FANS, it's not a nice thing to be happy about anything about the team until they don't make the playoffs, then it was "look at me, I told you so!"

smh

 

[5Stars]

Any response given up to this point isn't going to have any substance to it because we have no real body of work to base any decision on yet.

That may be true, but getting excited about a player is nothing to get all butt hurt about.

 

[5Stars]

I like what i see so far from him at center, where i think he should remain. So, so far he is proving himself but it is still to early to tell, ask me the same question at mid-season. But i am impressed so far......

For a rookie at this early stage, playing a position as important as center is, and from what us FANS have seen so far, why can't someone be excited?

It's not always that a rook can come in and play that position as well as he has, even if it is preseason.