Washington is great example how quickly Cowboys could turn it around

[KJJ]

Daniels has had an impact. Not made all the difference. The Commanders did sign some free agents.

Austin Ekeler, RB
Bobby Wagner, LB
Marcus Mariota, QB
Zach Ertz, TE
Dante Fowler Jr., DE
Frankie Luvu, LB
Tyler Biadasz, C
Cornelius Lucas, OT
Efe Obada, DE
Jeremy Chinn, S
Dorance Armstrong, DE
Clelin Ferrell, DE
Michael Davis, CB
Jeremy Reaves, S
Brandon McManus, K
Anthony Pittman, LB
Nick Allegretti, OG
Noah Igbinoghene, CB
Jamison Crowder, WR
James Pierre, CB
Olamide Zaccheaus, WR
Tyler Ott, LS
Michael Deiter, C
Jeremy McNichols, RB
Jeff Driskel, QB
Mykal Walker, LB

They signed some of the Cowboys free agents. No one really stands out except for Bobby Wagner and he’s not what he was. I’m not saying these players didn’t help, but the main difference has been Daniels. He’s taken them to another level.

 

[KJJ]

it also takes a bit of Luck. Detroit scored enough to win the game. they had way too many injuries on defense and became vunerable. and with respect to his win against tampa, keep in mind, Rush and lowly cowboys almost beat them too.

and Daniels is good, but I still don't think they could have done it if Snyder was in charge. he and Jerry somehow screw everything up. bad things happen to bad owners. regardless of who they got on the team. I mean jaguars had Lawrence, but the owner and franchise is so bad, that he can't over come the dysfunction. would Snyder hire the right coach? and bring in the right personnel to help Daniels? not sure if that would have happened. its not a surprise. I mean at one point they had LG3, who is similar to Daniels.....and they failed with him. destroyed his career.

Daniel Snyder hired a lot of coaches. He even brought back Joe Gibbs for a while. He hired Ron Rivera who led Carolina to a Super Bowl because he had a QB. The beginning of the end for Rivera in Carolina was Cam Newton declining. Rivera was able to win when he had a QB playing at an MVP level. The same with Dan Quinn in Atlanta. When Matt Ryan played at an MVP level, Quinn reached the Super Bowl. When Matt Ryan declined, that was the end for Quinn. A teams success all starts with their QB. Nothing can turn a franchise around like a great young QB.

 

[offlimits]

You need a QB and this league today... you need a mobile QB. Draft one. Dak is NOT the answer.

 

[LysleE]

All that is needed is a new GM, HC and QB; a few quality FAs and a successful draft to turn things around; sadly for us fans, Jerry appears to be from the deeper end of the gene pool…probably that Johnny Walker Blue keeping him upright…

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Daniel Snyder hired a lot of coaches. He even brought back Joe Gibbs for a while. He hired Ron Rivera who led Carolina to a Super Bowl because he had a QB. The beginning of the end for Rivera in Carolina was Cam Newton declining. Rivera was able to win when he had a QB playing at an MVP level. The same with Dan Quinn in Atlanta. When Matt Ryan played at an MVP level, Quinn reached the Super Bowl. When Matt Ryan declined, that was the end for Quinn. A teams success all starts with their QB. Nothing can turn a franchise around like a great young QB.

the time had come and passed Gibbs. he tried to implement same thing he had done before and it was a disaster. Snyder did it as a publicity, because fans wer unhappy. I think Rivera was not a good hire. he got fired and ended up in DC and ther was a lot, I mean an lot of office politics and lots of issues with front office and GM, etc. it was a disaster. I lived in DC area at the time and thus the sports scene was dominated by "Commanders". and that's part of the cultural issues when the organization is not aligned from top to bottom. when focus is not where it needs to be.

and Matt Ryan had other coaches and it didn't work out. Quinn joined, changed the culture of the team, and built a great defense to go along with Ryan. Ryan played great for a very short period, no one ever said he is elite. he was good. needed right team and right coaching around him.

again, as I have said over and over, there is not a single factor that will account for complete success as you have tried to say, its daniels and daniels only for their success. its coaches, team chemistry, culture, ownership, GM, the supporting players etc. that come together to build a successful team. would mahomes be able to overcome the Jerry Jones dysfunction. maybe a little. half of those 4th quarter comebacks would turn into missed opportunities, so he wouldn't see the level of success here as has seen in KC. he is talented. generational. but I don't think he would get dallas over the hump, because the organization isn't and has not been focused on football. everyone says that. neither was Washington under Snyder, like I said, I lived in the area, and it was constant discussion among Commanders.

and for them the perfect storm. new ownership, new coaches, new players, and luckily a new QB and it all fell in place.

 

[KJJ]

the time had come and passed Gibbs. he tried to implement same thing he had done before and it was a disaster. Snyder did it as a publicity, because fans wer unhappy. I think Rivera was not a good hire. he got fired and ended up in DC and ther was a lot, I mean an lot of office politics and lots of issues with front office and GM, etc. it was a disaster. I lived in DC area at the time and thus the sports scene was dominated by "Commanders". and that's part of the cultural issues when the organization is not aligned from top to bottom. when focus is not where it needs to be.

and Matt Ryan had other coaches and it didn't work out. Quinn joined, changed the culture of the team, and built a great defense to go along with Ryan. Ryan played great for a very short period, no one ever said he is elite. he was good. needed right team and right coaching around him.

again, as I have said over and over, there is not a single factor that will account for complete success as you have tried to say, its daniels and daniels only for their success. its coaches, team chemistry, culture, ownership, GM, the supporting players etc. that come together to build a successful team. would mahomes be able to overcome the Jerry Jones dysfunction. maybe a little. half of those 4th quarter comebacks would turn into missed opportunities, so he wouldn't see the level of success here as has seen in KC. he is talented. generational. but I don't think he would get dallas over the hump, because the organization isn't and has not been focused on football. everyone says that. neither was Washington under Snyder, like I said, I lived in the area, and it was constant discussion among Commanders.

and for them the perfect storm. new ownership, new coaches, new players, and luckily a new QB and it all fell in place.

No offense, but didn’t bother reading all of that. You seem really dug in on this topic and want to turn it into a never ending marathon. I gave my opinion and you gave yours and we disagree. It’s not like we’re going to change each others mind.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

All it took was new ownership, new leadership in FO, coaching and of course insert of talent and top drafted QB.

Lions turned it around as well but it took a couple more years.

Washington’s turn around in one season is the new standard but exemplifies it can be done . But major changes are needed from the top down.

So you're saying all we need is a new owner, a new coach, a new GM, and just draft a pro bowl level/future league MVP level QB, and we'll be good to go?

Sounds pretty easy.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No offense, but didn’t bother reading all of that. You seem really dug in on this topic and want to turn it into a never ending marathon. I gave my opinion and you gave yours and we disagree. It’s not like we’re going to change each others mind.

I can say the exact same thing about you....you are dug in that all of the success is due to one thing and one player and nothing else mattered.

 

[KJJ]

I can say the exact same thing about you....you are dug in that all of the success is due to one thing and one player and nothing else mattered.

I never said “all” their success was due to one player and that nothing else mattered. I said their QB is the “main” reason they’re in the NFC title game. Not once did I say he’s the only reason.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I never said “all” their success was due to one player and that nothing else mattered. I said their QB is the “main” reason they’re in the NFC title game. Not once did I say he’s the only reason.

and I said as much.....would they have won 12 games this year and be in NFCCG if snyder was the owner and same organization and culture? you said, yes they would....which essentially means, Daniels was the only reason.

 

[KJJ]

and I said as much.....would they have won 12 games this year and be in NFCCG if snyder was the owner and same organization and culture? you said, yes they would....which essentially means, Daniels was the only reason.

It doesn’t essentially mean Daniels was the only reason, it means he was the main reason, which is what I’ve said all along. No team wins solely because of one player. You need a complete team to win but big games in the playoffs almost always comes down to your QB.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It doesn’t essentially mean Daniels was the only reason, it means he was the main reason, which is what I’ve said all along. No teams wins solely because of one player. You need a complete team to win but big games almost always come down to your QB.

but that's not what you said or argued.

but if this is what you think, then you and I are in agreement. perhaps I put a little more emphasis on the rest than just one player...6 of this half a dozen of the other

 

[kuyyo_morro]

The division is going to get tough next few years when Philly and Washington fight for playoff spots and we fight for 3rd place in our division.

 

[KJJ]

but that's not what you said or argued.

That’s exactly what I’ve said and argued but you keep getting things twisted because you enjoy arguing. You claimed I said Daniels was the only reason they won 12 games and are in the NFC title game. I never said that.

 

[IceStar-D7]

The division is going to get tough next few years when Philly and Washington fight for playoff spots and we fight for 3rd place in our division.

Third? You're optimistic.....

 

[SuspectCorner]

It’s purely a subjective assessment. And I’m not a detractor or homer believing he’s in upper half of the league enough to have more success with a better team around him but better than half of the playoff QB’s this year appears to be a stretch so I thought I’d list them to take a closer look in no particular order.

Goff
Stafford
Love
Hurts
Daniels
Darnold
Baker
Mahomes
Allen
Jackson
Wilson
Herbert
Nix
Stroud

I’d say there are maybe a handful I’d rather have than Dak. And that’s being generous.

Now I’d rather have Dak than half of the league which includes all of the teams who didn’t make the playoffs but not more than half in the playoffs.

And I’m not sure many would make that argument . I’d like to see the list of playoff QB’s you’d rather not have over Dak.

Goff. I’d probably take Dak over Goff. Probably. Maybe/probably? … Okay, probably.

 

[NeonNinja]

That can’t happen in Dallas because they don’t have a legitimate GM.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It’s hard to go from 4 wins to 12 wins in one season. Before this season Washington’s last playoff win was the Super Bowl in 1991. Their number one problem the past several decades has been at QB, which is why they burned six first round picks on QBs including three top three picks. They also went through several GM‘s and head coaches. Yes, I believe Daniel Snyder would be in the NFC title game if he was still owner with Daniels as his QB. No one is saying culture and organization doesn’t have an impact but in NFL football you can’t win without a solid QB situation. Despite having a great organization under Kraft, New England has struggled since Tom Brady left.

I never said “all” their success was due to one player and that nothing else mattered. I said their QB is the “main” reason they’re in the NFC title game. Not once did I say he’s the only reason.

essentially, Snyder would have made the NFCCG with Daniels. and thus no impact from bad leadership or organizational dysfunction.

but you contradict yourself, by saying, yeah it matters in the next sentence. so does it or does it not?

I am not arguing, you are spinning your words, wanting to give almost all of the credit to daniels but spin out of it with a contradictory statement.
they had 20 new players, brought in by new coaches. new coaches, given authority to do what's needed. alignment between FO and coaches, (was MM aligned with Jerry? seriously was he?).

thus if you think that's all it takes, would daniels have Cowboys in NFCCG this year?

 

[SuspectCorner]

We’ll start with the ones for whom there is simply no rational argument for taking over Dak at present:

Darnold
Baker
Wilson

Now that we’ve dispensed with those, here are the ones for whom Dak has been objectively better than by all or virtually all relevant statistical metrics for years but some will mindlessly try and argue for:

Goff
Herbert
Hurts
Stafford

That’s 7 already, which alone justifies my post as I said Dak is better than half the field.

But to further the point, of the remaining 7, 4 are players who haven’t done anything bough on the field yet to be called better than Dak but that who could absolutely be argued for on the basis of potential and trajectory:

Nix
Stroud
Daniels
Love

In other words, only 3 of the 14 QBs in this years field are clearly and inarguably better than Dak on the basis of production and efficiency in the league to date.

Nix, Stroud, Daniels and Love are young with hella upside. Prescott is what he is and will stradily (we hope) erode over the next several years. I wouldn’t trade either for Prescott straight up. JMO

 

[SuspectCorner]

Yep. But it starts at the top beginning with new ownership which hires the right people to make better decisions.

Hate to break it to you but there probably won’t be an ownership change within the next decade - so let’s concentrate on those areas that are within the realm of possibility. We can gnash our teeth and rend garments at our collective misfortune re the ownership thing and - in the end - all we’ll have are alot of dental work and a huge dry cleaning bill.