Washington wants C. Johnson

[Bach]

Bengals | Lewis says team will not trade C. Johnson
Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:27:04 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of The Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday, Feb. 13, that the team will not trade WR Chad Johnson. "No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said. "No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson, nor will he be traded." The Bengals would take an $8.03 million salary cap hit if they traded or released Johnson before June 1.

 

[iceberg]

Bengals | Lewis says team will not trade C. Johnson
Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:27:04 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of The Cincinnati Enquirer, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday, Feb. 13, that the team will not trade WR Chad Johnson. "No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said. "No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson, nor will he be traded." The Bengals would take an $8.03 million salary cap hit if they traded or released Johnson before June 1.

now if only this would kill the trade talk....

 

[AmishGangsta]

now if only this would kill the trade talk....

He could always buy out of his contract.

 

[iceberg]

He could always buy out of his contract.

anything to keep the silly floggings going, huh?

if cincy won't sell, he can't buy out.

 

[AmishGangsta]

anything to keep the silly floggings going, huh?

if cincy won't sell, he can't buy out.

Of course, we could always have a discussion about Chad Johnson staying in Cincinnati, but what fun would that be?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well I'm glad in the last hour you've been unable to come up with any proof supporting your claim. The next time you say something ridiculous, I'll be happy to point people to this thread to prove that you're full of it.

I didn't come up w/ anything, but superpunk relayed to me that I was mistaken, it was the San Fran fans who coined Lloyd, 40/60, so I was incorrect, although not that far off

still doesn't change the fact that Lloyd has always been an inconsistent **** who clashed w/ coaches, in San Fran, and in Washington, and trading a 1st and 3rd for him, and giving him a huge contract to boot, was a horrible decision that could have been spotted a mile away when you made it, which coincidentally, most of us Cowboy fans did

 

[silverbear]

The other huge part of this is that reportedly they are very interested in going after Lance Briggs in FA, as well. So do you REALLY think they're going to get enough money off the cap to have draft money and make the move for two big time players with a FA signing for Briggs and a trade for Johnson?

That's a ton of cash they're going to have to get off their books.

Don't get all excited by media reports about all these good free agents the Skins are supposed to have in their sights... we read the same thing last year, the Skins were after every name free agent out there, including Leonard Davis, they were gonna trade for Lance Briggs...

And when the smoke cleared, their two big free agent signings were aging but still good London Fletcher, and aging but mediocre Fred Smoot...

I think some Metro Mediot has a friend inside Commanders Park who gleefully reports about any player the Skins' brass has even talked about, and this "inside info" finds its way into print...

IOW, you're gonna read about all kinds of players the Skins are reportedly interested in, but I'd suggest you wait until they actually sign one or two of them before you get too excited... they had a better cap situation last offseason, and all they could manage was Fletcher and Smoot...

 

[silverbear]

Hasselbeck raved about Zorn at the Pro Bowl to Samuels and Cooley. So that's why I have some hope, at least!

Well, Zorn has been a quarterbacks coach in the NFL for ten years now, and until the Skins came along, nobody saw fit to even make him an offensive coordinator, let alone a head coach...

I don't seem to recall the Seahawks' passing attack being among the league's best, either...

Nope, I don't really see where the guy has the skins on the wall to deserve to be a head coach in the NFL... I strongly suspect that he's no more than a one year rent-a-coach, Danny Boy's way of stalling until he can make a serious run at Bill Cowher...

 

[silverbear]

This sounds to me like a lot of speculation. It goes to show how much the media actually knows -- they were reporting an offer to go to Fassel at any moment.

It seems to me that whenever a big-name is out there in FA, the Commanders are ALWAYS linked.

But like you I don't see how they are going to clear THAT much space. The Commanders are really good at manipulating the cap -- but I think that's excessive.

In fact, I don't want either of them!

How refreshing-- a Skins fan with some grasp of reality...

 

[Skinsmaniac]

still doesn't change the fact that Lloyd has always been an inconsistent **** who clashed w/ coaches, in San Fran, and in Washington, and trading a 1st and 3rd for him, and giving him a huge contract to boot, was a horrible decision that could have been spotted a mile away when you made it, which coincidentally, most of us Cowboy fans did

Well we can agree on that.

 

[apickmans]

I didn't come up w/ anything, but superpunk relayed to me that I was mistaken, it was the San Fran fans who coined Lloyd, 40/60, so I was incorrect, although not that far off

still doesn't change the fact that Lloyd has always been an inconsistent **** who clashed w/ coaches, in San Fran, and in Washington, and trading a 1st and 3rd for him, and giving him a huge contract to boot, was a horrible decision that could have been spotted a mile away when you made it, which coincidentally, most of us Cowboy fans did

we never gave up a 1st for lloyd

 

[Sonny#9]

Well, Zorn has been a quarterbacks coach in the NFL for ten years now, and until the Skins came along, nobody saw fit to even make him an offensive coordinator, let alone a head coach...

This is actually becoming a trend -- there were two other position coaches that made the jump this year: Harbaugh in Baltimore, and Sparano in Miami. Reid, Herm Edwards, Rod Marinelli, were all long-time position coaches w/o any coordinator experience. Guys like Mangini and Tomlin had only a year coordinator experience.

Garrett has three total years coaching experience -- and he's been dubbed the next Cowboys HC.

So this kind of move is not totally unheard of -- the process was another story. Given the choices at the time, I think Zorn was the correct move. He's also brought in the RB coach from Seattle who I like as well. So we'll see.

I don't seem to recall the Seahawks' passing attack being among the league's best, either...

They were 8th last year. I think they had a pretty good passing attack.

Nope, I don't really see where the guy has the skins on the wall to deserve to be a head coach in the NFL... I strongly suspect that he's no more than a one year rent-a-coach, Danny Boy's way of stalling until he can make a serious run at Bill Cowher...

Cowher is not coming here. Mark my words. And, honestly, Phillips is looked at the same way. He's just keeping the seat warm for Garrett. Am I wrong in saying that?

 

[firehawk350]

Salary Cap math isn't the same thing we learned in first grade. By trading CJ, the Bengals would be responsible for his entire signing bonus, and other guaranteed bonuses, while the Commanders would only be on the hook for his base salary. This is the major stumbling block to a trade because it's unlikely the Bengals would want to take such a major cap hit (I'm unsure if the entire remainder of the prorated signing bonus would be applied this year or spread out over two years).

After recently reworking three deals, Washington is currently anywhere between 12.3 and 16 million over the cap depending on the source. Converting Cooley's roster bonus into a signing bonus will save a further 9 million, and there are several other veterans with high base salaries that can be converted into signing bonuses. It won't be difficult for the Commanders to get about 10 mil under the cap, with part of that allocated to the rookie pool. Expect the Commanders to have the same kind of offseason as last year with one major signing and a couple of minor ones.

Cap #s are correct. We could be somewhere around 11M under when I worked the numbers a couple of months ago. More if we used a couple of June 1st exemptions. With that, we could actually make a couple of big-splash signings (not that I'm advocating that).

 

[Kilyin]

Bengals won't trade Ocho-Cinco

Posted: Thursday February 14, 2008 06:46AM ET

Chad Johnson will remain with the Bengals. In his strongest statements to date about the disgruntled wide receiver, Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday that the team will not trade Johnson and never has discussed it. "No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said in an interview with The Enquirer and the team Web site. "No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson, nor will he be traded.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/40077

 

[firehawk350]

I didn't come up w/ anything, but superpunk relayed to me that I was mistaken, it was the San Fran fans who coined Lloyd, 40/60, so I was incorrect, although not that far off

still doesn't change the fact that Lloyd has always been an inconsistent **** who clashed w/ coaches, in San Fran, and in Washington, and trading a 1st and 3rd for him, and giving him a huge contract to boot, was a horrible decision that could have been spotted a mile away when you made it, which coincidentally, most of us Cowboy fans did

Cowboy fans think that every move any other NFC East team makes is stupid. Of course you are going to be right a fair amount of the time (Lloyd), but I doubt you'll ever admit when you are wrong (bringing Smoot back was a good idea).

 

[AmishCowboy]

Cowboy fans think that every move any other NFC East team makes is stupid. Of course you are going to be right a fair amount of the time (Lloyd), but I doubt you'll ever admit when you are wrong (bringing Smoot back was a good idea).

No, Smoot is OK ,and you were lucky to have him with Rogers injury, just like Briggs would be a good move. The problem with the Commanders is they way overpay for Average players (Arch, Lloyd, Randle El).

 

[AmishCowboy]

BTW, It's the sameway at ES, I recall how stupid the Cowboys were signing Leonard Davis even though the Commanders had interest, all he did was make the Pro Bowl.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Cowboy fans think that every move any other NFC East team makes is stupid. Of course you are going to be right a fair amount of the time (Lloyd), but I doubt you'll ever admit when you are wrong (bringing Smoot back was a good idea).

we didn't say it was a bad idea, we just shot down your guy's typical overglorification of every signing the Commanders make

 

[Sonny#9]

Bengals won't trade Ocho-Cinco

Posted: Thursday February 14, 2008 06:46AM ET

Chad Johnson will remain with the Bengals. In his strongest statements to date about the disgruntled wide receiver, Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday that the team will not trade Johnson and never has discussed it. "No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said in an interview with The Enquirer and the team Web site. "No one within the Bengals organization has ever spoken of or ever uttered anything about trading Chad Johnson, nor will he be traded.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/40077

Thank ******* GOD!!

 

[silverbear]

This is actually becoming a trend -- there were two other position coaches that made the jump this year: Harbaugh in Baltimore, and Sparano in Miami. Reid, Herm Edwards, Rod Marinelli, were all long-time position coaches w/o any coordinator experience. Guys like Mangini and Tomlin had only a year coordinator experience.

And how many of them were position coaches for ten years??

Garrett has three total years coaching experience -- and he's been dubbed the next Cowboys HC.

Uhhh, no, he hasn't... except in the media...

They were 8th last year. I think they had a pretty good passing attack.

And they were 20th in 2006, 13th in 2005, 13th again in 2004... meaning over the last 4 years, their average passing offense rating has been 13th-14th...

Sounds pretty mediocre to me... in 7 seasons with the Seahawks, only once have they rated in the top 5 in passing offense (2002, when they ranked 3rd)... their average rating over that time was 13th, or about middle of the pack... they rated as low as 27th in that time, and only finished in the top 10 three out of the seven seasons...

Only in Danny Boy's fertile, fevered brain is Jim Zorn considered some kind of offensive guru... LOL...

Cowher is not coming here. Mark my words.

I'd be surprised if he wants to, but at the same time, I'm dead morally certain that the reason Snyder went with an outsider was in the hope that he could woo The
Chin next season...

And, honestly, Phillips is looked at the same way. He's just keeping the seat warm for Garrett. Am I wrong in saying that?

Yup-- if he wins a Super Bowl for Jerry...