Washington wants C. Johnson

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't wait to have lloyd off the team, but I don't believe his teammates ever called him that. Do you have a link?

advanced search is your friend

 

[Skinsmaniac]

advanced search is your friend

So what you're saying is you're full of it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So what you're saying is you're full of it.

no, but you can knock yourself out trying to prove me wrong, which you won't

you called me out, the onus is on you

 

[Skinsmaniac]

no, but you can knock yourself out trying to prove me wrong

you called me out, the onus is on you

You are the one that claimed his teammates called him 40/60 in San Fran. I call BS, not because he catches more than 40% of balls thrown his way, but because I doubt teammates would do that. You typically spout a lot of nonsense, I've called you out on it, and unless you come up with proof that people said that about him then I think it's fair to assume this 40/60 thing is something you made up.

Edit: and asking me to prove a negative is ridiculous.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You are the one that claimed his teammates called him 40/60 in San Fran. I call BS, not because he catches more than 40% of balls thrown his way, but because I doubt teammates would do that. You typically spout a lot of nonsense, I've called you out on it, and unless you come up with proof that people said that about him then I think it's fair to assume this 40/60 thing is something you made up.

Edit: and asking me to prove a negative is ridiculous.

you assume wrongly

 

[Skinsmaniac]

you assume wrongly

Well I'm glad in the last hour you've been unable to come up with any proof supporting your claim. The next time you say something ridiculous, I'll be happy to point people to this thread to prove that you're full of it.

 

[DCfaninDC]

Then why are you proclaiming that Cowboy fans don't want other NFCE teams to improve?

"I don't think it is secret that Dallas fans don't want other NFC East teams, especially the Skins, to have a better roster for next year" In other words, if you are a Cowboy fan, why call out other Cowboy fans?

What makes you so special from other Cowboy fans?

LOL!!!

LOL

I am not special, I think what I should have said is MOST Cowboys fans. I have said that before, here and else where. I only care about the Cowboys roster. I don't want to get into the business of hoping that other teams play bad for the Cowboys to get a win.

I just want the Cowboys to be a dominant team that beats the crap out of GREAT teams, plain and simple.

 

[Sonny#9]

good you have that.

now if only you had an owner, coach or staff worth a damn. THAT would give me some hope.

I think all but Williams on the defensive side of the ball was retained. The defense should be the same as last year, if not better, depending on FA and the draft.

Blache -- the DC -- has stated that the schemes will pretty much stay the same, and also is looking as a pass-rush DE as a top priority in the draft.

And I can't wait for Landry to develop -- I think he is going to be every bit as good as Taylor.

My problem with Fassel is one, he never scored points, ranking a high of 15th in the league. And two, he was wildly inconsistent year-to-year at the nadir of the NFC East -- what is he going to do with a division that has sent three teams to the playoffs the past two years?

I think the one thing about Zorn that I really like is what he did with Hasselbeck. Take a look at his numbers very early in his career:

1st year with Zorn: 13 games (12 starts) 176/321 54.8%, 2023 yards, 7 TD, 8 INT.

I also recall that year that many people were calling for Dilfer to start b/c he gave the team the better chance to win.

The 2nd year under Zorn: 16 games (10 starts): 267/419 63.7% 3075 yards 15 TD 10 INT.

The next year, he made the Pro Bowl -- not that the Pro Bowl in general is an accurate indication of who's actually good -- but I think for QBs it is a good measure.

As for the owner...well...I got nuthin' really, I can't possibly defend how he handled the coaching search. Or anything really other then bringing Gibbs back...

 

[khiladi]

1st year with Zorn: 13 games (12 starts) 176/321 54.8%, 2023 yards, 7 TD, 8 INT.

I also recall that year that many people were calling for Dilfer to start b/c he gave the team the better chance to win.

The 2nd year under Zorn: 16 games (10 starts): 267/419 63.7% 3075 yards 15 TD 10 INT.

How much is that a result of having Sean Alexander having career years and a pretty stout offensive line up front?

 

[Sonny#9]

How much is that a result of having Sean Alexander having career years and a pretty stout offensive line up front?

It's pretty interesting -- we'll use the two most common gauges for O-line performance -- rushing yards and sacks:

in Hasselbeck's 1st year:

Alexander 309 att, 1318 yards, 14 TDs, and surrendered 49 total sacks (Hasselbeck was sacked 38 times)

in Hasselbeck's 2nd year, Alexander had a worse year statistically, but the o-line gave up fewer sacks:

Alexander 295 att, 1175 yards, 16 TDs, and surrendered 33 total sacks (Hasselbeck was sacked 26 times)

in his 3rd year under Zorn (1st Pro Bowl year):

Alexander 325/1435/14, 43 sacks.

While it's certain Alexander helped -- an RB like that always helps, I don't think the line was particularly dominant, yet. '04 and '05 is really when they blew up.

 

[iceberg]

I think all but Williams on the defensive side of the ball was retained. The defense should be the same as last year, if not better, depending on FA and the draft.

Blache -- the DC -- has stated that the schemes will pretty much stay the same, and also is looking as a pass-rush DE as a top priority in the draft.

And I can't wait for Landry to develop -- I think he is going to be every bit as good as Taylor.

My problem with Fassel is one, he never scored points, ranking a high of 15th in the league. And two, he was wildly inconsistent year-to-year at the nadir of the NFC East -- what is he going to do with a division that has sent three teams to the playoffs the past two years?

I think the one thing about Zorn that I really like is what he did with Hasselbeck. Take a look at his numbers very early in his career:

1st year with Zorn: 13 games (12 starts) 176/321 54.8%, 2023 yards, 7 TD, 8 INT.

I also recall that year that many people were calling for Dilfer to start b/c he gave the team the better chance to win.

The 2nd year under Zorn: 16 games (10 starts): 267/419 63.7% 3075 yards 15 TD 10 INT.

The next year, he made the Pro Bowl -- not that the Pro Bowl in general is an accurate indication of who's actually good -- but I think for QBs it is a good measure.

As for the owner...well...I got nuthin' really, I can't possibly defend how he handled the coaching search. Or anything really other then bringing Gibbs back...

fair enough. i just think williams will be a bigger loss than you realize.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It's pretty interesting -- we'll use the two most common gauges for O-line performance -- rushing yards and sacks:

in Hasselbeck's 1st year:

Alexander 309 att, 1318 yards, 14 TDs, and surrendered 49 total sacks (Hasselbeck was sacked 38 times)

in Hasselbeck's 2nd year, Alexander had a worse year statistically, but the o-line gave up fewer sacks:

Alexander 295 att, 1175 yards, 16 TDs, and surrendered 33 total sacks (Hasselbeck was sacked 26 times)

in his 3rd year under Zorn (1st Pro Bowl year):

Alexander 325/1435/14, 43 sacks.

While it's certain Alexander helped -- an RB like that always helps, I don't think the line was particularly dominant, yet. '04 and '05 is really when they blew up.

Not to mention that I'll give a lot more credit to Mike for his grooming of QBs than I will Zorn.

Zorn is a nice guy but he's a nice guy in WAY over his head. He's going to have to do a lot of things, for the first time, ever all at once without having been eased up the charts. He went from a lifetime QB coach to a HC in about one months time.

The first year will be really rocky but, maybe, Zorn will get it turned around and going well for Washington after that. I'd like to see them remain competitive and do well only because it helps make our division tougher and helps get Dallas more playoff ready than it would to have weak teams in the division.

So, hopefully, they don't take too many steps back under Zorn.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The other huge part of this is that reportedly they are very interested in going after Lance Briggs in FA, as well. So do you REALLY think they're going to get enough money off the cap to have draft money and make the move for two big time players with a FA signing for Briggs and a trade for Johnson?

That's a ton of cash they're going to have to get off their books.

 

[Sonny#9]

Not to mention that I'll give a lot more credit to Mike for his grooming of QBs than I will Zorn.

Hasselbeck raved about Zorn at the Pro Bowl to Samuels and Cooley. So that's why I have some hope, at least!

Zorn is a nice guy but he's a nice guy in WAY over his head. He's going to have to do a lot of things, for the first time, ever all at once without having been eased up the charts. He went from a lifetime QB coach to a HC in about one months time.

Well, there are position-coach-turned-HC that have been successful: Reid (QB coach) and Edwards (DB coach), Marinelli did a solid job in Detroit this past year (they were in playoff contention at 6-2 for crying out loud!!) Additionally two more position coaches were hired this year, one of which you all are quite familiar with and Harbaugh in Baltimore.

Additionally Mangini and Tomlin each had one year coordinator experience. You guys are ready to hand the reigns over to Garrett with three TOTAL years coaching experience at any level.

It's a wait-and-see game.

The first year will be really rocky but, maybe, Zorn will get it turned around and going well for Washington after that. I'd like to see them remain competitive and do well only because it helps make our division tougher and helps get Dallas more playoff ready than it would to have weak teams in the division.

I have the same thoughts -- the skins will probably be .500 +/-1 this year. They need to get younger though, and Johnson is NOT the way to do that. I like the ultra-competitiveness in the NFC East now. The games mean something again. I love when Dallas and Washington square off with something to play for! Makes 'em nasty!

So, hopefully, they don't take too many steps back under Zorn.

You and me both!

 

[Sonny#9]

The other huge part of this is that reportedly they are very interested in going after Lance Briggs in FA, as well. So do you REALLY think they're going to get enough money off the cap to have draft money and make the move for two big time players with a FA signing for Briggs and a trade for Johnson?

That's a ton of cash they're going to have to get off their books.

This sounds to me like a lot of speculation. It goes to show how much the media actually knows -- they were reporting an offer to go to Fassel at any moment.

It seems to me that whenever a big-name is out there in FA, the Commanders are ALWAYS linked.

But like you I don't see how they are going to clear THAT much space. The Commanders are really good at manipulating the cap -- but I think that's excessive.

In fact, I don't want either of them!

 

[AmishCowboy]

Zorn may turn out to be a good coach, but will we ever know that with Snyder's Fingerprints everywhere?.

 

[Sonny#9]

Zorn may turn out to be a good coach, but will we ever know that with Snyder's Fingerprints everywhere?.

I wish I could answer that for you, I really do!

 

[AmishGangsta]

Can Wash afford Chad? They are already 20 mil (or something like that) over the cap.

Isnt Washington like $20 mill over the cap and Chad makes like $9 mill yr in Cinci?

If you do the math, dont they have to cut $29 mill BEFORE acquiring johnson? How in the world are they going to clear $30 mill, cut half the roster?

The Skins are currently $16 million over the cap -- the restructuring game has already started

They recently re-structured the contracts of 3 players (Randy Thomas, Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El), saved about 7.3 mil in cap space. "They'll trim $9 million on Chris Cooley alone and will easily end up with room to chase other free agents."

I think they should get an Elite receiver, I'm just not sure the right guy is Chad Johnson -- especially if you have to give up a first and a 3rd, or 2 second rounders to get him. If they don't get chad, I think they'll go after someone like DJ Hackett from the Seahawks.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

The Skins are currently $16 million over the cap -- the restructuring game has already started

They recently re-structured the contracts of 3 players (Randy Thomas, Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El), saved about 7.3 mil in cap space. "They'll trim $9 million on Chris Cooley alone and will easily end up with room to chase other free agents."

I think they should get an Elite receiver, I'm just not sure the right guy is Chad Johnson -- especially if you have to give up a first and a 3rd, or 2 second rounders to get him. If they don't get chad, I think they'll go after someone like DJ Hackett from the Seahawks.

I pretty much agree. If the Skins can get Johnson for less than a 1st rounder, then I would do it. But if not, I would rather use the first rounder on some D-line help because this year's class seems to be pretty deep there. And I expect the Bengals wouldn't trade Johnson for any less than a first rounder, so I'm holding my breath and hoping Snyder doesn't give the farm away.

 

[AmishGangsta]

I pretty much agree. If the Skins can get Johnson for less than a 1st rounder, then I would do it. But if not, I would rather use the first rounder on some D-line help because this year's class seems to be pretty deep there. And I expect the Bengals wouldn't trade Johnson for any less than a first rounder, so I'm holding my breath and hoping Snyder doesn't give the farm away.

Yeah, but that's not going to happen The Skins are an aggressive team -- sometimes too aggressive. If they're really interested in CJ -- and this is not just media speculation, like everything else -- they'll outbid everyone and give up the farm to get him.