We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

Hadenough

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You people will listen to me one day! I've got a better eye for talent than most of the people on this board. I even have a better eye than the expert Jerry. Dak is a middle of the road Kirk Cousin type QB who plays awful in the biggest moments. I saw this coming and nobody wanted to listen. I hope you Dak lovers enjoyed watching that failure Sunday night and FINALLY the world sees Dak as the sole reason they lost that game. You can't blame the defense anymore.
 

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Yes I’d think we could win. The pick on 2nd and 2 might have been the game. Dak was a deer in the headlights all game.
Didnt you just say that people who thought we could win against the niners were a minority? Now your saying we can beat them with only Zeke?

Cmon, give me a break. This was a very tall task. With Zeke only its near impossible. Niners make most QB's look like a deer in headlights.
 

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Build to win for the next year or 2 while Dak is here and draft a QB or 2 in the process to develop. We can add pieces - it will just take some cap creativity and potential reallocation if resources.

It could be much, much, much worse.
 

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Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.
As opposed to the HELL with Jerry and Stephen!
 

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I am talking about signing an extension, not cutting him.

The Cowboys should absolutely sign him to an extension until that 2024 season. See how he fares in 2023 and part of 2024. Then make a decision.
Oh ok .....agree 100% but only with a new OC IMO. We need to know if another OC and/or system can get a little more out of him. If we see the same results after 2024.......cut the cord.

BTW........you think he will accept only a one-year extension of more guaranteed money? I'm thinking if it's extended it will be 3 or more years to 2027.

Otherwise, it seems the only other way is to eat the $49M cap next season and move on.
 

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And if someone told you that Pollard would get hurt in the first half and all we would have was Zeke, would you think we could win?

I guess you missed the bucs game? 300 yards and 5 TD's. Bucs got Dak'd. Cowboys got Zeke'd in SF.
Problem is when you actually watch the game, even with Pollard out, we had chances to win that game but the QB failed. I mean he literally threw a god awful pick on the very next play costing us points.

It's almost embarrassing at this point watching you just spit out random **** to prop up Dak.

He cost us that game. It's just that simple.
 

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Some here seem to have forgotten he threw two interceptions against SF. He has proven he's good enough to make the first round of the playoffs and that's it.

My solution is to start drafting a QB in every draft. Sit Dak and force him to demand a trade. Otherwise, many more years of this nonsense
 

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Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.
Quite correct, but what you mustn't do is accept the status quo. Competition has to be brought in either via free agency or the draft. The Howell guy Washington drafted would have been a good start. We should have prioritised this over the TE position in last year's draft.
 

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I don't see any way to move on from Dak until after 2024, and that is only if the Cap Wiz for the Cowboys tops restructuring his contract. They can win with Dak if they smarten up and build the team from inside out instead of through jersey sales projections.
 

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Problem is when you actually watch the game, even with Pollard out, we had chances to win that game but the QB failed.

It's almost embarrassing at this point watching you just spit out random **** to prop up Dak.

He cost us that game. It's just that simple.
Yah, when was that? Was that when Zeke picked up a total of 2 yards on 5 touches over 2 drives and two punts? Featuring two dropped passes by the great Zeke?

Whos propping up Dak? LOL

Sorry buddy score was tied 9-9 in the 3rd quarter with the two picks in the past. This game came down to the 4th quarter.
 

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Purdy was better than Dak last Sunday, that is accurate. Dak is not better than Brady, but Brady is on a horrible team.





Another childish response. How old are you?
Purdy is not going to be the long term solution for the 49ers at QB and would have probably fared worse than Dak if he was on the Cowboys. Kyle hits his knees every night thanking the man upstairs for delivering the gift that is Purdy.
 

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Purdy was better than Dak last Sunday, that is accurate. Dak is not better than Brady, but Brady is on a horrible team.





Another childish response. How old are you?
Ah, so your theory just got blow out of the water.

Ill tell you what..................just swap out McCafrey for Zeke on the teams and we win that game. Purdy did diddly. And he had two easy picks dropped.
 

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You people will listen to me one day! I've got a better eye for talent than most of the people on this board. I even have a better eye than the expert Jerry. Dak is a middle of the road Kirk Cousin type QB who plays awful in the biggest moments. I saw this coming and nobody wanted to listen. I hope you Dak lovers enjoyed watching that failure Sunday night and FINALLY the world sees Dak as the sole reason they lost that game. You can't blame the defense anymore.
Here here preach it
 

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Which makes it easier to trade or release him after the 2023 season. Frankly because of that fact, they should be drafting a QB in the first three rounds in THIS draft.
This is what you and I would do.......I have no problem drafting in the 2nd or 3rd round. Let him sit behind Dak a year.
 

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Plenty of NFL QBs would have survived as long as Dak in the same situation, especially with the all-pro OL line at every position and RG. Dak has been very fortunate Dallas was willing to invest so many time and resources as well as stability to try and see the Dak project through. If he ended up as a 1st round pick on a scrub team, fans would have been calling for his head by year 2. Dak is a mental midget as a QB and if he was thrown to the wolves, he possesses none of the attributes of a QB to overcome the weaknesses. He reads the field way too slow and if he faces pressure, the drop off in his play is that dramatic. For years, he was among the worst staring QBs in QBR drop off from first to second read.
 

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It sucks to realize this about myself but I no longer believe in Dak. Need to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds.
 

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so your theory just got blow out of the water.
And what theory would that be? It's not like Dak had one bad game. I have tried to stick with Dak, tried to have faith in him, but no more. You need to wake up to the reality and quit acting like you are the smartest kid in class, because your not.
 

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Yah, when was that? Was that when Zeke picked up a total of 2 yards on 5 touches over 2 drives and two punts? Featuring two dropped passes by the great Zeke?

Whos propping up Dak? LOL

Sorry buddy score was tied 9-9 in the 3rd quarter with the two picks in the past. This game came down to the 4th quarter.

Again, on the very next play after Pollard got hurt........... HE THREW A TERRIBLE INTERCEPTION deep in San Fran's territory. He literally cost us 3 or 7 points there (it could have been a 10 point swing as his turnover led to the 49ers getting a FG before the half).

And then when you look at his play in the 2nd half, he was woeful and it had nothing to do with Elliott. Was it Elliott's fault that he freaking threw a pass 4 yards behind Gallup when Gallup was wide open on a deep in route?

The QB failed. Anyone who suggests otherwise is being ridiculous at this point.
 

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Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.
Disagree, as I am sure you expected.

We are not in purgatory contract wise. We will renegotiate and convert money this offseason and free up as much as they want to.

I believe they will also be aggressive this year to add a difference maker or two.

There are so many things we can do to improve our team to get us over the hump, we just have to do them. Here are a few reasons why we are not a finished product:

1. We are a young team and now that youth has a bunch of playoff experience. That matters but it also points to internal progression. This isn't the Rams who mortgaged their future to get a title. Sure they got it but at what cost? This is why we were able to jettison underperformers and actually get better last year. This is the philosophy of the team.

2. Cut Zeke. Love the guy but he is like a weight around our neck, particularly late in the season. The profound negative impact of 2 yards and a cloud of dust or fielding a pass and falling down cannot be underestimated. Put in a young stud RB with this line and we are going to be that much more dangerous and Dak that much more effective.

3. Need more playmakers on offense. This is obvious to me. Been saying it for a few years now. We don't scare anyone. Need to add playmaking threats to our offense.

4. Kellen Moore has to go. Sorry, he has had some success but this has run its course. It is time for a new offensive philosophy. My personal favorite is to have McCarthy implement his proven west coast offense and have one of his guys run the offense ala KC.

5. Finally grabbing a DT or two that can make a real difference. Heard Will McClay say on Brad Sham's show yesterday he would love to sign Daron Payne. Was surprised to hear him say that but he also couched it with "if it works financially" lol


As i said, I think this is the year we open the purse a little and try and get this team over the SF hump.
 
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