We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

[Sydla]

Who is making excuses for Dak? Again, your inability to talk about anything other than Dak's performance shows your agenda.

LOL. You are making excuses for him. We shouldn't expect a QB to play even decently against the 49ers. Their defense is so legendary that expecting Dak to not play better than he did is unrealistic (you literally made this argument in another thread).

Pollard getting hurt cost us the game. Zeke wasn't good enough. I mean you've literally spent the last two days pointing out all these "issues" that you seem to think were as vital to our play as Dak's complete choke job. You are being disingenuous acting like you aren't trying to make excuses for Dak.

Dak was the single biggest reason we lost on Sunday. So of course he's going to talked about more. Sure, Diggs could have been more physical. Yes, Barr got picked on. Schultz had a couple of really questionable moves. We had some dumb penalties. Maher's bizarre yips with XPs.

But at the end of the day, if the QB plays just a decent game, we probably win. If the QB doesn't throw two awful picks, we probably win. If the QB isn't throwing balls 4 yards behind WRs when he has a chance to make a big play, we probably win. Instead, he played a putrid game making mistakes that had nothing to do with what players were around him or a call the coach made, etc. He failed mostly on his own.

 

[Haimerej]

Based on your immature responses I'm sure I have been watching football longer than you have been alive. I see no reason to try to attempt any further discussion with you.

You can sum up Roy pretty easily- hates Zeke, excuses Dak, and if you disagree with any of his opinions, you "don't know football."

That's why I like to remind him that just prior to the 2020 season he was saying Dallas had one of the best front 7's in the NFL. Yes, 2020, the year they were historically bad with Mike Nolan. He made that declaration after they signed Poe and Aldon Smith and was crowing that they were contenders.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Pollard getting hurt cost us the game. Zeke wasn't good enough

I'm not so sure of that, and this isn't a defense of Zeke, I'm all for letting him walk, but the run game just hasn't been very good good of late with either Pollard or Zeke in, though Pollard was averaging more yards than Zeke. I think our run blocking schemes were a big problem.

Plus, the Niners D is number one against the run if I'm not mistaken? It's their pass defense that's bad, very bad, and is what a competent QB would have stepped up and taken advantage of.

 

[Zman5]

We can win with Dak while we look for his replacement. It's not as hard as people think. Why was Zeke drafted with a 4th overall pick? To help Romo win a SB. The Jones finally realized Romo couldn't do it alone, so they went and got Zeek with the 4th pick. Dak needs the same help. Jimmy Johnson has been saying this for a while now. This is what he's said.

“His No. 1 strength is he is a great leader for that football team,” Johnson said this week on Fox Sports’ The Herd. “He can win you a championship if you got really good players around him. They’ve had some injuries with the running game. They’re not running the football as well they did before Dak got injured. When they’re running the football, those play-action passes, Dak is really good. … But when he’s got to drop back and start reading the whole field and make decisions about where he’s throwing the football, and the defense isn’t slowing down for the run … he’s not near as good. He can win you a championship, but you better get the running game back.”

I'm not suggesting we spend a high pick to get a RB but we need to stop trotting out Zeke like he's still the starter caliber RB. Just build the OL up and get some fresh RB that can be a threat to the defense. Also get an OC that wants to run and is committed to it. That is the easiest way to win a SB with the current situation.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

You can sum up Roy pretty easily- hates Zeke, excuses Dak, and if you disagree with any of his opinions, you "don't know football."

That's why I like to remind him that just prior to the 2020 season he was saying Dallas had one of the best front 7's in the NFL. Yes, 2020, the year they were historically bad with Mike Nolan. He made that declaration after they signed Poe and Aldon Smith and was crowing that they were contenders.

I put him on ignore, he's a child.

 

[nightrain]

That's a matter of opinion, we have no idea what his future holds. But I never said Purdy is the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. I said he played better than Dak last Sunday and that's the cold hard fact.

We all got em'.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I'm not so sure of that, and this isn't a defense of Zeke, I'm all for letting him walk, but the run game just hasn't been very good good of late with either Pollard or Zeke in, though Pollard was averaging more yards than Zeke. I think our run blocking schemes were a big problem.

Plus, the Niners D is number one against the run if I'm not mistaken? It's their pass defense that's bad, very bad, and is what a competent QB would have stepped up and taken advantage of.

Bracket Lamb, tackle Shultz, laugh at gallup and Zeke...lets be honest once Pollard left the game this was the D scheme. NO DOUBT DAK PLAYED HORRIBLE but thats a sad truth to how the D looked at it.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

.lets be honest once Pollard left the game this was the D scheme

OK, but I don't remember the running game doing much before Pollard went out, but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[CowboyFrog]

OK, but I don't remember the running game doing much before Pollard went out, but maybe I'm wrong.

Wasnt great but its still something the D has to cover, Pollard draws attention for both run and pass. He was averaging almost 4 ypc but had only 6 rushes. Again I'm by no means saying we win, I am however saying the weapons we had on the field after probably one of the easiest assigments that D has had all year.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Wasnt great but its still something the D has to cover, Pollard draws attention for both run and pass

True, but that bad pass defense the Niners have should have been pretty easy to take advantage of with or without Pollard.

 

[bigE79]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

In hindsight,I now wish we didn't go 4-1 with cooper rush,just to avoid the embarrassment of dak choking again in the biggest game of his career,just like last year.

 

[CowboyFrog]

True, but that bad pass defense the Niners have should have been pretty easy to take advantage of with or without Pollard.

for sure but we all watched as they literally bracketed Lamb and sat on everyone else even with bad secondary, Dak didnt help at all, but 10 yard curls across the board didnt really have the #1 D in the league stressing out.

KM with an evil grin"Watch this Im going to send Noah Brown on a 10 yard curl, this will be great!"

 

[CowboyRoy]

Can you explain how Dak made a mockery of us when he didn’t start 5 games and still led the league in interceptions. Serious question.

Well considering most of you thought he was either backup material, a bus driver, or average and not franchise material I would say Dak is way ahead of the game.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not so sure of that, and this isn't a defense of Zeke, I'm all for letting him walk, but the run game just hasn't been very good good of late with either Pollard or Zeke in, though Pollard was averaging more yards than Zeke. I think our run blocking schemes were a big problem.

Plus, the Niners D is number one against the run if I'm not mistaken? It's their pass defense that's bad, very bad, and is what a competent QB would have stepped up and taken advantage of.

I am just stating the excuses CowboyRoy is using to try to shift responsibility away from from Dak.

 

[Cmac]

....but we been in football purgatory for years before Dak too. Excuses, immunity to the wrong people, false hopes, losing 3 consecutive Divisons games, involving each Division opponent, to just get to the playoffs or go home, losing home playoff games, losing due to self-inflictions. making quesitonable player transactions/decisions.....we been there. We are under the curse from the Jimmy firing, Posters!!!! We are!

And now, the onslaught is on Dak, unlike any other situation before. Tony Romo didn't get maligned like THIS, ever. Not like this.

And we know Dak went into an uncharacteristic play for a starting QB. We went thorough ups & downs with the offense, as we've done with the defense before. We been slashed and gashed like no other (pre-Quinn), we've masked with scoring.....and we got a new one in the fold......a kicker losing it.

Calm down people.......now let's see if the Franchise will do something about it. So far, we have a cheapshot move with the official Twitter account to start with (not good). And yes, it's alright to critique the players performance from a fan's perspective....so Dak gets manhandled here, so does Zeke, so does OL, so does Kellen Moore, so does WRs, so does the tackling efforts by Diggs, so does Bossman Fats, so does Turpin, so does Big Mike.

We already in football purgatory. Can't you see that and been there for a while.....not solely with the current team. Thanks Jerry.

 

[CowboyRoy]

LOL. You are making excuses for him. We shouldn't expect a QB to play even decently against the 49ers. Their defense is so legendary that expecting Dak to not play better than he did is unrealistic (you literally made this argument in another thread).

Pollard getting hurt cost us the game. Zeke wasn't good enough. I mean you've literally spent the last two days pointing out all these "issues" that you seem to think were as vital to our play as Dak's complete choke job. You are being disingenuous acting like you aren't trying to make excuses for Dak.

Dak was the single biggest reason we lost on Sunday. So of course he's going to talked about more. Sure, Diggs could have been more physical. Yes, Barr got picked on. Schultz had a couple of really questionable moves. We had some dumb penalties. Maher's bizarre yips with XPs.

But at the end of the day, if the QB plays just a decent game, we probably win. If the QB doesn't throw two awful picks, we probably win. If the QB isn't throwing balls 4 yards behind WRs when he has a chance to make a big play, we probably win. Instead, he played a putrid game making mistakes that had nothing to do with what players were around him or a call the coach made, etc. He failed mostly on his own.

Nope, not making any. Niners are the best D in the business. If anyone was expecting some great offensive performance they were kidding themselves. I didnt expect Pollard to go for 150 either.

This was a team loss. Entire offense stumbled and the D blew it in the 4th quarter as well.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

for sure but we all watched as they literally bracketed Lamb and sat on everyone else even with bad secondary, Dak didnt help at all, but 10 yard curls across the board didnt really have the #1 D in the league stressing out.

KM with an evil grin"Watch this Im going to send Noah Brown on a 10 yard curl, this will be great!"

Correct again, but perhaps the plays were called to match the QB's ability? There were three attempts to stretch the pass D, CeeDee made a great catch on one and the other two were badly underthrown (to Brown and Cee Dee again) and the catch by CeeDee was underthrown as well. Deep accuracy is not an asset Dak possesses.

 

[Sydla]

Well considering most of you thought he was either backup material, a bus driver, or average and not franchise material I would say Dak is way ahead of the game.

I think no one here is surprised you didn't actually answer his question.

 

[Starstruck22]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

We are screwed.

 

[Sydla]

Nope, not making any. Niners are the best D in the business. If anyone was expecting some great offensive performance they were kidding themselves. I didnt expect Pollard to go for 150 either.

This was a team loss. Entire offense stumbled and the D blew it in the 4th quarter as well.

Few were expecting the Cowboys to drop 30+ on them like they had against weaker teams/defenses.

But yes, people expected their supposed "elite" QB and highest paid offensive player to not completely and utterly suck on Sunday.

And if you think that's an unrealistic expectation, you are just being foolish. Again, all he had to do was play "clean" football. Limit the bad mistakes and we probably would have won. He didn't limit the mistakes. Hence we lost. It's really that simple.

And again, saying the D blew it in the 4th shows how foolish you are being. The TD the 49ers scored in the fourth was on the first play of the quarter. It was a goal to go play. They literally held them to 3 points for 14 minutes and 50 seconds of the 4th Q. The D did more than enough to win. The QB failed them. Over and over and over and over. But we all know you are largely incapable of just saying, yeah, Dak screwed us big time on Sunday.