We are stuck in purgatory at this point with Dak

[CowboyRoy]

I think no one here is surprised you didn't actually answer his question.

Dak has had an entire career. Cherry pick all you want. Im sure you will talk about ONLY the niners game like you did all last year. LOL

No surprise there.

 

[CowboyFrog]

....but we been in football purgatory for years before Dak too. Excuses, immunity to the wrong people, false hopes, losing 3 consecutive Divisons games, involving each Division opponent, to just get to the playoffs or go home, losing home playoff games, losing due to self-inflictions. making quesitonable player transactions/decisions.....we been there. We are under the curse from the Jimmy firing, Posters!!!! We are!

And now, the onslaught is on Dak, unlike any other situation before. Tony Romo didn't get maligned like THIS, ever. Not like this.

And we know Dak went into an uncharacteristic play for a starting QB. We went thorough ups & downs with the offense, as we've done with the defense before. We been slashed and gashed like no other (pre-Quinn), we've masked with scoring.....and we got a new one in the fold......a kicker losing it.

Calm down people.......now let's see if the Franchise will do something about it. So far, we have a cheapshot move with the official Twitter account to start with (not good). And yes, it's alright to critique the players performance from a fan's perspective....so Dak gets manhandled here, so does Zeke, so does OL, so does Kellen Moore, so does WRs, so does the tackling efforts by Diggs, so does Bossman Fats, so does Turpin, so does Big Mike.

We already in football purgatory. Can't you see that and been there for a while.....not solely with the current team. Thanks Jerry.

You have some posters who have been waiting since the Buccs game to go all in and are probably happy they get to roast Dak, ooh well he did earn most of it with his play. You are correct on this though we are in OWNER PURGATORY and have been for 27 years... I still laugh as some say "Dont use so and so to lift Daks play up" as they "use it to lift past QB's up who have earie same playoff successes" to each his own i guess.

 

[xwalker]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

• Dak's career win rate is over 95% when:
  • Cowboys rush for over 100 yards and over 4.5 ypc.
  • Opponents rush for less then 140 yards.
• The win rate approached 100% if the criteria is added that the Cowboys have less penalties than the opponent.
• No need to add turnovers because those are lower when the above conditions are met.

 

[Gator88]

And now, the onslaught is on Dak, unlike any other situation before. Tony Romo didn't get maligned like THIS, ever. Not like this.

LOL if there are people that actually believe this.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

• Dak's career win rate is over 95% when:
  • Cowboys rush for over 100 yards and over 4.5 ypc.
  • Opponents rush for less then 140 yards.
• The win rate approached 100% if the criteria is added that the Cowboys have less penalties than the opponent.

That's because that makes up for Dak's deficiencies, which is what we are discussing here, how Dak just isn't good enough at QB. He went against a bad pass defense and still couldn't play well enough to win.

 

[Stash]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

Hence the reason for my Draft a Quarterback thread.

 

[KJJ]

As much as some fans can’t stand Dak and would like to see him immediately released he’s led us to the playoffs six times with a couple of playoff wins. He’s the only QB in franchise history to beat Tom Brady and he did it in a playoff game on the road. He has the same exact playoff record as Tony Romo and he did it in fewer years. Although he became inconsistent and INT prone this season, he’s helped lead us to back to back 12 win seasons. Despite having a 61-36 QB record, some knuckle heads would rather have QBs with losing QB records and fewer playoff appearances and wins. If you want to be stuck in purgatory, replace Dak with a veteran cast off who’s already failed with multiple teams.

Some of you may not have been around, but the Cowboys have already been there before and it was pure QB hell! The Cowboys are going to have to stick with Dak until they find someone better. We can’t just move on from him and start looking around. We have to have a QB in place who can get the job done or we’ll end up in worse shape sitting home for the playoffs every year. At least Dak gives us a chance but if it was up to some of the dopes here the Cowboys would be left with no chance. Those of you who think Cooper Rush is the answer don’t have a flipping clue!

 

[Sydla]

Who is making excuses for Dak?

LOL. In just the last hour, you said we lost because Pollard got hurt. You said Zeke wasn't good enough to get us a win. You said it was an entire team loss and that the offense, in total, stumbled. You said the defense failed the team in letting the 49ers score 10 points in the 4th Q.

That's excuse making for Dak. That's shifting blame to others away from Dak. The reality is to anyone who isn't firmly planted in Dak's rump is that Dak cost us the win. He played worse than just about every other Cowboy. Yeah, Zeke wasn't great. But Zeke doesn't have the ball in his hands every play, Dak does. Zeke didn't turn the ball over twice on dumb plays.

We lost because of Dak. It's hilarious you just can't admit what's patently obvious to just about anyone with a brain.

 

[Ken]

Restructuring doesn't get us out of purgatory. It just kicks more money into the future and makes it tougher to move on from him. Even in saving cap space restructuring, with all the guys that need to be signed, even on defense, there isn't going to be enough to go out in FA and just bring in a bunch of top level playmakers for him.

Dak isn't young. So the youth excuse is weird to me when he's the one who was making the mistakes in this last game. It wasn't our youth that betrayed us. It was the QB who played terribly and made some real backbreaking decisions in this game.

I agree with dumping Zeke. I've said for a year. Shoot I said we shouldn't have even resigned him. You don't pay big bucks for a TB. It almost always bites you in the butt.

I tend to agree with dumping Moore. Not because I think he's the problem but because they can't move on from Dak so your last ditch effort here to salvage him is try a new offensive system.

I wasn't saying Dak was young. I was saying our team will continue to get better around him.

I also have made the case that QBs actually do get better the longer they are in the position. It is a mastery phase that they get into and not just relying on their raw ability. Dak is in that phase and we have seen it at the highest level (Tampa/Philly) and we have seen it at the lowest (SF). Unlike most on here, I don't just throw it in the "he sucks" category but say, how can we get him over this hump?

This isn't any different than Philly in the early 90s. Aikman was getting his head handed to him by that defense until they finally we (not even Aikman, Buerlein) overcame them in late in the 91 season.

This is similar. 49ers are no joke, as Hurts and Philly will find out this week. I am so impressed with that team's construction, it is how I would ideally build a team if I could. Bunch of bad a's

On the "kicking the can down the road" slant that you have on this...I view it differently and so do the Cowboys. This is the plan and has always been the plan. You can win a Super Bowl with Dak, we just haven't done it yet. Short of an injury or a Wentz like fall from grace, this is the best approach to this player and contract.

 

[G2]

Yeah sure, through the filtered lens of fans who refuse to look at anything but the QB.
I use the Bills as a comparison often times because they're similar in some respects but a totally different conference, situation and franchise.
Cincinnati vs Buffalo - Cinn destroyed the Bills who didn't have any play makers step up in a huge game.
Same with Dallas vs. SF
Buffalo had an abysmal running game, running for only 63 yards, depending on Allen to throw them to victory. Which he didn't and was not good, turning the ball over and many bad throws.
Same with Dallas, Lamb played great. But then who else? Maybe Pollard, but he got hurt and then we ended up with a total of 70 yards rushing.
I'm comparing the TEAMS not just the QBs, I think we all agree Allen is a better individual QB than Dak, but the fact remains that it's more about the team.
Salary is a useless point unless we can trade. And, it ignores the cheap rookie contract where he was paid peanuts and they couldn't put a team to go deep.

That's not good enough to beat teams in the playoffs.
My point is, this is less about "Only Dak" and more about a balanced team. Dig deep and try to see a different perspective.
I also think that the 49ers defense is much better than I had thought. We'll see vs. Philly, but man they are tough!

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yeah sure, through the filtered lens of fans who refuse to look at anything but the QB.
I use the Bills as a comparison often times because they're similar in some respects but a totally different conference, situation and franchise.
Cincinnati vs Buffalo - Cinn destroyed the Bills who didn't have any play makers step up in a huge game.
Same with Dallas vs. SF
Buffalo had an abysmal running game, running for only 63 yards, depending on Allen to throw them to victory. Which he didn't and was not good, turning the ball over and many bad throws.
Same with Dallas, Lamb played great. But then who else? Maybe Pollard, but he got hurt and then we ended up with a total of 70 yards rushing.
I'm comparing the TEAMS not just the QBs, I think we all agree Allen is a better individual QB than Dak, but the fact remains that it's more about the team.
Salary is a useless point unless we can trade. And, it ignores the cheap rookie contract where he was paid peanuts and they couldn't put a team to go deep.

That's not good enough to beat teams in the playoffs.
My point is, this is less about "Only Dak" and more about a balanced team. Dig deep and try to see a different perspective.
I also think that the 49ers defense is much better than I had thought. We'll see vs. Philly, but man they are tough!

They are tough at the LOS our offense did nothing to get into thier secondary, the QB played bad it is what it is, but I'm sorry the cast of Lamb, Shultz, Noah Brown, Zeke is not going to make many good defense lose sleep at all. They bracketed Lamb tackled Shultz and laughed at Brown/Gallup and zeke..nothing left to do but whatch Dak implode which he continued to do thoughout the game, thts just the facts.

 

[fivetwos]

Dak COULD be good enough, but he has to be used correctly.

Jerry thinks he is Aaron Rodgers, who should carry a team because he is paid that way, and, like many other players, he overrates them. Develops relationships which affect judgment on players.

Now, his salary is a problem because he can’t compensate for a less talented roster by himself, but that’s just another problem that has to be overcome.

You’re getting 25 million worth of Parsons for rookie pay. That alone should offset the difference.

It’s really a simple matter of this team needing dominant defense and a strong running game, and MOST importantly, Prescott needs to be REELED in….and the damn owner needs to get over trying to want to justify the contract by beefing up passing stats.

Anyone else notice that the more that’s put on Prescotts shoulders the worse he performs?

I would absolutely try to at least pair him with a different OC for these next two seasons. Really, if nothing improves, how do they sell retaining him for years ten, eleven, etc….? That’s two years away.

 

[Steve007]

Despite the notion that I am a Dak hater who wanted him gone years ago, I've never thought he was a terrible QB or he needed to be shot to the sun. I think for some fans it's tough to admit he might not be the guy because deep down you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB. You wanted Dak to be the guy, frankly, we needed Dak to be the guy.

But as the seasons come and go, it becomes a little bit clearer he's unlikely to be a championship caliber QB. The alternative is trying to find that next guy. No, it's not Rush. No, it's not Grier. It's some kid slinging balls in college or even high school at this point. Frankly, it could take years to find that guy after Dak is no longer our QB.

And that just sucks. Accepting the reality that Dak is likely not the guy means that we may have to experience sheer pain in trying to find the next guy. We lucked out that Dak turned out to be as good as he was being a later round pick. That happens quite infrequently. It's not a recipe for success that we should follow. However, just picking QBs in the first and second rounds doesn't guarantee immediate success either.

Contract wise Dak is here for a few more years. But his contract largely precludes the Cowboys from going out and bringing in proven playmakers in FA to give Dak enough to get him closer to succeeding. The draft is a crap shoot, and despite our successes in drafting, we have some failures too.

All this just adds up to purgatory. We are stuck. Stuck between sucking and being elite. Stuck between not making the playoff and getting bounced before a champ game. Stuck between dominating the NFC East and finishing back in the pack. It just sucks.

Your right the cowboys are stuck. Dak is Not a championship quarterback. What they should have been doing is draft a quarterback in early rounds every year. Even though they are stuck with dak because of his contract they need to start drafting quarterbacks now. They also need coaches than can develope a quarterback. They can't be comfortable with rush. The need to look to the future.

 

[Cmac]

LOL if there are people that actually believe this.

Relax....no disrespect to any mancrushes.....I'm sorry if that seemed to be all you got out of my post.

 

[Steve007]

Anyone dissatisfied with Dak Prescott should begin considering the possibility of Jerry Jones retaining him AFTER his current contract expires. The hardest thing for some fans to accept is that their way of thinking is not necessary that of a team's front office. And in this case, Jerry Jones' mindset is often the polar opposite of fans'.

True. I expect Jerry to extend Daks contract this off season to spread his cap hit. I don't think that would be good because they are Not winning a superbowsl with dak.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Ah, so your theory just got blow out of the water.

Ill tell you what..................just swap out McCafrey for Zeke on the teams and we win that game. Purdy did diddly. And he had two easy picks dropped.

Dak had two more INT's dropped including a pick six.

How's it feel being a pair of brown shoes in a world of tuxedos?

 

[G2]

They are tough at the LOS our offense did nothing to get into thier secondary, the QB played bad it is what it is, but I'm sorry the cast of Lamb, Shultz, Noah Brown, Zeke is not going to make many good defense lose sleep at all. They bracketed Lamb tackled Shultz and laughed at Brown/Gallup and zeke..nothing left to do but whatch Dak implode which he continued to do thoughout the game, thts just the facts.

I agree, there's blame to go around. QB is the flashiest and the media is always in a frenzy for anything Dallas. To me that's lazy. We missed kicks, tackles, throws, reads, routes, and the play-calling is questionable.
Any reasonable person can see dak sucked and at the same time be honest about the other 50 players.
Lamb, Larence and some Pollard looked good. Everyone else should be analyzed fairly.

 

[Steve007]

Dak had two more INT's dropped including a pick six.

How's it feel being a pair of brown shoes in a world of tuxedos?

He also doesn't see wide open recievers that aren't on his first read.

 

[G2]

Dak had two more INT's dropped including a pick six.

How's it feel being a pair of brown shoes in a world of tuxedos?

Our defense dropped 3 INT opportunities. Are we now counting INTs that never happened?

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Dak had two more INT's dropped including a pick six.

That first INT would have been an easy pick 6 if not for Zeke being there to force him out.