We need to move Byron Jones back to corner

[KJJ]

He's a very good football player. He's one of the best man-to-man defenders in the league. He's not a great ball-hawk, but that's not his role. He does not play FS on obvious passing downs.

It seems like a lot of the people bashing Byron don't actually understand his role. We're not asking him to be Ed Reed and aren't playing him in an Ed Reed role.

You must be looking at a different player than me. His role is to make plays and make an impact and he hasn't done that. He looks like a lost puppy out there. He's part of what continues to make our defense average. We need to try and find an Ed Reed type, a real playmaker instead of continuing to put JAGS back there.

 

[ryanbabs]

Carr is talking retirement and Claiborne was horrid in that game.Put Jones back at corner.

We need to be fair here though: Claiborne just came back from a big injury and was solid before that. He just stays injured too much.

 

[KJJ]

We need to be fair here though: Claiborne just came back from a big injury and was solid before that. He just stays injured too much.

Mo definitely upped his game this season but he still plays not to get beat causing him to grab a lot. He gets called for a lot of holding calls and got away with one on Sunday that wasn't called. Every time he holds, he pulls his hands off the receiver after the ball misses it's mark and holds them up like he didn't grab when he did. He doesn't have great speed and plays off receivers which doesn't put him in position to pick off passes. In 5 seasons he only has 4 INT's. Although he played pretty solid this season he's still not real consistent and can't stay healthy. If we're going to improve the secondary we've got to come up with a "playmaker."

 

[xwalker]

Even then you're not 100% certain what his responsibilities are. At some point you have to trust the untrustable - the coaches.

Yes, Safety is the most misunderstood position position in football.

 

[xwalker]

I saw all 22 last year and Heath was good. I'm sure he's been even better this year with limited opportunities. Again, he should've had 2 interceptions and a sack against Aaron Rodgers. Let that sink in. Some of y'all don't want to admit that Heath just might know what he's doing back there.

I've always defended Heath even back to his rookie year when they had him trying to cover Megatron.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I've always defended Heath even back to his rookie year when they had him trying to cover Megatron.

Half of the posters want Heath off the team and the other half want him replacing Jones. He's probably where he needs to be, a nice depth piece. If Church and Wilcox aren't signed, he's probably starting out of necessity in 2017.

 

[Playmaker247]

I'd rather not use Jones to cover tight ends but more to be true FS.

 

[revospeed]

I don't think most people understand how zone coverage works. There's a reason the staff hasn't questioned Jones' position once.

Does the staff usually come out and talk about a player's missed assignment specifically?

And he might have been playing his zone perfectly, but he didn't have the football IQ to realize that there was no one in his zone and that the closest guy to him was open. Because of that, he gave up the biggest play of the game and cost his team. But hey, at least he did his assignment.

 

[xwalker]

It was ZONE coverage. Dave Campo confirmed it was the CB fault NOT Jones.

These people are complaining about Jones on a play that you can't really see without the All-22 view. They were complaining Sunday and Monday before the Coaches film was available.

 

[xwalker]

I'd rather not use Jones to cover tight ends but more to be true FS.

There is not a problem with Jones covering TEs. That play was zone coverage and fans don't really know the coverage responsibilities.

Having said that, it would be great to also have a Strong Safety that could cover TEs. It would give the coaches a lot more flexibility on how they implement the scheme.

 

[Chuck 54]

Wilcox and Heath at safety...Both hard hitters and both are much improved..Heath's second interception would have probably won the game for us if not for the horrible penalty on Brown.

Heath is showing great ball hawking awareness..that's what we need back there.

Jones should of deflected the damn ball on that last pass by Rodgers..what was he thinking there?[/QUOTE
Ridiculous....

• Jones played the deep patrol very well all season; that's where he belongs
• The problem is he can't cover 1-1 and was beaten down the stretch regularly by TE's, so you think he'll cover the best WRs 1-1?
• GB took us out of our 2 deep zone and really any zone by using 5 receivers most of the time. And no one on our team did a decent job covering their TE's.
• In addition to using 5 receivers, splitting out even the TE, they then burned us at the end by throwing to the RB who used to be a WR.

We need more CB's who can cover....2-3 won't do it against a team like GB that then works your safeties or makes you play zone. Our current defense was enough against most other teams, but a team like GB presents unique problems, just as Atlanta does.

 

[CowboyStar88]

You must be looking at a different player than me. His role is to make plays and make an impact and he hasn't done that. He looks like a lost puppy out there. He's part of what continues to make our defense average. We need to try and find an Ed Reed type, a real playmaker instead of continuing to put JAGS back there.

I am starting to think they are related

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That's great but you do that and Prescott and Brown are not members of this team. Pick your poison.

Why wouldn't they be on this team?

 

[ryanbabs]

Mo definitely upped his game this season but he still plays not to get beat causing him to grab a lot. He gets called for a lot of holding calls and got away with one on Sunday that wasn't called. Every time he holds, he pulls his hands off the receiver after the ball misses it's mark and holds them up like he didn't grab when he did. He doesn't have great speed and plays off receivers which doesn't put him in position to pick off passes. In 5 seasons he only has 4 INT's. Although he played pretty solid this season he's still not real consistent and can't stay healthy. If we're going to improve the secondary we've got to come up with a "playmaker."

Totally agree we need a playmaker...or playmakers on defense. We've got to turn the tide on this team not getting turnovers.

 

[skinsscalper]

Why wouldn't they be on this team?

Because once you make a move like that, the dynamic of your draft philosophy is altered. Call it the butterfly effect or whatever but the notion that the rest of your picks now fall exactly the same way after a move like that (even if those players are still available) is naive. You've also just altered the approach of every team that picks after you when you make a move like that. The player you traded up for just refocused the team that would have originally taken him to another position to another player and so on, and so on. Every pick/move made in the draft affects the rest of the draft for the entire NFL.

 

[Naruto]

It's the NFL, everyone gets paid to make plays!

Well except Byron Jones apparently because we don't play or pay him to make plays.

 

[Clove]

1st year playing Free Safety 2nd year in the league, Rome wasn't build in one day. You guys are so impatient, Jesus. The guy spent his first season splitting time between corner and safety, now he's expected to be All-Pro in one year? Calm the hell down, get a LARGE DT, and two edge rushers, and in year 2 or 3, you'll possibly see an all-star.

 

[lostar2009]

According to his own words post game he was "trying to maintain zone integrity". lol. There was nobody else in your area bro!?! Hellllllooooooo!!!!! It's that Cook guy who's been killling u all game....may want to go with HIM! Smh. Zone integrity my arse. He fell asleep cuz he didn't think AR would make that throw. He was wrong. Dead wrong.

I don't know what zone he was playing. Carr behind him look like he was playing man. If that was the case why in the heck he let him get so far out his zone? You see he was the one who tried to tackle him. I'm not surprise more isn't discuss on that play. I said it when I first saw the play, Jones sat too soft in coverage. Everyone else was playing a tighter coverage. I don't care about the spike, not running Zeke 30-40 times, the blown calls, who really excpets Rodgers to complete that pass in that situation and as a matter of fact how many times is that play completed when u drop 8 in coverage? If Jones don't sleep on his zone it forces overtime!

 

[KJJ]

Totally agree we need a playmaker...or playmakers on defense. We've got to turn the tide on this team not getting turnovers.

We don't create near enough turnovers because we don't have playmakers in the secondary and we don't have a strong pass rush. It's the same issues year after year despite DC changes and personnel changes. We come up with talent offensively but we keep missing on defense due to taking too many risks with some of our second round picks. Bruce Carter never panned out and neither did Gregory.

We just have to hope Smith turns out. We've got to start putting more resources into the defensive side of the ball and stop gambling so much. We've made smart, safe picks on the offensive side of the ball and it's paid off and we need to take the same approach on defense. We need to start by trying to build our DL like we did our OL and try and add at least one playmaker to the secondary. We can't keep throwing premium picks away on players with drug and injury issues.

 

[lostar2009]

I think Wilcox could be a good SS. He did well filling in for Church. Worth noting while he wasnt good in 2014, he did seem to have a knack for making plays. Heath could function well innthat dime safety Wilcox played this year

I think Heath would be better playing deep.