Week 2: Dak Stats vs NFL

[Irvin88_4life]

yes..
Over an two game stretch to begin a career, given the number of attempts.
The record for most consecutive passes to open a career is in range...for Dak and Wentz, actually.

Dak already has the record

 

[bayeslife]

And no touchdowns

We're on pace for 40 rushing Tds who cares

 

[DFWJC]

I cannot stress this enough but the TD to int ratio does not matter if he's leading the team down the field for a rushing TD. Does it matter if instead of a run up the middle he bootleg throws for a TD?

So 5 TDs and 20 ints is just fine compared to 20 Tds and 5 ints?
Or does it not matter only in certain specific situations?
Of course it matters. Just not as much over a small sample size.

If you aren't throwing for TDs--I'm not talking about this tiny 2 game sample size, but over the course of a season--the defense will not fear the pass nearly as much as the run and the run game will suffer.

 

[DFWJC]

Dak already has the record

Over a 2 game stretch only. Yes

Obviously, there a few that had no picks past 2 games but had fewer attempts. Even just this year, Wentz has 71 attempts and Dak 75 without a pick so far. But if, say, Dak throws a pick on attempt 85 and Wentz keeps going past 85 without a pick, then he passes him.
Moon had nearly 130 attempts without a pick to start his career for example. But was longer than 2 games to get there.

 

[DFWJC]

Dallas is only15th in scoring. That must improve and I think it will.

 

[bayeslife]

So 5 TDs and 20 ints is just fine compared to 20 Tds and 5 ints?
Or does it not matter only in certain specific situations?
Of course it matters. Just not as much over a small sample size.

If you aren't throwing for TDs--I'm not talking about this tiny 2 game sample size, but over the course of a season--the defense will not fear the pass nearly as much as the run and the run game will suffer.

If he is driving down the field and supplementing the passing Tds with rushing yes it literally does not matter.

 

[DFWJC]

If he is driving down the field and supplementing the passing Tds with rushing yes it literally does not matter.

Let's just say that we disagree that it doesn't matter if a QB has 5 TDs and 20 ints instead of 20 TDs and 5 ints.
I'd say the difference is enormous....and you would say it doesn't matter if the run game is clicking.
I say the run game clicks even more with the former.

agree to disagree

 

[RS12]

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-rating-in-red-zone/2016/

 

[bayeslife]

Let's just say that we disagree that it doesn't matter if a QB has 5 TDs and 20 ints instead of 20 TDs and 5 ints.
I'd say the difference is enormous....and you would say it doesn't matter if the run game is clicking.
I say the run game clicks even more with the former.

agree to disagree

Okay that's not even what I said I don't know where you pulled 20 interceptions from but that's not even part of the argument. Dak did not throw a TD this week but still led them to 27 points without a turnover. So who cares if he throws them or not?

 

[bark]

We're on pace for 40 rushing Tds who cares

Take it easy 187. I love me some dak.
Only pointing out how the sample size can't be extrapolated yet

 

[DFWJC]

Okay that's not even what I said I don't know where you pulled 20 interceptions from but that's not even part of the argument. Dak did not throw a TD this week but still led them to 27 points without a turnover. So who cares if he throws them or not?

I pulled it directly from my post

And I was talking about full season
also agreed to disagree...no big deal

As long as Dallas wins I'm happy...via ground or air.
We just disagree on TD/INT ratio being important. I say long term it is.

 

[Craig]

Let's just say that we disagree that it doesn't matter if a QB has 5 TDs and 20 ints instead of 20 TDs and 5 ints.
I'd say the difference is enormous....and you would say it doesn't matter if the run game is clicking.
I say the run game clicks even more with the former.

agree to disagree

What?

 

[DFWJC]

What?

meant to say latter, not former ...oops.
thanks for the catch.

 

[DFWJC]

Let's just say that we disagree that it doesn't matter if a QB has 5 TDs and 20 ints instead of 20 TDs and 5 ints.
I'd say the difference is enormous....and you would say it doesn't matter if the run game is clicking.
I say the run game clicks even more with the former. correction...meant to say latter..of course

agree to disagree

fifm

 

[percyhoward]

If this comes up, other things will start falling in place for the offense.

That was the average of the two games. His ypa almost doubled from the previous week.

game 1: 5.04 (30th)
game 2: 9.73 (5th)

 

[percyhoward]

We're on pace for 40 rushing Tds who cares

Oh it matters. The lack of passing TD is what's keeping this from being an elite offense.

Yards per drive 35.5 (10th)
Plays per drive 7.3 (2nd)
TOP per drive 3:38 (3rd)
Scoring pct 50% (3rd)
Turnover pct 5% (8th)
Punt pct 30% (7th)
TD pct 20% (19th)

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

the most impressive stat to me is the INTs.. for a rookie QB that is outstanding

Last guy to go that many throws as a rookie without one was Warren Moon and he had already played five years of pro football in Canada

 

[DFWJC]

Last guy to go that many throws as a rookie without one was Warren Moon and he had already played five years of pro football in Canada

Dak has 75 without a pick and Wentz has 71. Should be an interesting week three to see if either get's one.
Not that one pick is a big deal. A QB properly pressuring the defense will end up getting one now and then.... but it's a fun, borderline, irrelevant sideshow.

 

[JDSmith]

In ESPN's Total QB Rating Dak is currently 12th with a 76.3

If anyone is keeping track Wentz is currently 22nd with a 58.9

 

[percyhoward]

In ESPN's Total QB Rating Dak is currently 12th with a 76.3

If anyone is keeping track Wentz is currently 22nd with a 58.9

Total QBR is based on expected points added (more reward for success in more difficult situations), and Dak has been killing it on 3rd and long.

5 QB (and ties) with most attempts on 3rd and 7+

Prescott 13 of 15 149 yd 0 td 0 int 8 fd 108.1
Newton 8 of 12 136 yd 0 td 0 int 7 fd 104.9
Rodgers 8 of 12 152 yd 1 td 1 int 5 fd 102.8
Bortles 10 of 14 129 yd 1 td 1 int 2 fd 94.0
Gabbert 6 of 16 35 yd 1 td 0 int 3 fd 66.7
Wentz 5 of 12 58 yd 0 td 0 int 3 fd 56.9
Dalton 7 of 14 106 yd 0 td 1 int 2 fd 45.5
Luck 6 of 12 63 yd 0 td 1 int 4 fd 30.9

It must be said that Total QBR was not designed to correlate to wins, as it is purely an individual stat. For example, it will reward a 50-yard bomb more than a 10-yard dumpoff and 40-yard run after the catch, even though the team benefits equally from both plays.