Welcome to hell Cowboy fans and why I am worried about this week

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tyke1doe

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What's interesting to me about this game, at least from my perspective is, had we really needed this game and were in better shape of claiming the division, I would be more worried that we'd lose. Now that I think we're basically out of it, and I'm more concerned about getting a higher pick in the draft, I'm actually believe our chances are better that we win this game.
 

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Kap type contract that is easy to jettison. I am not worried about the money Kirk is going to get.

What if the Jets, Bills, Texans, or Browns decided to get in a bidding war? Quarterbacks with any hope are a rare commodity. That could drive the price WAY up.
 

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The Panthers are a damn good team.

The Cowboys aren't the Panthers. The Cowboys are a terrible team right now. The Commanders are a better team right now.

Which is why a Cowboys win wouldn't surprise me at all.

:huh:

That syllogism didn't exactly work.

If the Cowboys are a terrible team and the Commanders are a better team, then why wouldn't you be surprised if the Cowboys beat the Skins?

Maybe you explained it in your other post(s), but the logical flow of this post doesn't make sense.

You need to include another factor (rivalry, desperation) to explain why you wouldn't be surprised if the Cowboys win. if we are to follow your syllogism.
 

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The Cowboys aren't the Panthers. The Cowboys are a terrible team right now. The Commanders are a better team right now.

You are not big on thinking are you? (Rhetorical)

The Cowboys are 2 games behind the skins with 2 backup QBs. They haven't won a game yet. Two games behind.

What does that say about the skins? They are better with their STARTER?


The Cowboys aren't terrible. They just can't nothing right. Lol
 

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For some reason, I doubt we're going to look for a state of our team from a Commanders fan.

Your team is still God awful and you have absolutely zero chance to win anything but a historically bad NFC East.

PS - I haven't seen you guys around since the "Griffin is going to revolutionize offenses all around the league" days. Good times.

yeah amazing how he returned this week
 

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A big reason the Skins remain competitive right now is because of how awful the division is. The fact that the 3-8 Cowboys are still mathematically in contention speaks volumes about just how bad the division is. As far as QB's, while Cousins is playing somewhat better right now...just last season, he was benched in favor of Colt McCoy. RGIII of course had a great rookie season & then fell of the map. The Skins haven't yet escaped the flames when it comes to long-term QB stability/consistency.

It's also staggering to look across the league & see how many 4-7, 5-6, 6-5, etc. teams there are...and how many are still in contention for playoff spots.

The Boys/Skins rivalry is historically unpredictable regardless of records.

Though I know the OP was referencing QB purgatory...this whole season has been 'hell'. It's not simply losing Romo twice...though that's the biggest reason. It's also injuries to Dez, Scandrick, Dunbar, T. McClain, Claiborne, Gregory, Lee, etc. This team has had chances to win every game they've played with the exception of the Panthers and Pats games.

Unfortunately, it was Romo's turnovers that led to a big Panthers win...with Carolina's defense scoring 14 points via returning 2 of Tony's 3 Int's for TD's. The 3rd put the defense in a bind, but they held them to a FG. Carolina scored one (1) offensive TD. Cam wasn't the biggest reason they won...their defense was. Newton completed 16 passes for 183 yards & had 1 rushing TD vs. the Boys...but he did convert a couple of long distance 3rd downs. The Panthers defense was also dominant vs. the Skins, forcing 5 turnovers that led to 27 points. But in that game, Newton also threw 5 TD's to five different receivers in their 44-16 win.

Turnover differential has played a major role in the Boys losing. Last year they were among the better teams in terms of turnover differential...whereas this season they're dead last. The 4th quarter/OT defensive lapses have doomed them on a few occasions as well. It hasn't all been the player under center, though a healthy Romo all season means the Cowboys are very likely 'easily' winning the pathetic NFC Least...as he is able to help cover up some of the other deficiencies.

Lastly, even teams with good to great QB's have endured losing streaks. Prior to winning 15 straight going back to last season...the Panthers lost 6 or 7 straight with Newton. The Packers have lost 3 out of their last 4 with Rodgers. Atlanta started out 5-0, but has gone 1-5 in their last 6 games...all with Ryan as the helm. San Diego owns the same 3-8 record as the Cowboys, despite having Rivers for the entire season. The Saints are a train wreck despite having Brees for all but 1 game.
 

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Mark Brunnell. Jason Campbell. Todd Collins. Jason Campbell. Donovan McNabb. Rex Grossman. John Beck. Robert Griffin. Kirk Cousins. Colt McCoy. Kirk Cousins.

Off the top of my head all of those guys have started at QB for the Washington Commanders since Tony Romo took the reigns in Dallas on a steamy fall night against the Giants in '06.

No coincidence, besides the 2012 year (where Griffin out performed Romo, in part due to an NFL not ready for the read option) the Cowboys have had the better record since '06 (notable exceptions '10 when both teams were 6-10 and '12)

That is the definition of NFL hell. Now perhaps Cousins proves to be the answer (I for one don't think he is going to be a super elite star, but could top out at an Andy Dalton like level in a year or 2), however for this season at least the Commanders QB situation has been better, giving a 2 game cushion and something to play for in December.

Are you on the cusp of the post Romo era? Probably sooner then Jerry Jones imagines. Does a top 5 pick guarantee Goff or Lynch? Probably not. Does drafting them guarantee a future successor who is any good?

Maybe. But seeing that Jason Garret will be the HC in Dallas for at least the next 3 years, as there is no way Jerry Jones swallows his ego and fires him before then, and his utter lack of developing any QB since '07, or maximizing Romo's ability, odds are one of those 2 guys will fail to reach their ceiling in Dallas. And as I can attest to, it is damn hard to win without that guy. This decade alone has brought false messiah's to the NFL and pre-injury we saw how much Andrew Luck was struggling this year.

Best of luck in the future QB hunt. Until then, welcome to NFL hell.

As for this Monday night, I am worried as all sorts. Logically the Commanders should win, and should win easy. The team has played significantly better at home and is right now the better team (and since the Griffin decision in August, the better org)

The Cowboys without Romo are a shell of themselves.

However this rivalry doesn't work that way. In fact, I would feel much more comfortable if you guys were good and playing for first place rather then figuring out how to get into the top 2 of the draft. These are the games in the rivalry where the team that isn't any good finds a way to win (Commanders in Dallas last year, Cowboys from 2000-2002, Commanders '95, Cowboys '89)

The Commanders need this game more then the Cowboys do. In fact, the Cowboys losing probably helps the future of the team. Which is why I'd bet on the Cowboys getting the W.


One final note: Got a tour of Jerryworld while in Dallas over Thanksgiving. Have to give credit to Jerry and the Cowboys org. First class tour, first class people running the place and they gave me some good friendly ribbing for wearing a Commanders sweatshirt. I really enjoyed the tour and experience and have to give a huge thumbs up to the Cowboys organization

You should be worried. The Deadskins suck and always will.
 

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The OP has a point. Both Cowboys and Giants have been spoiled by consistent QB play. Let's face it. Romo and Eli are above average guys and they have carried Cowboys and Giants for a long time. Both Eli and Romo has a few years left and once they are gone both teams will regress until they find their next franchise QB.
 

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The OP has a point. Both Cowboys and Giants have been spoiled by consistent QB play. Let's face it. Romo and Eli are above average guys and they have carried Cowboys and Giants for a long time. Both Eli and Romo has a few years left and once they are gone both teams will regress until they find their next franchise QB.

That's why if we win it would be good to see the skin fans cry , if we lose we're just closer to a top, pick (Paxton Lynch) this is actually win win for us ;)..not to mention the skins will probably be with cousins next year and have a pick in the 20ss, chances are they will shell out alot of money for cousins, average starting qbs are getting paid pretty darn good now.
 

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Lol.. this thread almost makes me want Dallas to win on Monday

but then again pragmatism wins out and I hope DAL loses every remaining game.
 

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Lol.. this thread almost makes me want Dallas to win on Monday

but then again pragmatism wins out and I hope DAL loses every remaining game.

Dallas is still in it my friend. If you win and both Eagles and Giants lose, you guys have a great shot at winning the division.
 

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What's interesting to me about this game, at least from my perspective is, had we really needed this game and were in better shape of claiming the division, I would be more worried that we'd lose. Now that I think we're basically out of it, and I'm more concerned about getting a higher pick in the draft, I'm actually believe our chances are better that we win this game.

Pretty much how I feel.
 

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The OP has a point. Both Cowboys and Giants have been spoiled by consistent QB play. Let's face it. Romo and Eli are above average guys and they have carried Cowboys and Giants for a long time. Both Eli and Romo has a few years left and once they are gone both teams will regress until they find their next franchise QB.

If only players like Kirk Cousins grew on trees....

Definitely time to start finding that next QB in Dallas and NY, though.
 

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"As for this Monday night, I am worried as all sorts. Logically the Commanders should win, and should win easy. The team has played significantly better at home and is right now the better team (and since the Griffin decision in August, the better org)"

Cmon your no where near the better organization. You don't have fine Art, Black tie restaurants and such.
 
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