We'll rue the day for letting the Jets take Clemens
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The Answer wouldn't necessarily have minded grabbing Clemens, but it seems to me that prospects from Oregon haven't had much success of late. And with Henson already looking like Akili Smith, it might not have been a good idea to grab another potential Joey Harrington. However my scouting report on Clemens tells me he is very smart and fundamentally sound, has a very quick and compact release and when he strides into his throws, he can make all the throws with very good zip. Clemens has also shown impressive ability to consistently step up and make big plays mostly with his arm, but occasionally with feet when it matters most, even vs. heavy pressure/blitzes. For Clemens to become the starter he is capable of being, he needs to stride into every throw he makes and do a better job of not forcing throws when he feels he has to make the big play. Aside from Matt Leinart, Clemens might be the only other quarterback who is more ready mentally to step into the NFL and contribute early in his career. If Pennington isn't a 100% ready in camp, than you might just see Clemons emerge as THE ANSWER in NY.
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iceberg said:
While he didn't "build" that team, I would argue the fact he was able to coach that team into the playoffs falls just short of the whole "Jesus turning water into wine" thing.
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iceberg said:
So you feel that team was more talented and the fact it went to the playoffs had nothing to do with Parcells?
How long does it take to build a team? I would say 2-4 seasons myself, but I am certainly no expert.
I think we should agree to disagree here, because Parcells is clearly one of the best coaches to have ever coached in the NFL.
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Lifetimeboyzfan said:
i feel it's pretty pointless to talk about. in this thread alone someone suggested parcells could take that crappy team and go to the playoffs JUST ON his own merit and skills.
then the counter argument is simpley that how come he can't make "good" changes to build off that?
then the excuses come along about it being a "only good on paper defense" so he needed to overhaul it, how it was a weak schedule - blah blah blah -
whatever. in the end, i'll leave you with a quote from who you feel is one of the best to ever coach -
you are what you are.
and so far he's NOT gone to the playoffs w/a team he built as a cowboy.
i don't really care about the side-argument entertainment any longer cause it's all "bait and switch" anymore and no one wins those wars.
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iceberg said:
Too funny.. Like I said, agree to disagree. In addition, if you are so tired of the arguement, why keep arguing?
Yes, I do feel Parcells is one of the best to ever coach.. I am also sure you would have a hard time finding many that would say he is not one of the best ever, personal biases aside.
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Lifetimeboyzfan said:
i wasn't arguing, i said parcells has NOT built a cowboys team and taken it to the playoffs.
i never got into his overall coaching ability, greatness or badness of all time - just said the only time we went to the playoffs under parcells was w/his first team he didn't build.
people draw their own conclusions off that.
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iceberg said:
Does it really matter that he didn't "build" the first year's team. If anything that makes me think he's a better coach than I thought he was. To take a 5-11 team and make them a playoff team is remarkable.
As for him not doing it with his own "groceries," that first year he had to do it with Vinny, mainly because there was little else to choose from. I also give BP one transition year, which shoulda been in the first year, but whatever. Last year he was three missed FGs and one injury from the playoffs. And we've gotten markedly better this offseason. Now you can say he has "built" this team" and we will make the playoffs this year barring an ungodly number of injuries.
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STEAL OF THE DRAFT
JAWS HAD JETS' CLEMENS RATED NO. 1 QBMay 13, 2006 -- Ron Jaworski knows quarterbacks. He was a pretty good one in college, carved out a solid NFL career, and takes a lot of pride in his breakdown of QBs in his current role as an ESPN analyst.
Ask him about Kellen Clemens, the Jets' second-round pick out of Oregon, and you might be inclined to jump out of your shoes if you're a Jets fan.
"I watched every game of his college career, every throw he made, and based on game performance I had him rated No. 1 amongst the quarterbacks in this draft," Jaworski said of Clemens in a phone interview with The Post. "I looked at one game and put my evaluation down and then looked at another and another, and as time went on I was blown away.
"One thing I heard about the guy is that he's only 6-15/8. To that my next question was, 'Did you see the guy play?' "
Clemens yesterday was unveiled in a Jets uniform for the first time, wearing No. 6 as the club began its weekend rookie mini-camp at Hofstra.
Asked about his aspirations about being the Jets' starting quarterback, Clemens said, "I'd love to someday, but right now I've got a lot of work to do before I can really go out and contribute the way the Jets need to me to."
Asked to describe himself as a quarterback, Clemens said, "A team leader sort of guy, a competitor. I try not to talk about me too much."
Naysayers are quick to point out that Clemens is only about a half-inch taller than Brooks Bollinger, the third-string QB who became the Jets' starter last year when Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler were lost for the season in Week 3.
"It's not even close between [Clemens] and Bollinger and I don't mean to demean Brooks, because he can be a serviceable backup in this league," Jaworski said. "But Clemens is about 20 pounds heavier than Bollinger, has a much stronger arm, and has really strong legs and can break tackles. He doesn't go down easily."
Clemens was a more prolific passer in college than Bollinger, who was more a threat with his legs than his arm.
"[Clemens] has a quick release, a strong arm, can make multiple throws, does a great job processing information and finding the open receiver, has the anticipation you need," Jaworski said. "All of those things were there. The one negative I saw was I didn't think he was consistent enough with the deep ball.
"I saw nothing but upside. I had him at No. 1, ahead of [Matt] Leinart, [Jay] Cutler and [Vince] Young and everyone else until I saw the [NFL] Combine tapes and was concerned, because he wasn't healthy. That put up a little red flag."
Clemens, who missed the last several games of the 2005 season with a broken left fibula and wasn't 100 percent at the Combine, said yesterday that he's fine, recovered and ready to go.
"All the intangibles are there," Jaworski said. "I talked to a number of coaches that worked him out and put him to the chalkboard and they were blown away by him. Seven or eight NFL head coaches said, from the neck up, this guy is best guy in the draft."
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JAWS HAD JETS' CLEMENS RATED NO. 1 QBMay 13, 2006 -- Ron Jaworski knows quarterbacks. He was a pretty good one in college, carved out a solid NFL career, and takes a lot of pride in his breakdown of QBs in his current role as an ESPN analyst.
Ask him about Kellen Clemens, the Jets' second-round pick out of Oregon, and you might be inclined to jump out of your shoes if you're a Jets fan.
"I watched every game of his college career, every throw he made, and based on game performance I had him rated No. 1 amongst the quarterbacks in this draft," Jaworski said of Clemens in a phone interview with The Post. "I looked at one game and put my evaluation down and then looked at another and another, and as time went on I was blown away.
"One thing I heard about the guy is that he's only 6-15/8. To that my next question was, 'Did you see the guy play?' "
Clemens yesterday was unveiled in a Jets uniform for the first time, wearing No. 6 as the club began its weekend rookie mini-camp at Hofstra.
Asked about his aspirations about being the Jets' starting quarterback, Clemens said, "I'd love to someday, but right now I've got a lot of work to do before I can really go out and contribute the way the Jets need to me to."
Asked to describe himself as a quarterback, Clemens said, "A team leader sort of guy, a competitor. I try not to talk about me too much."
Naysayers are quick to point out that Clemens is only about a half-inch taller than Brooks Bollinger, the third-string QB who became the Jets' starter last year when Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler were lost for the season in Week 3.
"It's not even close between [Clemens] and Bollinger and I don't mean to demean Brooks, because he can be a serviceable backup in this league," Jaworski said. "But Clemens is about 20 pounds heavier than Bollinger, has a much stronger arm, and has really strong legs and can break tackles. He doesn't go down easily."
Clemens was a more prolific passer in college than Bollinger, who was more a threat with his legs than his arm.
"[Clemens] has a quick release, a strong arm, can make multiple throws, does a great job processing information and finding the open receiver, has the anticipation you need," Jaworski said. "All of those things were there. The one negative I saw was I didn't think he was consistent enough with the deep ball.
"I saw nothing but upside. I had him at No. 1, ahead of [Matt] Leinart, [Jay] Cutler and [Vince] Young and everyone else until I saw the [NFL] Combine tapes and was concerned, because he wasn't healthy. That put up a little red flag."
Clemens, who missed the last several games of the 2005 season with a broken left fibula and wasn't 100 percent at the Combine, said yesterday that he's fine, recovered and ready to go.
"All the intangibles are there," Jaworski said. "I talked to a number of coaches that worked him out and put him to the chalkboard and they were blown away by him. Seven or eight NFL head coaches said, from the neck up, this guy is best guy in the draft."
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