Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

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Not fair to all of us Romo lovers. I love Romo and I think if he was 100% he very well could elevate this offense and that is not a knock on Dak. Now reality Romo is not ready, maybe he will be down the road maybe not. I do think the job Dak is doing deserves praise and if Dallas goes the distance with Dak then I still like our chances.
He's not elevating anything with a broken back.
 

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I honestly expect Romo lovers to whittle off and curl up in a corner and sing kum baya once Romo retires. So sad.

I don't know the words to Kum baya, and I think it will be a sad day when Tony retires same with Jason Witten after all these men have spilt blood for this team. I would love nothing more than for Tony to come back and show himself as the QB I know he is and lead this team to the SB. Yet that may not happen and if that is not the case then you move forward and I think the team is in good hands with Dak.
 

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You sound like you are speaking of yourself if you really post that McKelvin should have made that interception yet fail to mention Scandrick having one bounce off his chest.

McKelvins attempted INT was not something that anyone can objectively say he should have caught. In baseball that would never be ruled an error.

McKelvin should have caught it. Dak almost threw another one late in the 3rd, too.

Both guys played like rookies. The fact that Prescott's team won had very little to do with him. The fact that we are finding reasons to suggest Dak outplayed Wentz is a sign of pure homerism.
 

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McKelvin should have caught it. Dak almost threw another one late in the 3rd, too.

Both guys played like rookies. The fact that Prescott's team won had very little to do with him. The fact that we are finding reasons to suggest Dak outplayed Wentz is a sign of pure homerism.
Maybe Dak should have only thrown 2 yards all night so his stats could look cute to you.
 

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He's not elevating anything with a broken back.

Well the back is not broken. It was injured. I don't know nor does anyone else know what is ahead for Romo. I'm not going to slam him or disrespect him because others have an agenda. Yes I like Romo and I like Dak. If Romo can't come back I feel for him I really do but I will not attack Dak over this and I will not attack Romo. People talk about Jerry having an ego? lol fans have him beat they are more interested in their view and being right they will disrespect the very player that play for the franchise they claim to pull for.
 

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32 General Managers in the NFL would choose Wentz over Dak.

Jerry Jones would run to the phone to make that trade.

Believe what you want.

I don't doubt a majority would choose Wentz. I don't think for a minute it's unanimous and I don't think for a minute the Cowboys would make a change at this point in a straight-up swap. But what's the point of making an unprovable statement like that, anyway? Both these guys have way too much development yet to do to make any sort of definitive proclamations about where either one is likely to end up. In fact, the hardest work is still ahead of them. Last week, Dak got a passing grade, barely, against an advanced pressuring defense. Wentz kind of got an incomplete against lesser pressure in my book, but looked very decisive doing it. If I'm Dallas, there's a lot of work to do on not letting mechanics break down under pressure (this is all the stuff Tony talks about each offseason re: practicing his unorthodox release points and optimizing the steps in his footwork on rollouts). If I'm Philly, I'm finding ways to get the ball downfield into tight coverage if necessary (rather than talking about how you went 9-0 with the Chiefs eating table scraps in your press conference).

I will say that the Cowboys are in a much better position overall than the Eagles are right now. And we've also got the luxury of being able to let our young QB develop without a lot of pressure if that's the direction we want to go. This was a big home win that sets up the rest of the year for us. Tiptoeing or not, I'm pretty happy to have Dak playing this well while learning on the fly for us. I've got more confidence at this point in his ability to fix the mechanics than I do with any of the other QBs drafted ahead of him addressing their own shortcomings. If nothing else, we've seen how quickly Dak improves and how hard he works on identified problems. Getting that stuff on tape now, before mid-season, is not a bad thing.
 

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Maybe but then how many here have said Terrance Williams needs to go? or how Brice Butler is a JAG, even Witten who can't manage to get YAC, then of course undrafted Cole Beasley who is having a career year with Dak. Better not forget the RB whom the Cowboys screwed up by taking him with the 4th overall pick. lol

I don't recall a lot of praising this group of players heading into the season. lol

You're forgetting our biggest strength - the offensive line. And people may not have thought a RB is worth a top 5 pick, but every thought Zeke was a stud. Beasley is better than he's ever been, and Dez is a top 10 WR. The offense is LOADED and that's been a major part of Dak's success to this point.
 

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Maybe Dak should have only thrown 2 yards all night so his stats could look cute to you.

You, you know, set his feet and hit wide open receivers.

I've said nothing positive about Wentz's play on Sunday, so put the straw man away.
 

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Well the back is not broken. It was injured. I don't know nor does anyone else know what is ahead for Romo. I'm not going to slam him or disrespect him because others have an agenda. Yes I like Romo and I like Dak. If Romo can't come back I feel for him I really do but I will not attack Dak over this and I will not attack Romo. People talk about Jerry having an ego? lol fans have him beat they are more interested in their view and being right they will disrespect the very player that play for the franchise they claim to pull for.
I'm interested in Super Bowls, in which we've not seen in 20 years. What are your interests?
 

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You're forgetting our biggest strength - the offensive line. And people may not have thought a RB is worth a top 5 pick, but every thought Zeke was a stud. Beasley is better than he's ever been, and Dez is a top 10 WR. The offense is LOADED and that's been a major part of Dak's success to this point.

Not forgetting them but they are not considered skill players. Fact is few here had many positives to say about any of these players outside of Dez. Williams is constantly being ripped on, Butler and Cole yes having a career year yet many here only want to talk about what Cole can't do. This is typical around here. Fact is before the season vast majority had this team as nothing more than an 8-8 team.
 

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You, you know, set his feet and hit wide open receivers.

I've said nothing positive about Wentz's play on Sunday, so put the straw man away.
If you wanted Dak to have great stats, he could have easily done that by throwing whimpy 2 yard passes. He pushed the ball down the field, and he had a bad night. I'd like to know why no team has ever gone the entire season undefeated? It's because QBs have bad days. Is that okay?
 

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McKelvin should have caught it. Dak almost threw another one late in the 3rd, too.

Both guys played like rookies. The fact that Prescott's team won had very little to do with him. The fact that we are finding reasons to suggest Dak outplayed Wentz is a sign of pure homerism.
You either don't know football very well, are an Eagles fan, or a general troll.
There is a video link of the play but it's obvious that you are one of those guys that based with the facts will just close their eyes and repeat themselves over and over.

Prescott drove his team down the field and threw touchdown passes late in the forth quarter and again in OT. Wentz laid an egg with a 10 point lead and 6 minutes to go in the game.
The result of that game has plenty to do with both guys.

Go ahead and close your eyes and repeat yourself. When you open them the truth will still be the same.
 

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Everyone keeps telling Dak to set his feet, set his feet. How was his feet when he threw the winning touch down? You guys act like the guy is supposed to go 30/30 every game. Good luck, I'll take 6-1, Dak learning, and this franchise moving on to Cleveland.
 

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I'm interested in Super Bowls, in which we've not seen in 20 years. What are your interests?

Same thing. Again I am pro Dak and yes I am pro Romo. If Romo comes back I expect him to play to a high level if not then he needs to be replaced but I will not pull against players on this team. Smack is constantly thrown around about these players and the coach the very people who put their butts on the line every weekend while blow hard fans do nothing but slam them. Yeah great fan base, you want something you don't earn it is something they earn.
 

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Same thing. Again I am pro Dak and yes I am pro Romo. If Romo comes back I expect him to play to a high level if not then he needs to be replaced but I will not pull against players on this team. Smack is constantly thrown around about these players and the coach the very people who put their butts on the line every weekend while blow hard fans do nothing but slam them. Yeah great fan base, you want something you don't earn it is something they earn.
Whomever takes us to the Super Bowl, I'm a fan of. So we agree.
 

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You either don't know football very well, are an Eagles fan, or a general troll.
There is a video link of the play but it's obvious that you are one of those guys that based with the facts will just close their eyes and repeat themselves over and over.

Prescott drove his team down the field and threw touchdown passes late in the forth quarter and again in OT. Wentz laid an egg with a 10 point lead and 6 minutes to go in the game.
The result of that game has plenty to do with both guys.

Go ahead and close your eyes and repeat yourself. When you open them the truth will still be the same.

Save the ad hominem garbage.

Dak is the reason we were down 10 in the first place. If it wasn't for a fumble and fake punt, we lose that game. Dak didn't even play well in the 4th quarter. He had 2x 3-and-outs, nearly threw a pick and missed a few easy tosses, including a wide open TD.

On the game, Dak was a net negative. Wentz didn't play great either, but that's not the point I'm trying to make. The fact that we are trying to use this game to justify Dak being a better player than Wentz is laughable.
 

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Whomever takes us to the Super Bowl, I'm a fan of. So we agree.

I agree ultimately that is what I want. However I'm hardcore Cowboys fan win, lose or tie. I still have respect for what these guys do and what they have to endure. It is easy to be a critic, critics are not dealing with the injuries or playing through pain. They just sit there and point their fingers. I would love to see guys like JJ Taylor or Skip Bayless out on the field getting their face kicked in but that is not their job.
 

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Rather than try and get smart (you failed),

Why don't you argue what I asked. Does Dak have a significantly better supporting cast or not? Which elements of the Eagles offense is better than the Cowboys?

I'll wait.
*This

There is no denying what the Cowboys have. And right now, if the Boys have the lead, they're gonna be tough to beat.

The Cowboys were probably the best 4-12 team of all time, injuries and not adapting to a "new" QB hurt them last year. Count yourselves lucky for having a down year.
 

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If you wanted Dak to have great stats, he could have easily done that by throwing whimpy 2 yard passes. He pushed the ball down the field, and he had a bad night. I'd like to know why no team has ever gone the entire season undefeated? It's because QBs have bad days. Is that okay?

When did I say it wasn't okay for him to have a bad game? He's a rookie - of course he's going to have bad games. It's just funny how we don't apply the same logic when the rookie QB doesn't have a star on his helmet.

Wentz and Dak are both playing well for rookie QBs. Dak has a much better supporting cast, including the best O-line in football. Wentz has a better defense. On Sunday, Dak played awful and Wentz was conservative to a fault. Let's just call spades what they are.
 

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Wentz is just an all around better human being.

Btw, this is why I'm smarter than the average fan. I can admit when a rival has a better player.

I really hope this is just you being a super ******* to get likes.

If it's not it's seriously just about the more useless thing I've ever seen you, or anyone else for that matter, post here.

I can only assume this had to be a joke about your man crush for Wentz.
 
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