Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

[TellerMorrow34]

In this game Sproles 15 carries for 86 yards rushing was nothing to sneeze at. As mentioned before when did Dallas get these weapons because for as long as I have been coming here many would have cut or traded many of these same people you are celebrating today. lol

Since Dak does not play vs the Philly offense, face it 2 QB actually never play one another they play the opposing defense, which one of these QB played a top 10 defense 8 to be exact and which one played the poorer defense?

Would you trade Zeke for Sproles straight up?

If your answer to that is no then you shouldn't have even needed to try and make that silly Sproles comparison.

Overall, across the board, Dak definitely has a lot more to work with on offense in Dallas than Wentz does in Philly.

But that's how it goes. Good for Dak, good for the Cowboys, and I love that the Eagles don't have any help for Wentz. I hope they never get him any either. That would tickle me to death.

But I won't ignore that fact either just because I think Dak is better.

And I don't care what a few clowns here would have done in trades you have never seen me advocate the trading of Dez, Witten, Zeke, or anyone on the offense for that matter. Outside maybe Doug Free. Who I absolutely admit I'd love to upgrade from.

 

[Rockport]

So basically, Dak threw 3 interceptions, including 2 in the end zone. Wentz threw one.

Which one drove his team 75 yards with the game on the line and won the game with a TD pass to #82?

 

[ConceptCoop]

What they do on offense is totally different. Wentz is asked to make the safe 2 yard pass, Dak is asked to go down the field. Does that not count?

Sure, it counts. It's absolutely part of the equation. But we don't need to pretend Dak isn't in a MUCH better situation.

FTR, I'm not saying Wentz has played better than Dak. I'm saying both have played well for rookies and it's impossible to say how Wentz would do with one of the best offensive supporting casts, rather than one of the worst. And vise versa - Dak struggled when Philly put pressure in his face. If he had Philly's line, he'd see a whole lot more of that.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

My agenda is, I don't want Qbs on this roster that isn't build for Super Bowls. Is that okay with you, or do you want a career full of empty endings?

My career is just fine and will be rather the Cowboys win or not.

I root for whose on the team. When Romo was the QB, and if he winds up the QB again, I'll root for him as I always have.

But then that's how I roll. I root for the guys on our team (Even the ones I've hated like Owens and Sanders) but some people have an insatiable desire to only hate a player and want the team to lose until that player is gone.

Your desires are well documented. You want Superbowl(s). Just so long as it's not Romo winning them.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Which one drove his team 75 yards with the game on the line and won the game with a TD pass to #82?

Dak. But he also went 3 and out 3 times in the 4th quarter and was missing all over the field in the process. And the reason the game was on the line in the first place is because of his poor play.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

There's a guy named Sproles and they have a top defense. You do know that when you have a top defense, you can take less risks. We don't have that luxury.

There's a guy here named Zeke. Sproles is a joke in comparison.

There is no one on this forum, or any other with a functional brain, who would trade Zeke for Sproles.

 

[Clove]

Sure, it counts. It's absolutely part of the equation. But we don't need to pretend Dak isn't in a MUCH better situation.

FTR, I'm not saying Wentz has played better than Dak. I'm saying both have played well for rookies and it's impossible to say how Wentz would do with one of the best offensive supporting casts, rather than one of the worst. And vise versa - Dak struggled when Philly put pressure in his face. If he had Philly's line, he'd see a whole lot more of that.

How did Wentz do with Minnesota's defense in his face all day. Oh wait, 52.4 QB rating with 2 INTs. Fantastic.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Translation foot work is not always perfect, not even Romo hell not even Brady. These QB often times are forced to throw off balance or off the back foot as defenders are in their face. this is not madden or some other video game.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Maybe we should move on.

 

[Doomsday101]

Would you trade Zeke for Sproles straight up?

If your answer to that is no then you shouldn't have even needed to try and make that silly Sproles comparison.

Overall, across the board, Dak definitely has a lot more to work with on offense in Dallas than Wentz does in Philly.

But that's how it goes. Good for Dak, good for the Cowboys, and I love that the Eagles don't have any help for Wentz. I hope they never get him any either. That would tickle me to death.

But I won't ignore that fact either just because I think Dak is better.

And I don't care what a few clowns here would have done in trades you have never seen me advocate the trading of Dez, Witten, Zeke, or anyone on the offense for that matter. Outside maybe Doug Free. Who I absolutely admit I'd love to upgrade from.

I like the guys we have as well including Terrance Williams. I respect the job the defense has done they play hard despite the fact they need more talent on that side of the ball. Philly does have that talent on the defensive side. So while Wentz faced a defense who struggles to get to the QB Dak was playing a defense who ranks 3rd in the NFL in getting after the QB.

 

[ConceptCoop]

How did Wentz do with Minnesota's defense in his face all day. Oh wait, 52.4 QB rating with 2 INTs. Fantastic.

What is your point? It's the best defense in the league and Wentz doesn't have very much to work with at all. Do you really think Dak does any better in the exact same situation?

 

[Clove]

There's a guy here named Zeke. Sproles is a joke in comparison.

There is no one on this forum, or any other with a functional brain, who would trade Zeke for Sproles.

Eagles defensive line works against Dak, Dallas defensive line doesn't work against Wentz. Cute though

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Based on record, he is NOW. You think numbers make a QB don't you? You think like a Cleveland Browns fan. Aikman never had superior numbers, but he have 3 things you like.

This is true. 100%.

But anyone who watched Aikman knew, without question, he could have had any numbers he wanted if the team was built to run that type of offense.

There's a difference between a guy who doesn't have numbers, because he played perfectly (And without complaint) in a system that didn't allow for that and a guy who people would be questioning whether or not they could put numbers up on an offense built for them to do so.

I'll take Troy's numbers for any QB and get W's and Superbowls as long as I feel comfortable that if I need that QB to they can carry the team, get those numbers, and be great. I knew Aikman could if we needed him to do so. Fortunately it wasn't often needed that way.

 

[Clove]

What is your point? It's the best defense in the league and Wentz doesn't have very much to work with at all. Do you really think Dak does any better in the exact same situation?

We're about to find out soon enough. Even dinking and dunking didn't save him.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Eagles defensive line works against Dak, Dallas defensive line doesn't work against Wentz. Cute though

Wentz absolutely has the better defense. I don't dispute that.

It doesn't change the fact, in the least, that he doesn't have the weapons on offense that people are trying to claim are about equal.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Eagles defensive line works against Dak, Dallas defensive line doesn't work against Wentz. Cute though

Do you think the Cowboys are a better team than Philly, outside of the QB spot? A simple yes or no should step this particular back and forth.

 

[Rockport]

Dak. But he also went 3 and out 3 times in the 4th quarter and was missing all over the field in the process. And the reason the game was on the line in the first place is because of his poor play.

Sure. Back to Madden son.

 

[phildadon86]

McKelvin should have caught it. Dak almost threw another one late in the 3rd, too.

Both guys played like rookies. The fact that Prescott's team won had very little to do with him. The fact that we are finding reasons to suggest Dak outplayed Wentz is a sign of pure homerism.

Lol. This comment is hilarious. This team won in spite of him? Who led the charge in the 4th to tie the. Who led the team 90 yards in OT and ran for a critical 1st down on 4th and 1? Who kept plays alive with his legs? Who was that guy? Scandrick?

 

[ConceptCoop]

We're about to find out soon enough. Even dinking and dunking didn't save him.

No we won't. We have no way of knowing for sure what Dak does against Minny's defense, with Philly's offensive around him.

 

[T-RO]

I'm proud of myself for not getting sucked into this debate. Nothing to gain here.

Go Dak Attack!

 

[Clove]

This is true. 100%.

But anyone who watched Aikman knew, without question, he could have had any numbers he wanted if the team was built to run that type of offense.

There's a difference between a guy who doesn't have numbers, because he played perfectly (And without complaint) in a system that didn't allow for that and a guy who people would be questioning whether or not they could put numbers up on an offense built for them to do so.

I'll take Troy's numbers for any QB and get W's and Superbowls as long as I feel comfortable that if I need that QB to they can carry the team, get those numbers, and be great. I knew Aikman could if we needed him to do so. Fortunately it wasn't often needed that way.

How did you feel about Troy's rookie season then?

52.9 QB average 1,749 yds, 6.0 average per yards 9 tds 18 interceptions