Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

[Clove]

I had no issue with Aikman ever. They were a team on the rise, he was improving year to year. He also had some injury issues but I felt like they were starting to show some signs with Emmitt being there and showing to be special already and Irvin clearly back from a bad knee injury.

I have no issue with Dak, or his play. You'd know that if you bothered to read things on the forums instead of worrying about your agendas. I am quite impressed with Dak. I think he's far better than I ever thought he was going to be and at this point I do believe he's going to be a better QB than Wentz. Time will tell on that.

But at this point they are not on equal footing when it comes to supporting cast, no matter how many people want to believe they are to prop up even further what Dak is doing.

I don't need to prop it up even further. It's propped up just fine by how good he's doing.

Sorry you don't agree. That team 3 years in was better than the team Dak plays on right now. Far superior defense, and equal line. Plus they had a HOF receiver/running back/ and QB.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Why didn't Romo win in 2014 then?

Dude. The best pass rush doesn't win the SB every year, just like the best OLine doesn't win the Super Bowl every year. What are we even arguing?

 

[SDCowboy]

I get the bad feeling there are going to be a lot of Cowboys fans that will never like Dak because he essentially has Tony kicked to the curb/bench unceremoniously (if that ends up happening). There seems to be some serious venom towards a guy who is having one of the great rookie QB seasons we've seen in recent years, when there should be nothing but excitement.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

If you feel Wentz is better be my guest. I think he is a good QB and will get better I don't think he was worth giving up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get him. Also I don't see anything in him greater than Dak. His arm motion which was mentioned several times needs work as he drops the ball down making a loop as he is coming forward. I also know no one was giving Dak a snowball chance in hell to do anything this season or this team and he has proven people wrong and they cant' seem to handle that after all their agenda is more important that actual results on the field. I watched 3 different QB last season fail and a rookie step in there and get the job done.

Dak has much work to do I do not doubt that for a second I also know a big part of the game for a QB is the 6 inches between the ears and Dak is showing he has the mental toughness to play this game and raise his game even vs top rated defenses.

Could you point me to the post where I said Wentz was better? I'd really like to see that post.

And I absolutely agree Wentz is not worth a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. You'd have to be able to assure me that the QB was the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady for me to give up that kind of payment for them.

I think Wentz has a stronger arm. He might be more accurate, at this point and time, but outside of that I feel that everything else you want in your QB Dak is better than Wentz and I feel like Dak is only going to get a lot better in all those areas, which will make him even more special in the long run.

 

[Clove]

Dude. The best pass rush doesn't win the SB every year, just like the best OLine doesn't win the Super Bowl every year. What are we even arguing?

You're telling me that great offensive lines win super bowls, I say great QB play wins super bowls.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I get the bad feeling there are going to be a lot of Cowboys fans that will never like Dak because he essentially has Tony kicked to the curb/bench unceremoniously. There seems to be some serious venom towards a guy who is having one of the great rookie QB seasons we've seen in recent years, when there should be nothing but excitement.

Can you point me to the venom, outside of Risen? Honest question, please.

 

[Eanwen]

I haven't read the whole thread but I just don't see Wentz being that much better than Dak, or even doing much better than Dak if he was here. Granted, the only game I've really watched of Wentz's was Sunday night, but his accuracy was a bit off on a lot of throws (e.g. screens to Sproles, wr screens). Sure his receivers dropped a lot of passes but they also bailed him out on a few.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Sorry you don't agree. That team 3 years in was better than the team Dak plays on right now. Far superior defense, and equal line. Plus they had a HOF receiver/running back/ and QB.

Okay....I don't know what I was supposed to be agreeing with you on. You asked about Aikman I answered.

BTW in 1991 you didn't know, nor did anyone else, that they had a HOF QB, RB, and WR. I don't care if you come here and try to claim that today I'll call your BS on that every time.

And none of this walk down memory lane has anything to do with the fact that today, right now, as you sit at your computer the Cowboys have a much better offense then Philly. It's not even close and what Aikman had in 1991 doesn't change that fact.

 

[slomoxn]

I don't really care, Just like I told my ex wife, you may be good for somebody, but not for me. Dak is doing what needs to be done for us, our defense isn't exactly top 5 or even 15 and hew couldn't pass down field. Dak did his job and is winning and at the end of the day that's all that matters, remember how horrid Russell Wilson was a few years ago? Neither do I but everyone sure thought there were at least 20 Qbs better than him but he just kept proving everyone wrong till all the critics shut up. Dak is going through the same thing without a stellar defense. And I'll say it again, we all have had problems with management and this team over the past few years but our loyalty never waivered, for some still not happy, you may not be fans of this team anylonger and just don't know it. You sure show it though and it may be time to find that other team to hate.

 

[phildadon86]

What is my argument? I have no idea what you think you're debunking. Not sure you do either.

I'm not arguing. I'm just stating that dak won and Wentz lost. You just want to keep saying Wentz is better. Go ahead.

 

[ConceptCoop]

You're telling me that great offensive lines win super bowls, I say great QB play wins super bowls.

Teams win SBs. Passing teams, running teams, defensive teams, offensive teams, teams with a HOF QB, teams with bus drivers at QB, teams with great pass rushes, teams with not so great pass rushes, teams with tall WRs, teams with short WRs... the best teams win SBs.

Again, what are we arguing? You're trying to tell me that Philly's pass rush is more important than our offensive line, as a proof that Wentz is in a better, or equal situation? Is that it? Getting hard to keep track.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I'm not arguing. I'm just stating that dak won and Wentz lost. You just want to keep saying Wentz is better. Go ahead.

When did I say Wentz is better in this conversation? I didn't. You don't even know what you're arguing (or not arguing) about.

 

[Clove]

Okay....I don't know what I was supposed to be agreeing with you on. You asked about Aikman I answered.

BTW in 1991 you didn't know, nor did anyone else, that they had a HOF QB, RB, and WR. I don't care if you come here and try to claim that today I'll call your BS on that every time.

And none of this walk down memory lane has anything to do with the fact that today, right now, as you sit at your computer the Cowboys have a much better offense then Philly. It's not even close and what Aikman had in 1991 doesn't change that fact.

You think Wentz is better because Dak has better talent around him, but I say, Wentz is asked to do things that help him to have a good chance to be successful. Dak has not had Dez for most of his games, his LT for most of his games, and an average defense. I call it equal, except Dak's doing much better.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I get the bad feeling there are going to be a lot of Cowboys fans that will never like Dak because he essentially has Tony kicked to the curb/bench unceremoniously. There seems to be some serious venom towards a guy who is having one of the great rookie QB seasons we've seen in recent years, when there should be nothing but excitement.

There will be. Without question there will be some folks who will come out and every little thing Dak does wrong will be magnified by those fans because they're pissed he's taken it away from Tony.

I love Tony Romo. Always have and I always will. I think he has been the heart and soul of this team for a long time and often doesn't get the respect and credit he deserves.

That said I love this kid Dak. I'm completely fine with the Cowboys sticking with him and just moving forward if that's their decision. It's nice to see that they have a guy here that they can make that decision with.

On the other side of that coin you're going to have that small handful of fans who've been so vehemently anti-Romo for years, and who've invested so much hatred toward him that they're pounding their chest for Dak to remain the QB from now on so that they can puff out their chests and be right about Romo never winning it all. That's more important to them then anything else.

There's at least one in this thread right now.

 

[Clove]

Teams win SBs. Passing teams, running teams, defensive teams, offensive teams, teams with a HOF QB, teams with bus drivers at QB, teams with great pass rushes, teams with not so great pass rushes, teams with tall WRs, teams with short WRs... the best teams win SBs.

Again, what are we arguing? You're trying to tell me that Philly's pass rush is more important than our offensive line, as a proof that Wentz is in a better, or equal situation? Is that it? Getting hard to keep track.

Dak is better than Wentz right now. If you can't come to grips with it, you'll be a disgruntled customer. I'm at peace right now, we're 6-1. Yay!

 

[Idgit]

You aren't even reading what I've typed out - just more tribalism - "Our guys are the greatest or your'e not a real fan! Go cheer for another team if you disagree!"

Dak is having a GREAT rookie season. I love the guy. I just don't see the point in pretending he wasn't bad on Sunday.

What is my argument? I have no idea what you think you're debunking. Not sure you do either.

In fairness to the thread, you came into a discussion of a general comparison of the two QBs, CC, tried to pivot the discussion to be about one game, and then try to blame the forum for being 'tribal' when all they're really doing is staying on topic. It's not really fair to confuse the topic, ask the other poster to then define your argument for you, and try to fault them for not really being sure what you're talking about.

If this were a thread about how poorly Dak played during the early part of the game on Sunday, very few posters would dispute your position, and if they did, they would be wrong. But since it's a general comparison of the two players over the course of their rookie seasons, your criticism doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[slomoxn]

I'm not sure where they get this 'Wentz is more accurate' theory. He's throwing much shorter passes and doesn't have the placement that Dak has.

I *might* take Wentz if I could sit him out the rest of this year and most of 2017. I love his size, athleticism and arm. He has a pretty good command of the pre-snap reads. But, the game moves way too fast for him.

Contrary to popular belief, his receivers do get open down the field, but he doesn't anticipate very well to find them. This 'he's doing what he's told to do' excuse is nonsense. He doesn't see the route happening.

Dak is kinda at the point where Romo was in 2016. He got off to a super hot start and was deadly throwing the ball out of the pocket. I think teams are going to throw a ton of exotic blitzes and zone blitzes at Dak like they did at Romo and try to keep him in the pocket. The difference is that Romo was much better at anticipating throws, particularly deep throws.

I think if we see teams going with the same gameplan the Eagles did, that alone tells me that Dak is far ahead of where Wentz is at this point because teams are willing to get out of their comfort zone schematically because otherwise they'll get torched. Teams aren't getting out of their comfort zone schematically for Wentz.




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Dak had said after the game the Eagles had packages that were not shown on film or this season, basically Philly came up with a whole new defensive scheme to stop him and Zeke and still failed. Our defense is vanilla and still able to get Carson rattled, for me no brainer.

 

[SDCowboy]

There will be. Without question there will be some folks who will come out and every little thing Dak does wrong will be magnified by those fans because they're pissed he's taken it away from Tony.

I love Tony Romo. Always have and I always will. I think he has been the heart and soul of this team for a long time and often doesn't get the respect and credit he deserves.

That said I love this kid Dak. I'm completely fine with the Cowboys sticking with him and just moving forward if that's their decision. It's nice to see that they have a guy here that they can make that decision with.

On the other side of that coin you're going to have that small handful of fans who've been so vehemently anti-Romo for years, and who've invested so much hatred toward him that they're pounding their chest for Dak to remain the QB from now on so that they can puff out their chests and be right about Romo never winning it all. That's more important to them then anything else.

There's at least one in this thread right now.

True enough. Well said.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You think Wentz is better because Dak has better talent around him, but I say, Wentz is asked to do things that help him to have a good chance to be successful. Dak has not had Dez for most of his games, his LT for most of his games, and an average defense. I call it equal, except Dak's doing much better.

Holy **** some of you people have some serious reading and comprehension skill issues.

I have never once, at any point, in this conversation said that Wentz is better. I can not, and simply will not, divert any more time to people like you who have a serious reading problem.

 

[Clove]

There's at least one in this thread right now.

Yep, that's me. I'm not down for guys wasting my time, and I said he would eat up 5 more years with no titles and I was right. I give each QB 4 years to prove something.