Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

[Clove]

Holy **** some of you people have some serious reading and comprehension skill issues.

I have never once, at any point, in this conversation said that Wentz is better. I can not, and simply will not, divert any more time to people like you who have a serious reading problem.

What's your point then? You like to see yourself type?

 

[phildadon86]

In fairness to the thread, you came into a discussion of a general comparison of the two QBs, CC, tried to pivot the discussion to be about one game, and then try to blame the forum for being 'tribal' when all they're really doing is staying on topic. It's not really fair to confuse the topic, ask the other poster to then define your argument for you, and try to fault them for not really being sure what you're talking about.

If this were a thread about how poorly Dak played during the early part of the game on Sunday, very few posters would dispute your position, and if they did, they would be wrong. But since it's a general comparison of the two players over the course of their rookie seasons, your criticism doesn't make a lot of sense.

Thank you

 

[ConceptCoop]

Based on record, he is NOW. You think numbers make a QB don't you? You think like a Cleveland Browns fan. Aikman never had superior numbers, but he have 3 things you like.

Wait. You're really saying that Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now?

Either record isn't the only thing that matters or Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now. Which is it?

 

[phildadon86]

When did I say Wentz is better in this conversation? I didn't. You don't even know what you're arguing (or not arguing) about.

This whole conversation has been about you trying to make wentz out to be the better qb. He isnt. Even went as far as to say that Dak has more talent around him. Fair enough. Considering the talent he had at Mississippi State, i think hes earned some talent around him, and he still broke records there. Against tougher competition. So.......I guess hes just lucky?

 

[phildadon86]

Wait. You're really saying that Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now?

Either record isn't the only thing that matters or Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now. Which is it?

Well, considering his stats, he actually is in the top 5 this year as of right now.....just saying.

 

[Idgit]

I get the bad feeling there are going to be a lot of Cowboys fans that will never like Dak because he essentially has Tony kicked to the curb/bench unceremoniously (if that ends up happening). There seems to be some serious venom towards a guy who is having one of the great rookie QB seasons we've seen in recent years, when there should be nothing but excitement.

Really? I don't feel that way, at all. What I don't understand is the weird Wentz fetishing that goes on, though. That's where it seems to me the Daklash comes from, but I can't figure out why. I get that some really wanted us to give up the farm to CLE to get him, but as top-QB prospects go, the guy's good, but not all that special. As a pro he's been a competent caretaker and has a laser for an arm, but he hasn't been special, and his play has trailed off rather than gotten better with experience. I think he'll probably be a good player for a long time for them, but he's not special.

Dak, on the other hand, has been a godsend for where he's picked and for how quickly he's developed. His intangibles are off the charts, and he's got a ton of work to do on his mechanics. But he's demonstrated the ability to do that work, and quickly. He's a home run that you think everybody would recognize and, maybe more important, would not even want to compare him negatively to a rival's pick he's dramatically outperforming in terms of the risk/reward ratio.

I really don't like to ever question members' loyalties, but I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind that maybe we really do have some Eagles fans here crossdressing in blue and white jerseys. Not everybody who loves Wentz, obviously. But it's at least occurred to me.

 

[Clove]

Wait. You're really saying that Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now?

Either record isn't the only thing that matters or Dak is the 2nd best QB in the league right now. Which is it?

Right now, Dak is playing the 2nd best QBing in the league right now. Stats mean nothing, the only stat that matters is W/L. He may fall off down the stretch, but today, he's playing the second best in the league. If that means, managing games, taking over games, slipping a little but coming through in the clutch, he's doing it.

 

[ConceptCoop]

In fairness to the thread, you came into a discussion of a general comparison of the two QBs, CC, tried to pivot the discussion to be about one game, and then try to blame the forum for being 'tribal' when all they're really doing is staying on topic. It's not really fair to confuse the topic, ask the other poster to then define your argument for you, and try to fault them for not really being sure what you're talking about.

Please point me to where I tried to pivot, alter, or confuse the topic. I joined an in progress conversation by replying to posts about the QB play in Sunday's game.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Right now, Dak is playing the 2nd best QBing in the league right now.

I think that's a bit silly, but, again, at least we know where we stand. Thanks for answering.

 

[SDCowboy]

Really? I don't feel that way, at all. What I don't understand is the weird Wentz fetishing that goes on, though. That's where it seems to me the Daklash comes from, but I can't figure out why. I get that some really wanted us to give up the farm to CLE to get him, but as top-QB prospects go, the guy's good, but not all that special. As a pro he's been a competent caretaker and has a laser for an arm, but he hasn't been special, and his play has trailed off rather than gotten better with experience. I think he'll probably be a good player for a long time for them, but he's not special.

Dak, on the other hand, has been a godsend for where he's picked and for how quickly he's developed. His intangibles are off the charts, and he's got a ton of work to do on his mechanics. But he's demonstrated the ability to do that work, and quickly. He's a home run that you think everybody would recognize and, maybe more important, would not even want to compare him negatively to a rival's pick he's dramatically outperforming in terms of the risk/reward ratio.

I really don't like to ever question members' loyalties, but I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind that maybe we really do have some Eagles fans here crossdressing in blue and white jerseys. Not everybody who loves Wentz, obviously. But it's at least occurred to me.

Well said. Agreed on the Wentz fetishism. It's beyond odd (not that he isn't an impressive rookie, also).

 

[ConceptCoop]

This whole conversation has been about you trying to make wentz out to be the better qb. He isnt. Even went as far as to say that Dak has more talent around him. Fair enough. Considering the talent he had at Mississippi State, i think hes earned some talent around him, and he still broke records there. Against tougher competition. So.......I guess hes just lucky?

I keep asking you to show me where I say the things you claim I say, but you can't seem to provide them. I don't think there's a constructive conversation to have if you can't do that. I don't really feel like defending things I haven't said.

 

[Idgit]

Well said. Agreed on the Wentz fetishism. It's beyond odd (not that he isn't an impressive rookie, also).

You might be right, that it's Romo-fans. Or maybe there are a couple die-hards and I'm just not noticing. I know I've been accused of not liking Dak just because I still prefer Romo, and it seems like a lot of the posters who agree with me actually have been really pro-Dak, too, so I could be biased. But, yeah, I do think the Wentz-love/Dak-questioning stuff is bizarre. It's tough to deal with, because it simply devolves into them accusing you of rooting for the Star, but that's obviously not what it's about. There are Eagles fans all over angry because they also think Dak might actually be the better player, so I don't believe it's just us rooting for laundry.

 

[Nexx]

zeke + dak or just wentz... ill go with first option 10 out of 10 times.

 

[Luther]

This "Dak v. Wentz" thing is a lot more entertaining than the tired "Dak v. Romo" thing. I'm enjoying!


Side note: Dak and Wentz are both worlds better than the #1 overall world-savior, Goff.

 

[Clove]

I think that's a bit silly, but, again, at least we know where we stand. Thanks for answering.

I think too many folks put emphasis on yardage. I think being smart, moving your team up and down the field and into the end zone is good QB play. If you noticed, Dak had no problems moving his team up and down the field even with all the missed throws Sunday Night. He's figuring things out and quickly. He finally figured out the eagles in time to score the winning TD. This is all you can ask of a rookie QB.

 

[Bay10]

After a handful of games it's impossible to know which qb is better. After 15 years of watching Manning vs Brady I'm still not sure which qb was better. However, I know which team had more success between those two all time great qbs TEAMS. It's about which team is better not which qb is better and right now Dallas looks like a better TEAM.

 

[SDCowboy]

Regardless of whether one thinks Dak or Wentz is better, I hope most can agree it's pretty exciting to be able to even have this debate be a thing.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Really? I don't feel that way, at all. What I don't understand is the weird Wentz fetishing that goes on, though. That's where it seems to me the Daklash comes from, but I can't figure out why. I get that some really wanted us to give up the farm to CLE to get him, but as top-QB prospects go, the guy's good, but not all that special. As a pro he's been a competent caretaker and has a laser for an arm, but he hasn't been special, and his play has trailed off rather than gotten better with experience. I think he'll probably be a good player for a long time for them, but he's not special.

Dak, on the other hand, has been a godsend for where he's picked and for how quickly he's developed. His intangibles are off the charts, and he's got a ton of work to do on his mechanics. But he's demonstrated the ability to do that work, and quickly. He's a home run that you think everybody would recognize and, maybe more important, would not even want to compare him negatively to a rival's pick he's dramatically outperforming in terms of the risk/reward ratio.

I really don't like to ever question members' loyalties, but I'd be lying if I said it hadn't crossed my mind that maybe we really do have some Eagles fans here crossdressing in blue and white jerseys. Not everybody who loves Wentz, obviously. But it's at least occurred to me.

Who are these members you're referring to, outside of Risen? And why would a poster thinking Wentz is or will be better be a matter of loyalty? You don't think Wentz is special, and that's fine. But someone thinking otherwise doesn't make them a closet Eagles fan.

For the record, I think they've both played well. I think Dak has played better, but is in a better situation. I think Wentz has the higher upside, but Dak is likely better today. But I also think Dak for a 4th is better than Wetnz for everything the Eagles gave up. Does that make me a Eagles fan? Because I'm pretty sure that's close to the consensus outside of Cowboys forums.

 

[ConceptCoop]

After a handful of games it's impossible to know which qb is better.

Eagles fan!

 

[mattjames2010]