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  1. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. Many, and I mean MANY of the "gaffes" are exaggerated and some are flat out misconstrued. "Homers"... another word for those who have been right about Jason Garrett. "Realists", those struggling with the real world as opposed to the story they have been trying to tell for 3 seasons. 6-1... pretty real. Process has worked.
     
  2. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Moderator

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    With our OL and Murray it was a gigantic wuss move.
     
  3. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Gigantic wuss move worked out pretty good :) Some of those "manly" moves have sure worked out poorly over the last several weeks in the NFL. I watch a lot of football with Sunday Ticket and I can tell you some coaches have cost their teams games with their "courage."
     
  4. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    When Barry Switzer did it on 4th and 1 vs Philly and Dallas failed I don't recall many calling it a brave move it was just stupid. lol
     
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  5. Plankton

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    As much as I can and will give Jason Garrett credit for how the team and coaching staff have performed this year, to say "Process has worked" seven games into a 16 game season is a little early to be doing a victory lap.

    Look back to 1986 for the Cowboys. They started the season 6-2, and were in first place in the NFC East, having the tiebreaker edge on both Washington and New York. In Week 9, in the rematch against the Giants, Danny White broke his wrist on a sack by Carl Banks, and was lost for the season. The Cowboys lost that game in a heartbreaker, 17-14, where they completely outplayed the Giants, and due to two Phil Pozderak penalties, blew chances to win the game. They ended up going 1-7 the rest of the season.

    Point being, things can change on a dime. The process, for lack of a better word, has not fully played out yet. If you say the process is working, well, that would appear to be accurate. To say that is has worked, and is final is the equivalent of Mission Accomplished.
     
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  6. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Jeff Fisher did it against us earlier this season in a much more favorable place than Switzer. How did that one work out?
     
  7. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    I can't wait to find out how true this may be.
     
  8. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    I can agree with that. Process is working. Truthfully, I expect Garrett to be resigned to a long term deal. I see us winning consistently for a good time to come. I think we have turned the corner. I also fully expect WE WILL HAVE SOME ROUGH SPOTS this season. Every NFL team does.
     
  9. Doomsday101

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    I agree. We are not quite halfway with the season. What the Cowboys have been doing thus far has been a surprise even for optimist like myself but there is a lot of work ahead to get to where they want to be. I will say I think Jason message to his players is working because I see them talking about not being satisfied with their play, knowing they have more work and more improvements to make. They are not running around talking SB they are talking about what they have to do today to be better. if they can keep that mindset then they will have a chance
     
  10. rcaldw

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    EVERY organization is the sum of its parts. It would be insane to say otherwise. Landry was a genius, and, personally, I don't think he had lost it.... but the organization had lost it. He was a genius when they lost early, and he was a genius when they lost at the end of his career. Garrett is in the right job for his abilities, he has the organization thinking correctly about how to approach their business, he has surrounded himself with an excellent staff, and they have done a good job accumulating players.
     
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  11. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    it is a hero or heal call, if you call it and it works you are great when it fails people will ask what were you thinking. Personally I would have had no issue going for it but also had no problem punting it away given how the game was going.
     
  12. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I WANTED him to go for it. I think he SHOULD have gone for it. But when HE makes a decision, and it works out favorably, then I tip my hat. I certainly, though, wouldn't call it a wuss move. There are TONS of successful coaches over the history of the NFL who thought and decided exactly like that. Landry was one of them. I can't tell you how many times over Landry's career (the part I watched from 1970 on), he would settle for the sure points instead of risking to get something more. You play the risk vs. reward game, and you play the percentages.

    And, by the way, I wonder what message Garrett sends to his defense when he makes that decision?
     
  13. tyke1doe

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    Fans like to go for it. But they don't have to deal with the ramifications. The coaches do.
    You don't go for it on 4 and 1 at the Giants 40 and let them back in the game if you don't make it.
    At that point, we were up by 7. You play the averages.
    As it turns out, we punt. The Giants fumble (we stripped them more like it), and we go in for a touchdown to go up by 14.
    Desperate teams (like the Rams) take risks. Better teams (like the Cowboys) play the averages.
     
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  14. Yakuza Rich

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    I'm more of a 'go for it' type. The 56 yard field goal against Seattle was nice, but not overly critical to the game. If anything, I'm the type that would go for it in that situation, but I didn't have a problem with the FG attempt if Bailey had the leg which he did.

    I didn't have a problem with the 49 yarder either.

    I would have gone for it on the 40-yard line instead of punting. I don't think the Giants could stop us.





    YR
     
  15. WPBCowboysFan

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    All good points. But you have to remember, the Red homers have had 3 years of the Process looking shaky, while they have kept banging the Red drum. The more the Process looked stuck in the mud, the more they dug in as Red was criticized, both rightfully and wrongfully so for various things. They have felt like victims. Disenfranchised. Ridiculed. Often ignored. This is vindication for them. Its a time to say, "we told all of you blind bats" who werent willing to see.

    The reality is we have a long way to go. Its been great so far. And what we are seeing is what many of us felt like this team should have been doing to some degree the past 3 years with a pro bowl caliber QB, WR, TE, and other talented players.

    Who should get all the credit for the turnaround is debatable, but ONE thing we all know is that it is totally different this year. So what changed? Are we to assume that its ALL the Process and it just finally clicked after 3 1/2 years of little if any progress? And even more like 6-7 years for the offense to finally click and cut out the dumb mistakes/penalties and play consistently? The answer is that NONE of us really know what all contributed to what we have seen so far this year, but we do know its totally different than the past. Lets just enjoy it and keep it going. If we do something significant Red will get all the credit the homers desire for him and Cowboy fans worldwide will be thrilled. And none of us, the homers, the complainers, the realists, or the objective fans will have had anything to do with any of it except watch it, enjoy it, and give their opinions on it.
     
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  16. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Agree with everything you say here Rich except the idea that the 56 yarder was not critical to that game. It was huge. It stopped the bleeding and tied the game back up.
     
  17. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    :), blah, blah, blah :) (and before anybody jumps on me WPB is a buddy : He's blind as a bat on this subject, but he's still a friend :))
     
  18. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it was *overly* critical to the game. Very nice to have, but had he missed it, I think we still could have very well won the game.




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  19. Plankton

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    I agree.

    I couldn't care less who gets credit for it. I'm just happy that it's taking place. With how stagnant things have been with this team, I am enjoying watching the games again. Some of this is due to myself personally having such low expectations for the team this year. Again, I am happy to be proven wrong in this case. Hope they keep doing it.
     
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  20. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    I agree we still could have won. I thought it was big though Rich. Thought so at the time and still do. But I hear ya.
     

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