What could the Cowboys learn from the Philly team building model

[CarolinaFathead]

Eagles use void contracts.

that bill will need to be paid someday.

This is how you win ‘ships in today’s league. You have to be creative with contract structuring and treat the cap likes it’s a revolving credit card where the spending limit ALWAYS goes up. It’s the best, and probably only way, to offset having to grossly overspend for a non-elite starting QB. Obviously you have to couple this with consistent home run drafting in order to get all pro caliber players on the cheap on rookie window contracts, too.

All GMs, except our dumb arse, know this is how to build rosters in today’s league, but not all teams have owners who want to spend money, a FO smart enough to navigate salary structuring, or GMs with the necessary eye for talent.

We have the worst of all three worlds:

1. We have a GM with little to no eye for talent and little to no knowledge to base gauging talent. He couldn’t tell you the top five players in college at every position of need for the Cowboys coming into this draft if you put a gun to his head. He knows nothing more than some bar regular who gets drunk every Sunday watching NFL games and then goes home, vomits all over himself, and falls asleep in a drunken coma. That’s his knowledge level.

2. We also have an owner and FO cheap as they come with a philosophy of overpaying players they know based on past performance and not future, projected productivity.

3. You could put Stephen and Jerry in a room together for six months and give both of them one job - learn modern strategies on how to creatively manipulate the salary cap - and you’d have better odds asking them to solve a Rubik’s cube while standing on their heads while they both fart the alma mater for Arkansas in perfect tone and pitch.

 

[birdwells1]

True. But they won it all. Mission accomplished

The cap goes up every year.

 

[birdwells1]

Hire front office personnel that can lose their jobs for poor performance, without that there's no urgency to improve.

 

[CTcowboy203]

The phrasing should be what should the cowboys learn from the eagles…..because the disconnect is Stephen and Jerry don’t think the way they are doing things is wrong. They think they’ve gotten “bad luck “ and that’s evident every time they reference how many regular season wins we have had or “top 7 winning team” over x many years. I’d worry more about them thinking we are close because “see we can hang with the eagles of the world”.

They should see how you can absolutely build through the draft - but you NEED to use free agency to plug certain holes. When you don’t use FA at all, you make a terribly difficult process (the draft) even more of a crapshoot. They also should learn how to stay out of the way as owners (they won’t).

Lastly, I hate the eagles, hate them, but there’s a few posters here who let that hate they I and other have for them blind them and start knocking roseman and the eagles- the eagles are a top notch organization who are run extremely well.

 

[John813]

Eagles use void contracts.

that bill will need to be paid someday.

Dallas uses void contracts too.
Rather try their method lol

 

[Hadenough]

Lines of scrimmage are the foundation to winning the game. QB’s have some importance, but like all other players-they are commodities. Once the commodity looks like it’s fading-see ya later (and who cares if the team implodes).

Build a strong running game with a great offensive line, but target high end receiving weapons and pay high draft pick if you can secure a young one.

Continue adding high draft capital to the defensive front. If the draft falls a certain way, take a high end secondary player with the premium picks. Focus on cerebral players that can adjust to different offenses-especially in the secondary.

The game today did not go like most of the Philly games this year-they adjusted and took advantage of one on one matchups. No running game? No problem. Jalen also used his legs several times to good effect.

Agree! This was a complete team effort. Hurts though made some scrambled to get away from nasty pressure and made some nice throws. Held his composure after an INT and didn't let it rattle him. Absolutely no way would Dak have won that game if he were on the Eagles. The Chiefs defense would of sacked him a lot and he wouldn't of made any of those keys runs that Hurts made. Game would of been close and Chiefs would of overwhelmed him. I hope people realize it's not a just a team effort but the QB Hurts was no bus driver. From the opening kickoff he kept the Chiefs defense out on the field.

 

[Cmac]

We saw what effect an OL can have on a QB

 

[JonesBoys]

In air quotes, “the cap is real”

 

[NDGAEDE]

They need to invest in the team by obtaining more quality players. It's pretty simple. They can't sit out free agency. They have to make trades. They have to resign players at a premium.

The team will never improve if they're simply using the draft to fill the holes they've either created themselves or neglected to address.

 

[Redline360]

Game is won in the trenches. This game was just a repeat of the KC vs TB game where the DL essentially won them the game easily.

Team culture, coaches, OL/DL trenches, stopping the run, good 1-2 RB punch(only so many Barkleys, Henry's, CMC to go around). Hurts is not going to wow you with his passing skills but his ability to extend plays with his legs helps alot. He is the perfect "bus driver" for that team and fits their system perfect.

 

[GINeric]

The blame KM got on his way out of Dallas was obviously misplaced. The Chargers had buckets of issues on the offensive line (injuries and poor play), and used the fifth overall pick on their star rookie OT Joe Alt. The offense was more balanced this season, but the difference in the defense was the biggest reason for change in success.

Philly had to replace both coordinators this past offseason because the offense cratered with largely the same players as this season, save for Barkley. KC felt like all of Philly’s offense flowed through Barkley, and dedicated lots of resources to stop the run game which it did. They could not stop the passing game, and it proved to be their undoing. That game was as much about the Philly offense still moving the ball as it was the Philly defense stopping Mahomes and KC.

That game just proved KM was never the issue here. Blame Jerry if you must for the players not performing like Philly’s just did. We know blaming the players is not something lots of fans can do.

Kellen Moore was part of the problem here. Kellen Moore's in-game adjustments skills and situational football skills were absolute garbage in Dallas.

For an example..... there were times our running game was hitting for 4, 5, and 6 yards a carry. In those same games, we would have goal line and short yardage situations where we only need 2 or 3 yards to go for a first down or touchdown.....

I've seen us in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short or goal to go and Kellen Moore would call three straight pass plays or some bull**** wide receiver reverse.

Again.... if your running back is averaging 5, 6 yards a pop and you get into a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short.... what do the intelligent coordinators do? They run the damn ball!! Common sense!!!

Another quick example.... there were times where we're gashing defenses in the run game and were wearing them out late in the game. We'll be playing with the lead, then Kellen Moore would start calling and bunch of pass plays instead of continuing doing what the defense has shown they can't stop.... the damn running game!!

Intelligent coordinators like Kyle Shanahan, the Bills coordinator, and a few other top teams would keep doing what the opposing defenses can't stop. Not Kellen Moore while he was here!!

Remember when teams like the Rams, 49ers, and Bills were gashing us for 200 yards on the ground? I think Josh Allen only had like 150 passing yards because their running game was gashing us so they kept running the ball because we couldn't stop it.

If Kellen Moore was on that Bills team, do you think he would have kept sticking to what the defense couldn't stop?? Absolutely not because his situational football skills were trash.

He had no choice but to feature Saquon Barkley this season because the Eagles coaching staff would have fired him if he didn't. That's a no brainer. With that said, there are many other coordinators who would have been successful in an Eagles offense laden with the best offensive line, best running back and best wide receiving corp.

We'll see if KM can be REALLY successful without an All Star offense and let's see if he really got smarter in situational football this time.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The true MVP of the SB today was actually two groups of men- the egirls DL and egirls OL. THEY won the game. That’s the most dominant trench team I’ve seen since the 90s Cowboys.

The true MVP is Howie Roseman who has built 3 Super Bowl teams in the last 7 years with same cap resources as everyone else. Different QBs.....different coaches....... pretty near complete roster overhauls.

He is the antithesis of jerry jones.

 

[Xeven]

Dominant OL and DL can make the rest of the team great again.

 

[Johannes44]

Eagles use void contracts.

that bill will need to be paid someday.

And yet they will pay it and rebuild another championship caliber team. Almost like they can walk and chew gum at the same time. Let's face it, the Cowboys ownership isn't invested in winning. After 30 years of evidence you cannot tell me that the Jones family gives a crap about winning.

 

[CWR]

Eagles use void contracts.

that bill will need to be paid someday.

Does it matter? If winning superbowls is the goal who cares about a future debt? It's not that difficult to reset the cap, accumulate picks and re-load.

 

[Nova]

One things for certain is the fans have to stop blaming “ coaching”. Kellen Moore is a SB winning OC and the fans hated the guy here. The cowboys players just simply choke. Another thing that’s clear is the Eagles GM is the best in the league. He is very good at not only drafting but he is GREAT at structuring contracts.

I agree, Roseman is running circles around our FO. But he also lucked into Carter/Davis falling right into his lap.

This years draft haul was grea for them too, and also quite fortunate. They needed corners and corners fell to them.

Sometimes the stars just have to align.

 

[Aftershock]

What can they learn? This bum FO hasn’t learned anything in 25 years. It’s not rocket science. Spend your cap, have a good line and running game, coach your QB to not make big mistakes. The DC have done everything in complete opposite.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I agree, Roseman is running circles around our FO. But he also lucked into Carter/Davis falling right into his lap.

This years draft haul was grea for them too, and also quite fortunate. They needed corners and corners fell to them.

Sometimes the stars just have to align.

No luck involved. He drafts great college players and hires coaches who know to develop talent. You could argue that Jalen Carter was lucky bc he fell in the draft for off field reasons. But, at the time, a lot of teams were pulling Jalen off their boards. So, it was still a bold pick inside the top 10.

 

[Blitzen]

Kellen Moore was part of the problem here. Kellen Moore's in-game adjustments skills and situational football skills were absolute garbage in Dallas.

For an example..... there were times our running game was hitting for 4, 5, and 6 yards a carry. In those same games, we would have goal line and short yardage situations where we only need 2 or 3 yards to go for a first down or touchdown.....

I've seen us in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short or goal to go and Kellen Moore would call three straight pass plays or some bull**** wide receiver reverse.

Again.... if your running back is averaging 5, 6 yards a pop and you get into a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th and short.... what do the intelligent coordinators do? They run the damn ball!! Common sense!!!

Another quick example.... there were times where we're gashing defenses in the run game and were wearing them out late in the game. We'll be playing with the lead, then Kellen Moore would start calling and bunch of pass plays instead of continuing doing what the defense has shown they can't stop.... the damn running game!!

Intelligent coordinators like Kyle Shanahan, the Bills coordinator, and a few other top teams would keep doing what the opposing defenses can't stop. Not Kellen Moore while he was here!!

Remember when teams like the Rams, 49ers, and Bills were gashing us for 200 yards on the ground? I think Josh Allen only had like 150 passing yards because their running game was gashing us so they kept running the ball because we couldn't stop it.

If Kellen Moore was on that Bills team, do you think he would have kept sticking to what the defense couldn't stop?? Absolutely not because his situational football skills were trash.

He had no choice but to feature Saquon Barkley this season because the Eagles coaching staff would have fired him if he didn't. That's a no brainer. With that said, there are many other coordinators who would have been successful in an Eagles offense laden with the best offensive line, best running back and best wide receiving corp.

We'll see if KM can be REALLY successful without an All Star offense and let's see if he really got smarter in situational football this time.

LOL-whatever you say. He just got a SB ring two short years after leaving Dallas. The Philly OC from the previous year got canned with largely the same unit when the offense was going nowhere.

OC’s call two different plays on pretty much every down. The QB gets a chance to look at the opposing defense and check into which play seems to fit best. It’s on both individuals, but the QB gets a massive say in which play is actually run (before, during, and after games). It’s always been and always will be more about the Jimmies and Joes than the X’s and O’s.

All of the “best” coaches look like geniuses with elite talent. Tom Brady proved who was more necessary when he left NE, and had his success with TB while NE steadily declined. KM is no different-he’s taking the job with the biggest paycheck (if it doesn’t work out-he will go be the OC with some other team). Andy Reid never won a SB till Mahomes. Bill Walsh with Montana. Lots of others.

 

[Ozymandias]

Learn? Lmbo…the only thing our rock-headed owner and family learned was to not say “all in” during the offseason.


If they haven’t “learned” in 30 years what makes you believe they learning something now?


I love the Cowboys, but our fans gotta get real. Ain’t NOTHING changing. Nothing.