What could the Cowboys learn from the Philly team building model

Bobhaze said:
The true MVP of the SB today was actually two groups of men- the egirls DL and egirls OL. THEY won the game. That’s the most dominant trench team I’ve seen since the 90s Cowboys.
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The real true MVP of the Super Bowl might be Howie Roseman.
 
Bobhaze said:
The true MVP of the SB today was actually two groups of men- the egirls DL and egirls OL. THEY won the game. That’s the most dominant trench team I’ve seen since the 90s Cowboys.
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This Eagle team and the 90's Cowboys look eeriely similar. Both teams have (had):
--Dominant O-line
--Dominant Defense
--Overbearing run game
--Elite execution
--Fairly simple offense that is successful by out-executing opponents
--QB's considered by some as glorified bus drivers but show elite leadership
--Veteran leadership that accents team culture (don't underestimate this!!)
 
atlantacowboy said:
No luck involved. He drafts great college players and hires coaches who know to develop talent. You could argue that Jalen Carter was lucky bc he fell in the draft for off field reasons. But, at the time, a lot of teams were pulling Jalen off their boards. So, it was still a bold pick inside the top 10.
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I get what you’re saying and there’s validity to it. Like if Carter ended up on Seahawks, would he be thriving? Would he be in the headlines for behavior instead? Who knows.

But I still think luck is an appropriate word.

Both guys were the top DT prospects each year, and the Eagles just happened to be in position to get both in consecutive years.

Not only that, but those two top DT prospects style of play compliment each other as not to be a redundancy of resources, allowing them to draft both.

In addition, with fletcher cox toward the end of his career, these DTs were filling a position of need.

Furthermore the rarity of true blue chip DT prospects over the years makes this pairing especially unusual.

Basically, it would have been hard for the Eagles not to pick these guys.
 
Nova said:
I get what you’re saying and there’s validity to it. Like if Carter ended up on Seahawks, would he be thriving? Would he be in the headlines for behavior instead? Who knows.

But I still think luck is an appropriate word.

Both guys were the top DT prospects each year, and the Eagles just happened to be in position to get both in consecutive years.

Not only that, but those two top DT prospects style of play compliment each other as not to be a redundancy of resources, allowing them to draft both.

In addition, with fletcher cox toward the end of his career, these DTs were filling a position of need.

Furthermore the rarity of true blue chip DT prospects over the years makes this pairing especially unusual.

Basically, it would have been hard for the Eagles not to pick these guys.
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Carter didn't fall into their lap. They had been scouting him for 2 years and he was the top guy on their draft board. They traded up to the 9th spot when saw him falling. The Eagles don't sit back and let the draft come to them. They are the most pro-active team in the NFL.
 
Learn?? It appears Jerry and Son haven't learned anything in the last 29+ years.
 
atlantacowboy said:
Carter didn't fall into their lap. They had been scouting him for 2 years and he was the top guy on their draft board. They traded up to the 9th spot when saw him falling. The Eagles don't sit back and let the draft come to them. They are the most pro-active team in the NFL.
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Yeah, I can't think of the last time we moved up to get a pick in the 1st round that we really wanted, letting the draft come to you is a sign that you don't know personnel good enough to know when a player is good enough to move up to acquire.
 
I think a few things were obvious. Having a dominant DL will make life difficult even for the best QB in the league. It reminds me of when the Giants beat the Patriots by harassing Brady the entire game.

You need to have two capable OTs or your game plan will fail. If you watched last night, the Chiefs put two guys on Jalen Carter all night which left the DEs one on one on the weak OTs. But the Eagles also have 3 strong DTs they can rotate and not give in in the middle of the field. Having 1 defensive lineman is not enough. Imagine Micah getting 1 on 1 blocking an entire game for an entire season. He would break the sack record.

You have to run the ball against the Eagles.

When Hurts plays like he did last night, not making mistakes, not giving up the football, the Eagles are unbeatable. They have too many weapons, and they are too strong in the trenches. The Chiefs took away Barkley and the running game, but Hurts beat them with his feet, and used Barkley as a receiver.
 
Blitzen said:
Lines of scrimmage are the foundation to winning the game. QB’s have some importance, but like all other players-they are commodities. Once the commodity looks like it’s fading-see ya later (and who cares if the team implodes).

Build a strong running game with a great offensive line, but target high end receiving weapons and pay high draft pick if you can secure a young one.

Continue adding high draft capital to the defensive front. If the draft falls a certain way, take a high end secondary player with the premium picks. Focus on cerebral players that can adjust to different offenses-especially in the secondary.

The game today did not go like most of the Philly games this year-they adjusted and took advantage of one on one matchups. No running game? No problem. Jalen also used his legs several times to good effect.
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Well said, build the trenches, and make sure we can stop the run and run the ball. The Jones' mindset and approach were dead wrong, and it was predictable. They need to fix it. Chop chop Jerry
 
That many of Kirby Smart's Georgia defensive players have the ability to succeed at the pro level.
If they consistently showed out at the SEC level they are worth the risk of drafting.
 
atlantacowboy said:
Carter didn't fall into their lap. They had been scouting him for 2 years and he was the top guy on their draft board. They traded up to the 9th spot when saw him falling. The Eagles don't sit back and let the draft come to them. They are the most pro-active team in the NFL.
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To be clear, I think their FO is doing a phenomenal job. Absolutely phenomenal.

Can’t remember who said it, but read on CZ today that the Philly trenches remind them of the early 90s Cowboys and I could not agree more.

But they traded up one spot to get Carter, basically only losing a 4th. Savvy move and credit to them, but I still think that’s a pretty fortunate.
 
Nova said:
To be clear, I think their FO is doing a phenomenal job. Absolutely phenomenal.

Can’t remember who said it, but read on CZ today that the Philly trenches remind them of the early 90s Cowboys and I could not agree more.

But they traded up one spot to get Carter, basically only losing a 4th. Savvy move and credit to them, but I still think that’s a pretty fortunate.
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They traded up to make sure nobody jumped them, Smart move.
 
plymkr said:
I agree but that’s not the point of the thread. Eagles dominated the trenches today and that’s why they won. They’ve won 2 Super Bowls in the last decade and both Super Bowls were won by defense. They beat Mahomes in his prime and Brady in his prime. Defense wins championships.

Our “model” is to get a great offense to set up our defense. We need to reverse that. We need a defense that will take pressure off the offense.

We’re building our team backwards. Tonight’s game was a great example of winning in the trenches. Everyone expected, especially me, that the Chiefs would come out and open it up and get a lead and the Eagles would be playing catch up. The exact opposite happened. The Eagles frustrated Mahomes by dominating the trenches and the Chiefs couldn’t get going.

Our team building philosophy is fundamentally flawed. We need to beef up the trenches, especially on defense.
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Great post.
 
Yes, the Eagles will have some hard decisions coming up given their use of void years but a few things to consider. People said they would struggle after the 2017 SB because they had some old, bad contracts then. But they didn't and within a few years, they were back in the SB. So while I expect a drop off in a few years, they likely won't be as bad as people think (cough, cough, our two idiot GMs). And let's be honest, who wouldn't trade a few down years for what Philly has done over the last 8 seasons? 3 SBs, two wins?

Roseman and Philly saw a window and they exploited it. Jerry simply wastes windows. He should have been pulling a Howie Roseman back in the 2016-2020ish seasons when he had a good OL and QB on a rookie contract. He didn't and we wasted those years (and players in their prime).

This franchise is cooked.
 
Sydla said:
Yes, the Eagles will have some hard decisions coming up given their use of void years but a few things to consider. People said they would struggle after the 2017 SB because they had some old, bad contracts then. But they didn't and within a few years, they were back in the SB. So while I expect a drop off in a few years, they likely won't be as bad as people think (cough, cough, our two idiot GMs). And let's be honest, who wouldn't trade a few down years for what Philly has done over the last 8 seasons? 3 SBs, two wins?

Roseman and Philly saw a window and they exploited it. Jerry simply wastes windows. He should have been pulling a Howie Roseman back in the 2016-2020ish seasons when he had a good OL and QB on a rookie contract. He didn't and we wasted those years (and players in their prime).

This franchise is cooked.
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Not just cooked, but burned
 
birdwells1 said:
Yeah, I can't think of the last time we moved up to get a pick in the 1st round that we really wanted, letting the draft come to you is a sign that you don't know personnel good enough to know when a player is good enough to move up to acquire.
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Morris Claiborne 2012 draft. Which explains why. The Cowboys used to make lots of headlines to start the free agency period. They just sucked at it worse than they miss in the draft.
 
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