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Q: "What could we get for Lawrence and Cooper?"
The #1 pick in the 2020 draft lol
Q: "What could we get for Lawrence and Cooper?"
Lot to consider there. I see lots that is to be liked and respected.The mean girls are the moron girls. I consider it a useful public service to smoke them out with this thread.
You can trade anyone. Especially for us, still trying to put a contender together. It's not like we're taking Brady off of NE. When you're winning SBs, maybe you want to ride that train as long as you can. Sadly, we are not subject to that constraint on our trades. We just need to keep building value.
The premise of trade is getting back the value that you give. If the guys we're trading are so fantabulous, we should get fantabulous trade value out of them.
The fundamental issue for me here is that the top free agent level guys are often just overpriced on their eventual contracts, and especially overpriced for their trade value in a short term contract.
I see more value in trading for the picks plus the signings of actual free agents with all the leftover money. Which is like 90% of the contract after you've paid your draft picks.
Another consideration is that if we have more quality players coming up for free agency than we have the money to keep, it's important to extract value out of some as you let them go.
Guys I'm happy to pay: the cornerstone positions, for guys without red flags on performance, injury history, or age. The oline qualified on all counts (not Collins, but that was a weird deal).
If DLaw didn't have red flags on injury or performance, I'd be all in on him. The new crop of potential signings all have issues. And we seem to have more than we can sign. Given the kind of overpriced trade compensation people say they expect for them, churn em.
That is reason to laugh because it's so ridiculous. Though, trading 2 contributors for 1 is the kind of engineering I expect from you armchair GMs.The #1 pick in the 2020 draft lol
They can control Cooper with the tag if they won't need it elsewhere. We've got a lot of balls in the air right now.
Trying to force Tank to play under the tag looks like an inevitable train wreck. How much can he screw us around with the shoulder injury, with no cost to himself? I'd think a lot.
Your consistency stats look like some cherry picking.
Throw out the best game without Cooper and the worst game with Cooper.
Also, the 27 threshold just happens to keep one 26 before Cooper out, and 2 27s with Coop in.
I grant Cooper is our best WR. And our offense is better with him than without. Of course.
Do you plan on paying the oline, Zeke, Dak, and Cooper?
How many big contracts will that leave for the defense?
My issue with Cooper isn't his play, but putting huge resources into a WR when we're already dumping tons into the offense and soon will be dumping tons more.
Lawrence has had constant nagging injury problems and he refuses to have surgery to correct his current problem. This only hurts the team. He also disappears for several games at a time. He only started trying when he thought that a big contract was coming. He also expects to be paid like the best defender in the league. Trading him eliminates this drama. I doubt he would bring a first round pick in a trade. Before breaking the bank for him, trade him and let another team overpay.Cooper isn't going anywhere but if Dallas makes a couple more moves along the defensive line, I would not be shocked to see Lawrence traded during the draft..
2 more first round picks and around 35mil extra to spend in free agency? Think of all the players we could sign with that 35mil.
4 nine mil free agents *and* two first round picks.
vs.
Lawrence and Cooper
We aren't going 1-15 with that.
Wise words from the Wise CorsoThis man is a heavy-hitter.
Y'all better recognize.
Problem: Lawrence is injured and wants a huge contract, Gregory probably isn't back this year, and now Crawford has issues. DE is looking bad for us, with a great dline draft.
Solution?: Flip Cooper. Trade Lawrence. Use picks for the dline. Free up 40mil per year.
Question: Could we get a 1st out of each? Maybe a 1st plus?
We gave up a first for Cooper. And I think he's exceeded expectations. Shouldn't he be worth more now?
If you thought that giving up a 1st for Cooper was a good deal for us last year, shouldn't it be an even better deal now for the team we trade Cooper to?
And for Lawrence, wasn't he considered in the top few free agents in the league? I'd expect that to net more than Cooper.
*If* you think the Cooper deal was good for us, shouldn't we get two 1sts plus out of trading Cooper and Lawrence?
I'd be happy with that with a dline heavy draft to build with.
Problem: Lawrence is injured and wants a huge contract, Gregory probably isn't back this year, and now Crawford has issues. DE is looking bad for us, with a great dline draft.
Solution?: Flip Cooper. Trade Lawrence. Use picks for the dline. Free up 40mil per year.
Question: Could we get a 1st out of each? Maybe a 1st plus?
We gave up a first for Cooper. And I think he's exceeded expectations. Shouldn't he be worth more now?
If you thought that giving up a 1st for Cooper was a good deal for us last year, shouldn't it be an even better deal now for the team we trade Cooper to?
And for Lawrence, wasn't he considered in the top few free agents in the league? I'd expect that to net more than Cooper.
*If* you think the Cooper deal was good for us, shouldn't we get two 1sts plus out of trading Cooper and Lawrence?
I'd be happy with that with a dline heavy draft to build with.
Or here's a crazier idea. Keep Cooper and Lawrence.
Trade a late round pick for Quinn. And since this is a historically deep draft at DL, draft a starting caliber DE or DT in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Problem: Lawrence is injured and wants a huge contract, Gregory probably isn't back this year, and now Crawford has issues. DE is looking bad for us, with a great dline draft.
Solution?: Flip Cooper. Trade Lawrence. Use picks for the dline. Free up 40mil per year.
Question: Could we get a 1st out of each? Maybe a 1st plus?
We gave up a first for Cooper. And I think he's exceeded expectations. Shouldn't he be worth more now?
If you thought that giving up a 1st for Cooper was a good deal for us last year, shouldn't it be an even better deal now for the team we trade Cooper to?
And for Lawrence, wasn't he considered in the top few free agents in the league? I'd expect that to net more than Cooper.
*If* you think the Cooper deal was good for us, shouldn't we get two 1sts plus out of trading Cooper and Lawrence?
I'd be happy with that with a dline heavy draft to build with.
Pretty dumb ideaProblem: Lawrence is injured and wants a huge contract, Gregory probably isn't back this year, and now Crawford has issues. DE is looking bad for us, with a great dline draft.
Solution?: Flip Cooper. Trade Lawrence. Use picks for the dline. Free up 40mil per year.
Question: Could we get a 1st out of each? Maybe a 1st plus?
We gave up a first for Cooper. And I think he's exceeded expectations. Shouldn't he be worth more now?
If you thought that giving up a 1st for Cooper was a good deal for us last year, shouldn't it be an even better deal now for the team we trade Cooper to?
And for Lawrence, wasn't he considered in the top few free agents in the league? I'd expect that to net more than Cooper.
*If* you think the Cooper deal was good for us, shouldn't we get two 1sts plus out of trading Cooper and Lawrence?
I'd be happy with that with a dline heavy draft to build with.
One is a premiere pass rusher, one is a WR who had 2 and half big games for us.
I go with the premier pass rusher and I don't even need to think about it.
We wouldn't get guarantees with our own players either.One small problem with this theory, there is no gurantee the players that you a) draft will be good enough and b) the FA players you are throwing $$ will perform.