What do you see with the OL roster?

[Mac_MaloneV1]

As I said, I have seen the metrics they just don't line up with what I saw.

I don't understand how anyone could watch last year and think the OL wasn't problematic lol

 

[McKDaddy]

Yeah whipped, Bosa had 2 pressures and no sacks and Pollard was starting to gouge them before he broke his leg.
It was a good battle but whipped? Absolutely not

Not just that game but I can't really remember them getting beaten over the course of an entire game. Maybe the first Philly game? I don't remember clearly enough to say.

SF absolutely started out with some wins but then they seemed to figure it out and settle in.

 

[McKDaddy]

I don't understand how anyone could watch last year and think the OL wasn't problematic lol

Well, it's pretty simple really. QB's got off a lot of passes where the rush had nothing to do with the play and threw for almost 4,000 yards. Also, Dak leaves some meat on the bone. The running game had 2,298 or 135.2\game. The offense finished in the top 10 in yardage for teams that played 17 games. And even when facing a stiff SF front in the playoffs, it would not be fair to say that the OL got whipped. They won some & lost some but overall the game did not tilt against the Cowboys because of their play. The stats show we gave up 27 sacks on the season but #4 causes some of those & of course Rush isn't going to evade many (I think 7 were on him. Mostly the Philly game if I remember correctly).

So, the one area I would criticize the OL was their ability to root people out. Especially the right side after Steele went down. We couldn't consistently grind out the hard yards to keep the down & distances favorable & defenses honest.

Could they have been better? Sure. Were they a problem? No. Most of the league would have traded lines in a heartbeat.

 

[Jarntt]

NFCE Oline ranking

Well The Landry Hat thinks we're doing just fine. (Got there by clicking a link about something else & saw this)

#4 Washington
#3 Philly
#2 NY
#1 Dallas

So I guess we're just a bunch of paranoid worry-warts.

Interesting. To me that on it's surface is one of the odder rankings I've seen. IMO, I don't see how the Eagles are anything but the top OL in the entire league, let alone the NFCE. Almost their entire success on offense is based on it. They have a couple of backups that look to be pretty good too, as well as perhaps the best OL coach in the league.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Well, it's pretty simple really. QB's got off a lot of passes where the rush had nothing to do with the play and threw for almost 4,000 yards. Also, Dak leaves some meat on the bone. The running game had 2,298 or 135.2\game. The offense finished in the top 10 in yardage for teams that played 17 games. And even when facing a stiff SF front in the playoffs, it would not be fair to say that the OL got whipped. They won some & lost some but overall the game did not tilt against the Cowboys because of their play. The stats show we gave up 27 sacks on the season but #4 causes some of those & of course Rush isn't going to evade many (I think 7 were on him. Mostly the Philly game if I remember correctly).

So, the one area I would criticize the OL was their ability to root people out. Especially the right side after Steele went down. We couldn't consistently grind out the hard yards to keep the down & distances favorable & defenses honest.

Could they have been better? Sure. Were they a problem? No. Most of the league would have traded lines in a heartbeat.

Saying this independent of context doesn't make much sense. By this logic, 20-something OLs in the league aren't a problem.

You're wrong about Dak taking sacks, he is one of the best QBs in the league at avoiding pressure. 4th in EPA/play when pressured, 5th in sack rate when pressured, 2nd in sack rate when blitzed.

 

[ChuckA1]

I predict they lose Bass if he's placed on the PS. Maybe I'm overestimating his abilities. We'll see

 

[Jarntt]

Who do you see?

I see Smith, Smith, Badass, Martin, Steele, Waletzko, Farniok, Edoga, Richards, with Bostick and Bass on the PS.

Your picks?

Based on the current roster, I like your group to make the 53 assuming it's 9 guys and not 10, but if that is also a ranking of the backups, I put Edoga as the top backup. Waletzko is a complete unknown. I think the hype he is getting the last couple of weeks on this board is bizarre. I hope he earns it, but he really hasn't done anything yet. Did he get stronger from last year? People are spinning him practicing at OG as a positive. With his frame it reads to me like trying to find out if he can be a last man to make the roster type with some added flexibility, not something that leads me to believe the team thinks he is going to be the main backup somewhere and step in as a starter for more than the rest of that particular week if injury strikes.

My bet though is at least one roster guy isn't even on the team right now. I think we add to the OL before week 1.

 

[McKDaddy]

Saying this independent of context doesn't make much sense. By this logic, 20-something OLs in the league aren't a problem.

You're wrong about Dak taking sacks, he is one of the best QBs in the league at avoiding pressure. 4th in EPA/play when pressured, 5th in sack rate when pressured, 2nd in sack rate when blitzed.

Independent of what context? It's actual performance over a full season .... compared to every other team in the league. I think it more accurately says the top 10-12 offenses by definition have some of the best olines. The remaining 20 are the ones who almost certainly have "problems".

Guess we will just agree to disagree. I "see" him hold the ball when he knows or should know time is running out. A simple throw away, like other QB's reduces the sacks "charged" to the OL.

 

[Jarntt]

Again, Torrence is not athletic enough to play in a zone heavy scheme.

I'm not saying I wish we drafted Torrence instead of Schoonmaker (full disclosure I probably would have if picking only between the two), but I disagree with this comment. Zone blocking schemes nowadays aren't anything like what they used to be. A lot of the time it's simply sliding left or right as a group. Yes, you are on the move when blocking still, but it's much simpler and less nimbleness and agility is required and using the term zone blocking and picturing the scheme and the type of OL you need for it is a little misleading IMO. But, I do believe he would excel more in a power blocking scheme. Most teams run hybrid schemes. We of course do, but last year we were much more weighted to the zone blocking side of things of course. Solari hasn't been as dedicated to zone blocking as Philbin and neither has Schottenheimer. I'm thinking we will be hybrid again and probably a little more zone blocking than not, but I expect a lot more power blocking concepts this year as well. I also expect a lot more PAP and a lot of similar OL looks with different play calls to make it less obvious what we are doing like many other team seem to run also. I think things will be simpler and I think that will include the OL looks.

 

[Jarntt]

Schoonmaker looks solid.

I'm not saying he won't be good, but when did he look solid exactly? They haven't even put shoulder pads on yet and he was in a walking boot for part of OTAs

 

[ESisback]

You mean you only like to discuss your rosey reflection of everything?

You asked me to explain my concerns and i did so with plenty of facts and reasoning.

Which you chose to insult my opinion.

Ill take your rude comeback as a sign you cant dispute any of it.

My rosy reflection, or your endless misery? Guess which one I pick? Why is constant negative called facts and reasons, but unflagging positivity is merely daydreams without substance?

 

[rambo2]

I'm not saying he won't be good, but when did he look solid exactly? They haven't even put shoulder pads on yet and he was in a walking boot for part of OTAs

He looked solid at Michigan. He can do everything as a tight end. That is why he went so high.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm not saying I wish we drafted Torrence instead of Schoonmaker (full disclosure I probably would have if picking only between the two), but I disagree with this comment. Zone blocking schemes nowadays aren't anything like what they used to be. A lot of the time it's simply sliding left or right as a group. Yes, you are on the move when blocking still, but it's much simpler and less nimbleness and agility is required and using the term zone blocking and picturing the scheme and the type of OL you need for it is a little misleading IMO. But, I do believe he would excel more in a power blocking scheme. Most teams run hybrid schemes. We of course do, but last year we were much more weighted to the zone blocking side of things of course. Solari hasn't been as dedicated to zone blocking as Philbin and neither has Schottenheimer. I'm thinking we will be hybrid again and probably a little more zone blocking than not, but I expect a lot more power blocking concepts this year as well. I also expect a lot more PAP and a lot of similar OL looks with different play calls to make it less obvious what we are doing like many other team seem to run also. I think things will be simpler and I think that will include the OL looks.

Solari & Schottenheimer run more than a third Outside Zone, another third of Inside Zone, and the rest is gap/man. So no, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[big dog cowboy]

passing on Torrence may come back to bite them

 

[rambo2]

I get what your saying but this staff decided that because TJ Watt plays with his hand on the ground or wouldnt hold up in 4-3 I cant remember which it was that it was better to draft Taco. it will be interesting to watch how their careers go. Many wanted Slater over Parsons but they made the right pick there

This staff? The Cowboy organization was not interested in Torrence period and they have done very well with drafting offensive linemen.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I get what your saying but this staff decided that because TJ Watt plays with his hand on the ground or wouldnt hold up in 4-3 I cant remember which it was that it was better to draft Taco.

There were concerns about Watt's knee also. Many forget that.

 

[starfan1]

There were concerns about Watt's knee also. Many forget that.

I mean they drafted jaylon smith they can’t be incredibly concerned with knees. It’s over it’s water under bridge but the war room is not without a warts still

The parsons pick appears to be generational but we’ll see

 

[Jarntt]

Solari & Schottenheimer run more than a third Outside Zone, another third of Inside Zone, and the rest is gap/man. So no, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You seem to be just making crap up. Do you know how many different systems Solari has been in to try and define so simply what he is from a percentage perspective?

On Schottenheimer your numbers are off as he ran more inside zone than outside zone in his last stint so check your facts. He ran over 40% inside zone in Seattle and before Seattle if you want to go back to that he closer to an even mix of zone and gap. One of his biggest things is as I said to set up the PAP. i suspect you realize that different teams and personnel lead to different breakdowns and especially when neither BS or Solari is even calling plays for us, so of course you knew that. Unfortunately I don't see Lynch in his prime lining up for our team next year So if you think our Offense will match theirs and especially since he isn’t even expected to call plays you are nuts.

 

[rambo2]

I mean they drafted jaylon smith they can’t be incredibly concerned with knees. It’s over it’s water under bridge but the war room is not without a warts still

The parsons pick appears to be generational but we’ll see

The Cowboys are an excellent drafting team. One of the best in the game today. That's why they have won 25 games in the last 2 years and are a contender this year.

 

[CCBoy]

Looks good. Broaddus seems to think Josh Ball would get the nod over Edoga but I don't see it. Maybe they keep 10 with Ball but I'd keep Bass.

My question on Ball is although he has an attitude he brings to work, does he keep it additionally focused on results also.