OmerV
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Because that's not what the Cowboys are offering.And yet, no deal.
Because that's not what the Cowboys are offering.And yet, no deal.
Because that's not what the Cowboys are offering.
Fair enough, I can't say this with certainty. But it does seem that the most consistent story has been that length of contract is the sticking point, and I recall Jerry or Stephen saying after the season that their goal was to sign Dak for a longer than other QBs signed for.And you have proof of this?
Fair enough, I can't say this with certainty. But it does seem that the most consistent story has been that length of contract is the sticking point, and I recall Jerry or Stephen saying after the season that their goal was to sign Dak for a longer than other QBs signed for.
No, the extension just added 4 years to Wentz and Goff's contract. They still had 2 years left on their rookie deals. Of course, because they got a signing bonus up front they did get some money up front, which, as you indicated, helped the team spread the cap hit over 6 years rather than just the 4 year extension period, but that's a benefit on the team side. From the player's standpoint the extension just added 4 years of team control above what their rookie contract called for.I do believe it is length of contract as well, I just want to make the point that we have no confirmed details. I believe the team has offered int he area of 35 AAV, 105/110 guaranteed for 5 years. I also believe that Dak's camp does not want to sign a 5 year deal. I do not agree with the statement that it is like Wentz and Goff. Those deals were both extensions and that's a huge difference. They were added on to remaining years the team already had each player under contract for. I believe that the extension provided 6 years and that's huge when you are trying to manage your cap. Big, big difference in terms of both money and years.
No, the extension just added 4 years to Wentz and Goff's contract. They still had 2 years left on their rookie deals. Of course, because they got a signing bonus up front they did get some money up front, which, as you indicated, helped the team spread the cap hit over 6 years rather than just the 4 year extension period, but that's a benefit on the team side. From the player's standpoint the extension just added 4 years of team control above what their rookie contract called for.
Yes, that's exactly what I said in my previous post so yes, more years to work with and less AAV spread out over more years. Look at the contracts of each player. See how money was moved around to alleviate cap hit. The team can't look at this from the perspective of the players and while I understand that players want to negotiate the best deal, I can't side with that and I see it as irresponsible for the team to agree any deal that compromises it's ability to manage the cap. These are not the same deals. You can't say that they are because Dak has no additional years with which to work with. The team can not use additional years to help spread out the cap hit. We would have to absorb the money in few years which, in and of itself, proves that they are not the same.
More than them, but that wasn't the point, OV.Which would put him in the range of Goff and Wentz.
Dak looks like he got his cake and ate it too.. That's ask Putty @waldoputty
Sounds like it might be tough to make it on 35 million a year, but tell Dak he can clip coupons.More than them, but that wasn't the point, OV.
I think the offer is already right around 35/yr, so to have had 35+ as the very highest option wasn't balanced...imo.
It kind of overlaps both their offer and, by adding the plus, his ask. Maybe a 36-40 range option and then a 41+ option?
But it's irrelevant. Just splitting hairs
Fwiw, I read today that Dallas has raised the guaranteed money to over 110--so the highest ever.
But they haven't quite reached Wilson per year money--which is 35--but instead are right below it.
So higher than Goff and Wentz but very slightly lower than Wilson.
It's now supposedly about 5 years, high 34s/yr ("above 34 but just under 35 that Wilson gets") and 110+ guaranteedthe exact one he was offered at seasons end 33/105 5years..thats it..
Slightly more than them on the annual pay, but not on guaranteed pay, which is more important. Of course, if they get to $110 that would be slightly higher, but still, it's for 5 years of team control instead of 4.More than them, but that wasn't the point, OV.
I think the offer is already right around 35/yr, so to have had 35+ as the very highest option wasn't balanced...imo.
It kind of overlaps both their offer and, by adding the plus, his ask. Maybe a 36-40 range option and then a 41+ option?
But it's irrelevant. Just splitting hairs
Fwiw, I read today that Dallas has raised the guaranteed money to over 110--so the highest ever.
But they haven't quite reached Wilson per year money--which is 35--but instead are right below it.
So higher than Goff and Wentz but very slightly lower than Wilson.
110+ is higher than them. At David Moore said today they guaranteed offer now tops any player--including goof and Wentz.Slightly more than them on the annual pay, but not on guaranteed pay, which is more important. Of course, if they get to $110 that would be slightly higher, but still, it's for 5 years of team control instead of 4.
I answered that. I have no opinion on whether Dak should sign or not sign the deal. I think he should do whatever he believes is in his best interest. I hope they come to an agreement and aren't stuck with a QB playing on the tag.I don't think the Cowboys should increase the 5th year. I think they should put the deal they believe is fair and ride with that. It would seem that that deal is 35 AAV, which I would agree with. I believe that's more then fair, to be honest. More then I would pay but Jerry has always overpaid players so I guess I'm not really surprised. I would not pay the extra for the 5th year. I see no reason to do it really. I think you just put that deal out there and let that be the offer or let Dak ride on the tag.
Fact is, I haven't really seen anything under 30 discussed since early on in the extension talk (2018), which never took place. Since, it's always been in the 30 to 35 area but that's only what I remember. I mean, it could have happened, this under 30 stuff but I can't say that I really remember it much. Certainly in most of the recent threads, it's never been anything close to that number.
So again, if the offer is 35 AAV over 5 years, say 110 guaranteed, you are of the opinion that Dak should sign that deal? Is that your opinion or do I have that wrong?
It's too late to do what they should have done. They should have tagged him with the non-exclusive tag and let that play out as it would.Give Dak a juice bar at the stadium as an incentive. Money talks, govnor. Right you are.
Agree , but still think 35 mil is very high . Dak is worth 15-20 mil max . Given Andy dalton agreed to play ar 3 mil , 35 mil seems super crazy.I don't think the Cowboys should increase the 5th year. I think they should put the deal they believe is fair and ride with that. It would seem that that deal is 35 AAV, which I would agree with. I believe that's more then fair, to be honest. More then I would pay but Jerry has always overpaid players so I guess I'm not really surprised. I would not pay the extra for the 5th year. I see no reason to do it really. I think you just put that deal out there and let that be the offer or let Dak ride on the tag.
Fact is, I haven't really seen anything under 30 discussed since early on in the extension talk (2018), which never took place. Since, it's always been in the 30 to 35 area but that's only what I remember. I mean, it could have happened, this under 30 stuff but I can't say that I really remember it much. Certainly in most of the recent threads, it's never been anything close to that number.
So again, if the offer is 35 AAV over 5 years, say 110 guaranteed, you are of the opinion that Dak should sign that deal? Is that your opinion or do I have that wrong?