What grade would you give defensive drafting under Garrett (2011-16)?

[Zman5]

With a craptastic offensive line, it didn't matter one iota.

So you want to blame the FO and the DC for the bad defensive draft and not JG? Guess who was the OC when we had that "craptasict" OL?

 

[erod]

I'm still waiting on that medical evidence.

I'm still waiting on a salient point.

 

[erod]

So you want to blame the FO and the DC for the bad defensive draft.? Guess who was the OC when we had that "craptasict" OL?

Garrett, who has about a 2% say in who the team drafts.

General managers handle the draft, not the coaches.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

We all need to come to terms with the real fact that Dez is a very limited player physically and intellectually. He's big and strong and competitive like few others. But he's a very average route runner with limited speed and no ability to learn defenses or precise routes.

There's a reason the only QB that throws his way much is Romo. The others have no idea where he's going.

I think you're wrong....I think Garrett and his coaching are the problem.

 

[CATCH17]

We all need to come to terms with the real fact that Dez is a very limited player physically and intellectually. He's big and strong and competitive like few others. But he's a very average route runner with limited speed and no ability to learn defenses or precise routes.

There's a reason the only QB that throws his way much is Romo. The others have no idea where he's going.

What about TO and Miles who also got used the same way?


We've seen Dez do stuff like this before.





So I don't get why implying that he is dumb validates not getting the ball in his hands for things other than jump balls.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Garrett, who has about a 2% say in who the team drafts.

It that's the case, don't credit him with the making of the OLine.

 

[erod]

It that's the case, don't credit him with the making of the OLine.

He specifically talked Jerry into letting Gurode go. He convinced Jerry to stop signing the Kyle Kosiers and Leonard Davises and the like.

Jerry would NEVER draft offensive linemen high. Now he's taken three. That's ALL Jason Garrett's influence.

 

[Zman5]

Garrett, who has about a 2% say in who the team drafts.

General managers handle the draft, not the coaches.

Yet you want to give JG the credit for making this roster younger.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Witten hasn't been that guy in several years. Today, he's average at best. His blocking Sunday was embarrassing.

so why does Garrett insist on building his offense around him? That is the offense we run now, let Dez and Williams take off deep on every pass play to clear out the middle for Beasely and Witten's 5-9 yard catch and run. Witten will probably have over a hundred catches if Garrett continues to run the offense like he is, and will probably score 2 TDs with all those catches.

 

[erod]

What about TO and Miles who also got used the same way?


We've seen Dez do stuff like this before.





So I don't get why implying that he is dumb validates not getting the ball in his hands for things other than jump balls.

With Romo you have. He understands how to use Dez like no other QB.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Youre right, bro. I mean, look at how healthy Romo is now playing behind the best line in the league.

Ouch. That was good one

 

[Mr Cowboy]

With Romo you have. He understands how to use Dez like no other QB.

well then the HC coach needs to be fired if his whole offense is dependent on Romo and only Romo to run it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

6 drafts
27 players
16 career ints (14 w/ Boys)
29.5 career sacks (27.5 w/ Boys)
0 Pro Bowls
18 games - suspension


2011- 6 ints, 5 sacks (career #'s)

• Bruce Carter (2)
• Josh Thomas (5)

2012- 3 ints, 11.5 sacks

• Morris Claiborne (1)
• Tyrone Crawford (3)
• Kyle Wilber (4)
• Matt Johnson (4)
• Caleb McSurdy (7)

2013- 5 ints, 2 sacks

• JJ Wilcox (3)
• BW Webb (4)
• Devonte Holloman (6)

2014- 2 ints, 11 sacks

• Demarcus Lawrence (2)
• Anthony Hitchens (4)
• Ben Gardner (7)
• Will Smith (7)
• Ahmad Dixon (7)
• Ken Bishop (7)
• Terrance Mitchell (7)

2015- 0 ints, 0 sacks

• Byron Jones (1)
• Randy Gregory (2)
• Damien Wilson (4)
• Ryan Russell (5)
• Mark Nzeocha (7)

2016- 0 ints, 0 sacks

• Jaylon Smith (2)
• Maliek Collins (3)
• Charles Tapper (4)
• Anthony Brown (6)
• Kavon Frazier (6)

Thanks for doing that. I'm tired of drafting junky defensive players. Let's get some 1 st rd blue chippers and 1-2 top tier FAs in here on defense. Strong, sturdy, productive guys.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I'm still waiting on a salient point.

You tend to miss them so it's not surprising

 

[zrinkill]

F-

G+

 

[Zordon]

There are five players left from what he inherited: Romo, Witten, Lee, Scandrick, and Free.

Sounds like a 50s Celtics team.

You forgot Dez and Tyron. 7 starters remaining from 2011. I don't count 2010.

Packers have only 6 starters remaining from their 2011 team yet have found a way to constantly reload.

What's the excuse?

Great franchises like the Patriots/Packers are starting to lap us with a new cast of players since the Garrett "process" started.

Meanwhile bottom dwellers like the Jags/Texans/Vikings started the "process" after us but are on the verge of passing us.

You have to be insane to defend this crap.

 

[TheDude]

Isn't this a Jerry/Stephen/McClay question? Garrett isn't the primary influencer on draft picks.

However, when Garrett got there, the offensive line was pathetic, the defense was ancient, special teams were a mess, and the backfield was Barber and Jones.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Next offseason will be ALL defense.

After 4 years, rookie contracts expire. Results should be within 1-3 years max

 

[Zordon]

Does anybody actually believe Mike McCarthy or any Packers fan is sitting around in 2016 thinking about how their roster in 2010 or 2011 is affecting them right now? My God...I can't.....

 

[erod]

Yet you want to give JG the credit for making this roster younger.

Yep.

Garrett got rid of the Gurodes, Brookings, Sensabaughs, Kosiers, Davises, Olshanskys, etc. He wanted a young team, which is what he has now. That doesn't mean he picked the specific players.

 

[TheDude]

I'm not claiming Garrett to be any all-time great coach. I do know he inherited a steaming pile of farm animal droppings.

Where does this myth come from