What I think happens on Wednesday

[SultanOfSix]

It's correct that at one time teams could take an assistant under contract with another team, but the rule was changed because of blatant abuse. Now a team can make any assistant honor his contract unless the assistant is being hired as head coach by another team.

This doesn't make sense. Then you can label any position coach an assistant coach and not allow them to go to another team.

And that doesn't allow any upward movement except to a head coach position, which hardly ever occurs unless you're a coordinator. So, you could name all of your lower level coaches assistant coaches and not worry about them going anywhere unless they're a top level coordinator.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

All your lower level coaches are assistant coaches. Many times, teams will allow their assistant coaches to interview for an upward move -- or a lateral move, if the team isn't that keen to keep the coach -- but they aren't compelled to do it, and some times they don't. My guess is that the 49ers won't allow Singletary unless, for some reason, they don't care if he leaves.

 

[Kalyan]

I still think Garrett will be the next head coach. Jerry is exploring all options instead of just naming Garrett HC after his interview.

If we make a decent run next year with any of the other candidates, and say some team offers 5-6 mil/yr to Garrett, we will lose him like Payton and I don't think Jerry will take that risk.

Just my hunch

HC - Garrett
OC - Sporano
DC - Bowles

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You must have forgotten that performance the non tough guy put up on Turkey Day when he pretty much spanked the Pack.

It was a good game but he was what he was.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I tend to agree with you.

 

[dbair1967]

We could go back to 5-11 seasons, instead of being on the cusp of making a run.

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when we were 5-11 with Campo, we clearly had nothing better than 5-11 talent...I dont care how good a coach you are, if you have NO talent you wont do well...Landry is arguably one of the greatest two or three coaches of all time, and he lost 13 games in his last season...Jimmy Johnson did one of the great coaching jobs ever here, and he lost 15 games his 1st yr...Bill Belichick's career was dotted with double digit loss seasons...

all these "its the end of the world because Norv will be HC" people need to get a grip...Turner might not be a great HC, but the team he would coach here is vastly more talented than the teams he had in Washington and Oakland

David

 

[Dave_in-NC]

when we were 5-11 with Campo, we clearly had nothing better than 5-11 talent...I dont care how good a coach you are, if you have NO talent you wont do well...Landry is arguably one of the greatest two or three coaches of all time, and he lost 13 games in his last season...Jimmy Johnson did one of the great coaching jobs ever here, and he lost 15 games his 1st yr...Bill Belichick's career was dotted with double digit loss seasons...

all these "its the end of the world because Norv will be HC" people need to get a grip...Turner might not be a great HC, but the team he would coach here is vastly more talented than the teams he had in Washington and Oakland

David

Which is some people point. Nothing Norv touches as a head Coach turns to gold. He could take a team on the cusp back. Not sure that's a good thing.

All the complaining about lame duck coaching, this could very well be a bigger lame duck.

 

[dbair1967]

Which is some people point. Nothing Norv touches as a head Coach turns to gold. He could take a team on the cusp back. Not sure that's a good thing.

All the complaining about lame duck coaching, this could very well be a bigger lame duck.

has he ever coached a team on the cusp? seriously...the Raiders? he inherited a truly pathetic team there...he inherited a total rebuilding job in Washington and improved from 3 to 6 to 9 wins his first 3 yrs...he did get them to the playoffs eventually, came within a botched snap of an NFC Championship game, had his team in position to win another division title and inexplicably got fired with a 7-6 record

I agree about the lame duck thing, but if he does well he'll get to stay...if he doesnt, he is one and done

David

 

[Rack]

when we were 5-11 with Campo, we clearly had nothing better than 5-11 talent...I dont care how good a coach you are, if you have NO talent you wont do well...Landry is arguably one of the greatest two or three coaches of all time, and he lost 13 games in his last season...Jimmy Johnson did one of the great coaching jobs ever here, and he lost 15 games his 1st yr...Bill Belichick's career was dotted with double digit loss seasons...

all these "its the end of the world because Norv will be HC" people need to get a grip...Turner might not be a great HC, but the team he would coach here is vastly more talented than the teams he had in Washington and Oakland

David

You missed the point.

Yes, if you don't have talent you likely won't win.

But you could have all the talent in the world and end up 5-11 with bad coaching.


Norv Turner = bad HC.

 

[dbair1967]

You missed the point.

Yes, if you don't have talent you likely won't win.

But you could have all the talent in the world and end up 5-11 with bad coaching.


Norv Turner = bad HC.

did he ever have good talent and end up 5-11? thats my point

David

 

[VA Cowboy]

all these "its the end of the world because Norv will be HC" people need to get a grip...Turner might not be a great HC, but the team he would coach here is vastly more talented than the teams he had in Washington and Oakland

David

And we want to hold our breath and trust this "talented" team to a guy who has never shown he can do anything as HC in this league?

Yeah, that makes alot of sense

 

[dbair1967]

And we want to hold our breath and trust this "talented" team to a guy who has never shown he can do anything as HC in this league?

Yeah, that makes alot of sense

has he ever coached a team with as much talent as this one?

same thing I just pointed out to Rack...are there any examples of him coaching down a GOOD team? not that I know of...we all have plenty examples of Turner getting so-so results with a so-so team...he got bad results with a truly bad oakland team...even Landry got bad results when he had bad teams...I'm saying Turner is in Landry's league, but it doesn prove my point...you can only do so much with so little

David

 

[Alexander]

JJ will fire Norv and get someone in 2008 like Cowher.

The way this hiring process has developed, I believe it is pointless to wish for a coach like Bill Cowher.

He's used to working with a hands-off owner who let's him build. He will not get that here.

We are back to the same Jerry Jones that drove this franchise into a ditch under Campo.

It is a bit more dressed up and has the added scars of losing Payton to it (and the knee jerk reaction to hire Garrett), but it is the same syndrome ready to replicate itself like a nasty virus.

The news of Lacewell and possibly Campo involved should be enough to frighten any fan with a measure of common sense and rationality.

But Jones is a very good salesman and like a snakeoil expert, he's pawning off memories of the 1990s to charm the unwitting.

So if we wanna act like the sky is falling... lets wait until we officially know whats gonna happen with our defense.

The idea of Singletary is the one bright spot right now and our only cause for hope.

 

[big dog cowboy]

During Norv's interview, Singletary's name came up as Norv's choice for a possible DC.

The soonest we could get him into town was Tuesday.

We'll interview Singletary for both spots, just as we did with Bowles and Garrett.

On Wednesday Jerry will likely make the announcement that we are hiring both Turner and Singletary.

Our staff will most likely be:

HC-Turner

Ast HC Off-Sparano

Ast HC DEF-Bowles

OC QB-Garrett

DC-Singletary

Probably as close to what we end up as I have read so far.

 

[blindzebra]

And we want to hold our breath and trust this "talented" team to a guy who has never shown he can do anything as HC in this league?

Yeah, that makes alot of sense

Hmmmm.

Norv's record as a HC 58-82-1, 1-1 in the playoffs.

BB's record at Cleveland and his first year and NE, 41-55, 1-1 in the playoffs.

If we were to take his record at that point as proof positive he was a failed coach, chances are the 70-26 record with the 12-2 in the playoffs that followed never happens.

 

[Alexander]

Hmmmm.

Norv's record as a HC 58-82-1, 1-1 in the playoffs.

BB's record at Cleveland and his first year and NE, 41-55, 1-1 in the playoffs.

If we were to take his record at that point as proof positive he was a failed coach, chances are the 70-26 record with the 12-2 in the playoffs that followed never happens.

I don't quite understand the flawed logic in comparing a two-time loser to a one-time loser who was shackled by a owner intent on running the team into the ground.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

has he ever coached a team with as much talent as this one?

same thing I just pointed out to Rack...are there any examples of him coaching down a GOOD team? not that I know of...we all have plenty examples of Turner getting so-so results with a so-so team...he got bad results with a truly bad oakland team...even Landry got bad results when he had bad teams...I'm saying Turner is in Landry's league, but it doesn prove my point...you can only do so much with so little

David

Not being hired to coach a team with talent can also be a bad statement for Norv. We all know every year teams good and bad are looking for coaches.
Every one wants to say Garrett is of high standard in the NFL circles. Maybe Norm isn't so high in those circles.

We took so long to even gather a "good team" I hate to hand it over to a bad HC.

 

[dbair1967]

I don't quite understand the flawed logic in comparing a two-time loser to a one-time loser who was shackled by a owner intent on running the team into the ground.

if Belichick had coached Oakland the same yrs Norv did, he'd have the same record Norv did

or are you living in some fantasy world and believe Belichick coached Oakland Raider type teams to the Super Bowl?

David

 

[zeromaster]

The most likely scenario:

There will be a new spike of posts and rebuttals as zoners attempt to predict the exact instant the announcment is made, followed by days of spin and counter-spin. The mods will be PMing people this way and that.

Pretty much what's been going down since the Big One said adios.

I would rather they get a couple more realistic (ie., Rivera, Ryan, Manusky, Smith) candidates in to VR to interview and at least give us the appearance of conducting a thorough search. But what do I know. Jerra's probably decided that since the hands-off approach didn't beget him a trophy, it's time for the laying on of hands, as in his.

Great googley-moogley...:laugh2:

 

[blindzebra]

I don't quite understand the flawed logic in comparing a two-time loser to a one-time loser who was shackled by a owner intent on running the team into the ground.

Wash had ownership that didn't shackle him?

Oakland didn't?

At least make your flaw logic fair, before you attack.

What that simply points out is that we don't know what can happen.

Neither Norv or BB were in ideal situations when they made their head coaching starts, so to knee-jerk based on past records is just that knee-jerking. The comparison is valid, the same people crying about Norv would be screaming BB would be a bad hire based on his first 98 games.