What I think happens on Wednesday

[DipChit]

if Belichick had coached Oakland the same yrs Norv did, he'd have the same record Norv did
David

Except BB wasnt stupid enough or desperate enough to take that gig in the first place.

Shows alot about Norv when the last 2 gigs he got were after every other gig that year were already taken.

 

[dbair1967]

Except BB wasnt stupid enough or desperate enough to take that gig in the first place.

Shows alot about Norv when the last 2 gigs he got were after every other gig that year were already taken.

well I cant argue with that...he shouldnt have taken that job...his rep took a HUGE hit by going there

but thats one reason I discount what he did there because I know nobody else would have done anything either...that is a true hell hole of major sports coaching jobs

David

 

[Dave_in-NC]

well I cant argue with that...he shouldnt have taken that job...his rep took a HUGE hit by going there

but thats one reason I discount what he did there because I know nobody else would have done anything either...that is a true hell hole of major sports coaching jobs
David

The sad part is one or two more failed coaches here and we won't be far behind.

 

[cjr126]

i think parcells showed us that he was nothing without all his great assistants around him. so lets hope that maybe if garrett & the next defensive coordinatior
(singletary) turn out to be great coordinators than maybe it will make norv's job alot easier. i believe the cowboys thinking is now that they know they have a qb like romo to work with that they wanted to get the best people to bring him along. lets face it it helped troy out a great deal to have great offensive coaches around him. just look at how much better alex smith was in his 2nd year than he was in his 1st year.

i'm hoping that whoever takes over this defense that they play alot more aggressively than they have in the past. we need to start turning guys loose & let them reach their potential.

but then again what do i know.

 

[Alexander]

Wash had ownership that didn't shackle him?

Jack Kent Cooke gave Turner everything he wanted. And Turner still failed. Snyder was just the one who shot the lame horse.

Oakland didn't?

At least make your flaw logic fair, before you attack.

Comparing Belichick to Turner is not a logical comparison. Plain and simple.

It is a desperate attempt to match a poor record to another poor record and think the two are analogous.

Turner cannot judge talent. In fact, he's horrible at it and might be the first to tell you.

Belichick is a master at noticing the talent he can utilize like a spare part. It may not be the talent that everyone else would take, but he knows what he is looking for and he, along with Pioli, get it.

What that simply points out is that we don't know what can happen.

Of course we don't. But it also notes the leap of faith people give to Norv Turner simply because he has a link to our past. Were this anyone else, I strongly doubt he would have any measure of support.

But because he receives endorsements from icons in team history like Aikman and Johnston, he gets a free pass and a critical eye is hardly cast in his direction.

That is precisely what Jerry Jones is hoping for. And apparently, he is getting away with it, judging by the reactions I have read.

Neither Norv or BB were in ideal situations when they made their head coaching starts, so to knee-jerk based on past records is just that knee-jerking. The comparison is valid, the same people crying about Norv would be screaming BB would be a bad hire based on his first 98 games.

Not if they knew who they were talking about outside of their records alone.

 

[DipChit]

i think parcells showed us that he was nothing without all his great assistants around him. so lets hope that maybe if garrett & the next defensive coordinatior
(singletary) turn out to be great coordinators than maybe it will make norv's job alot easier.

Well thats just it.. the whole staff is now based on "hope".

Hope Norv can be a really good HC afterall.

Hope 2 coordinators, if it's JG and Mike, turn out good even though they've never held those jobs before.

Has Jim Johnson in Philly officially retired yet? If not, a staff with him and Reid.. just to name one.. would likely chew ours up and spit it out.

Or maybe not.. but to have the warm fuzzies about this sort of staff going in is pushing it a lil bit.

 

[blindzebra]

Jack Kent Cooke gave Turner everything he wanted. And Turner still failed. Snyder was just the one who shot the lame horse.



Comparing Belichick to Turner is not a logical comparison. Plain and simple.

It is a desperate attempt to match a poor record to another poor record and think the two are analogous.

Turner cannot judge talent. In fact, he's horrible at it and might be the first to tell you.

Belichick is a master at noticing the talent he can utilize like a spare part. It may not be the talent that everyone else would take, but he knows what he is looking for and he, along with Pioli, get it.



Of course we don't. But it also notes the leap of faith people give to Norv Turner simply because he has a link to our past. Were this anyone else, I strongly doubt he would have any measure of support.

But because he receives endorsements from icons in team history like Aikman and Johnston, he gets a free pass and a critical eye is hardly cast in his direction.

That is precisely what Jerry Jones is hoping for. And apparently, he is getting away with it, judging by the reactions I have read.



Not if they knew who they were talking about outside of their records alone.

Like talking to a brick wall.

Bill wasn't a brilliant eye for talent or a master coach until the situation that fit presented itself, and all the parts he needed to succeed were in place.

I'd much rather we were going with Rex Ryan or Ron Rivera, but that isn't going to stop me from looking for potential positives of this situation.

Some just are not happy unless they can be whinning about the team or beating up on those who truly support them...makes me seriously question the motives of those doing just that.

 

[Alexander]

Well thats just it.. the whole staff is now based on "hope".

Hope Norv can be a really good HC afterall.

Hope 2 coordinators, if it's JG and Mike, turn out good even though they've never held those jobs before.

Has Jim Johnson in Philly officially retired yet? If not, a staff with him and Reid.. just to name one.. would likely chew ours up and spit it out.

Or maybe not.. but to have the warm fuzzies about this sort of staff going in is pushing it a lil bit.

By the time this is all said and done, we will have the worst coaching staff in the division. At the very least, the least battle-tested.

I don't like that judging how I have seen how this team and it's players respond.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that Norv was involved in any personnel decisions in his stops in Washington and Oakland. As far as I know, I can't remember a single player that Norv "gave up" on or didn't recognize his talent such that Norv let him go elsewhere and he succeeded.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well thats just it.. the whole staff is now based on "hope".

Hope Norv can be a really good HC afterall.

Hope 2 coordinators, if it's JG and Mike, turn out good even though they've never held those jobs before.

Has Jim Johnson in Philly officially retired yet? If not, a staff with him and Reid.. just to name one.. would likely chew ours up and spit it out.

Or maybe not.. but to have the warm fuzzies about this sort of staff going in is pushing it a lil bit.

Look at the staff we had in 2006. They got outcoached every which way but loose the last 6 games of the year. The only team we beat was the coach killer's team.

 

[jgboys1]

I still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that Norv was involved in any personnel decisions in his stops in Washington and Oakland. As far as I know, I can't remember a single player that Norv "gave up" on or didn't recognize his talent such that Norv let them go elsewhere and he succeeded.

I do not think it a talent evaluator thing, it is the players are going to walk all over him, give him no respect.With TO here, this is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Alexander]

Like talking to a brick wall.

Bill wasn't a brilliant eye for talent or a master coach until the situation that fit presented itself, and all the parts he needed to succeed were in place.

An incorrect assumption, but I will indulge you.

Is this the perfect situation for Norv Turner?

Wait, I believe that presented itself the day he was hired as an offensive coordinator with Aikman, Irvin, Novacek, Smith and a strong offensive line already at his disposal.

I'd much rather we were going with Rex Ryan or Ron Rivera, but that isn't going to stop me from looking for potential positives of this situation.

The only positive I could get from having an affirmed pansy like Turner leading this team is that perhaps the players might decide they need to step up for once.

If there is one thing Coach Parcells did do, he stifled that and all but encouraged loafing because he was such a strong will himself.

Some just are not happy unless they can be whinning about the team or beating up on those who truly support them...makes me seriously question the motives of those doing just that.

This is rather ironic, because many around here have been whining about the direction of the club under Coach Parcells for years and never once did they get their motives questioned.

 

[Cochese]

if Belichick had coached Oakland the same yrs Norv did, he'd have the same record Norv did

or are you living in some fantasy world and believe Belichick coached Oakland Raider type teams to the Super Bowl?

David

BB coached Cleveland..you know that horribly inept franchise that got relocated? He took them to 11-5 and a playoff win in his 3rd year as a headcoach. It only took Norv how long to do that in Washington?

If Turner werent a part of the 92 team would you still be wearing his brown lipstick around the Cowboyszone?

 

[Alexander]

I still have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that Norv was involved in any personnel decisions in his stops in Washington and Oakland. As far as I know, I can't remember a single player that Norv "gave up" on or didn't recognize his talent such that Norv let him go elsewhere and he succeeded.

He was directly involved with the decision to draft Heath Shuler.

 

[Chuck 54]

Singletary yes. Garrett? Have you seen a recent photo of him?
He looks like he would need a place to hide. I fail to see a tough guy image in him.

Did pictures of Tom Landry or Bill Walsh scare you?

 

[blindzebra]

An incorrect assumption, but I will indulge you.

Is this the perfect situation for Norv Turner?

Wait, I believe that presented itself the day he was hired as an offensive coordinator with Aikman, Irvin, Novacek, Smith and a strong offensive line already at his disposal.



The only positive I could get from having an affirmed pansy like Turner leading this team is that perhaps the players might decide they need to step up for once.

If there is one thing Coach Parcells did do, he stifled that and all but encouraged loafing because he was such a strong will himself.



This is rather ironic, because many around here have been whining about the direction of the club under Coach Parcells for years and never once did they get their motives questioned.

Yeah, like nobody said a word to those questioning Parcells...total and complete BS.

We have several posters who do nothing but post negatively about anything Cowboys...they know who they are.

We have several more that go out of their way to take on anyone with a strong voice...you know who you are.

Now we have several posters who have almost no post counts, that have been members for quite some time, that have now become very vocal...I suspect they are trolls.

The first I have no clear way of knowing what motivates them, but it does seem unhealthy to be a fan of something that causes you so much pain.

The second have low self esteem and need to feel superior.

The third always come out of the woodwork when something major happens.

 

[blindzebra]

BB coached Cleveland..you know that horribly inept franchise that got relocated? He took them to 11-5 and a playoff win in his 3rd year as a headcoach. It only took Norv how long to do that in Washington?

If Turner werent a part of the 92 team would you still be wearing his brown lipstick around the Cowboyszone?

BB took them in his 4th year.

Turner had Wash tied with Min for the last playoff spot in his 3rd year and lost on a tie breaker.

Your point again was?

 

[Cochese]

BB took them in his 4th year.

Turner had Wash tied with Min for the last playoff spot in his 3rd year and lost on a tie breaker.

Your point again was?

So your saying he diddnt make the playoffs? Thats what I thought.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, like nobody said a word to those questioning Parcells...total and complete BS.

We have several posters who do nothing but post negatively about anything Cowboys...they know who they are.

We have several more that go out of their way to take on anyone with a strong voice...you know who you are.

Now we have several posters who have almost no post counts, that have been members for quite some time, that have now become very vocal...I suspect they are trolls.

The first I have no clear way of knowing what motivates them, but it does seem unhealthy to be a fan of something that causes you so much pain.

The second have low self esteem and need to feel superior.

The third always come out of the woodwork when something major happens.

Did you have a reason for this speech or would you like to address what I posted?

 

[Rack]

did he ever have good talent and end up 5-11? thats my point

David

He had better then 5-11 (cubed) talent.

if Belichick had coached Oakland the same yrs Norv did, he'd have the same record Norv did

Wow.

So now there's no difference between Belichik and Turner? BB's coaching wouldn't of made ONE BIT of difference? He would the EXACT same record Turner had?

Of course BB wouldn't of won a superbowl with that team, but to say "if Belichick had coached Oakland the same yrs Norv did, he'd have the same record Norv did" is completely insane.

If you truly believe that BB wouldn't of done BETTER with that team then Turner did then you truly don't know wth you're talking about.