What if Brian Schottenheimer really is the right guy

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

@jazzcat22 - he will now get his chance & maybe he does surprise. I have nothing against the guy so it's not like him failing would validate me. The real issue is that we all know he didn't get chosen as part of some exhaustive search conducted by competent football people trying to put the best product possible on the field. He got chosen because he is chummy with the owners, is willing to accept the pay they are offering & the meddling and there was no competition for his services.

Just like Garrett and McCarthy (though I (myself) like Fat Mike).......

 

[blueblood70]

Do you feel shotty was the best available?
The coordinators from the lions had greater potential in my opinion.
Heard the buy out was 10m for Belichick.

first of a;ll, just take Ben Johnson out of this equation he chose Chicago that's where he wanted to go he wasn't setting up anymore interviews the man almost had his entire staff hired before they even announced he had the job he literally was still planning on playing a playoff game and that week leading up to that loss he already had called almost all the coaches he had in mind to build out his staff to let them know to be prepared... Obviously the contract details had to be worked out but Ben Johnson only had one choice just like Mike vrabel only had one choice those two were not even consideration for the Cowboys because they weren't considering the Cowboys..

And don't say that sad there's a reason why he wanted to go back into that division where he's comfortable and he saw a younger team that may be more pliable right now in a area where they're in need of a superhero to change the nature of their history..

So let's just take those two out of the running.... Yes Aaron Glenn would have been a nice interview just to see if he even had interest over here but when you say the word potential I have to snicker I'm betting people thought that Nick Saban Bobby petrino Chip Kelly and for sure everyone in here was angry when Jerry didn't consider bringing Urban Meyer here and they were all one and done you're trying to tell me they didn't have potential I mean you're trying to tell me that these weren't big names that at least one of them should have made it in the NFL... And they didn't just not make it they were terrible they were absolutely horrible..

So no schottenheimer doesn't feel like a better choice than those other guys but they're all on the same footing they're starting from the ground up they're having no advantage I mean that lions team was loaded then I mean loaded with talent and they also had the supporting cast the other members of the staff the others coaches and everything you have to add it all up they're not bringing that with them they don't get to bring what made them good...

So when you say potential and better choice no on the outside yes on the surface that's what it looks like but you gotta remember that when Dan Campbell built that stuff they were a bunch of nobodies including him and this same stuff was said about him the schottenheimer blowback when the lions hired him everyone looked at each other and went Yep they're just gonna keep being bad we don't even know where they thought about this 'cause nobody else was interested in any of these guys remember that remember that this week has been said about schottenheimer and some of the coaches were bringing in that the rest of the league has no interest in them?​

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For that reason alone we should give schottenheimer a shot and it's too late to keep debating this he literally is our head coach they're building out the staff it's too late to ponder...​

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So let's just see how it works out then we can talk about if it was a mistake or not we get to see the next two or three seasons of all those first time head coaches and we'll see how it works out like which one was the very best hire..​

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I went on a side note I find it ironic that all these teams that now have these huge holes in them according to you these names are so big now they're gone you're trying to tell me now they're not replaceable in my opinion how are they replaceable if they're superstars in the making which by the way the irony here is the people that Dan Campbell are replacing those two with I've never heard of them they're not big time coordinators they're new again he's bringing in people he's comfortable with same thing is gonna happen with schottenheimer staff they're gonna build it out with what he's comfortable with and we'll see how it works out but most of these Staffs that are being replaced they don't look like they're being replaced with better options they're just more names..​

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And I'm betting the ones that have more talent on the teams that just lost their coordinators they're pretty comfortable that they're gonna plug in most any coach because it was the talent versus it wasn't all coaching.. You want another ironic example united tell me that Kelly Moore went from not being wanted here laughing him out of the charger's job saying the eagles we get to see them just collapse because he's over there Oh no they went all in they gave him all the talent he needed and now he looks like a genius..hmm​

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do we really believe if he goes to the Saints the Saints have a bad salary cap issues they don't have a whole lot of talent over there that he's gonna instantly have more success than schottenheimer here?.​

 

[blueblood70]

Just like Garrett and McCarthy (though I (myself) like Fat Mike).......

And yet Mike McCarthy what's the best hire of 2020 there's not even a close second he literally the most successful coach hired in 2020 therefore this is a moot point you're not liking schottenheimer because it doesn't seem to be a well sought after name like he's gonna fail just because of that and the other people who are on new teams and they're also first time head coaches somehow have a better chance just because they have a name by the way those weren't well sought out after coaching searches by a team of professional those just happen to be the hottest coordinators on teams loaded with other good coaches and great players literally not being able to bring those players with them and that other supporting cast coaches all of them trainers they're not bringing that over with them you're equally gonna struggle to prove themselves...

So just because those names were put in lights for everyone to think they were the better options doesn't make them the better options until they prove it they're all on equal footing with schottenheimer right now they're gonna have to build their staff build their teams and try to be successful but there's no way those lions coordinators are gonna instantly have the same success because they left all that with the lions the benefits they had on that team loaded with talent and other good coaches are not coming to The Jets or Chicago not right away.. They may have caught magic in a bottle once where they were doesn't mean they're gonna be magicians where they're going....

 

[KJJ]

Schotty has no chance unless we improve the roster. We’re lacking in talent in a number of areas. The trenches are a real problem. Philly is far above us.

 

[zrinkill]

He might actually be okay as a HC... problem is, we'll never know with the dysfunctional Jones circus in place. He's not even allowed to pick his own assistant coaches.

Jerry and Stephen think they're the head coaches. BS is just a glorified OC who gets to hold press conferences.

This ........ I have no beef with Schoot ........ my beef is how this organization goes about this kinda thing ........ it is not in a professional manner ........ its fantasy football like crap.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

And yet Mike McCarthy what's the best hire of 2020 there's not even a close second he literally the most successful coach hired in 2020 therefore this is a moot point you're not liking schottenheimer because it doesn't seem to be a well sought after name like he's gonna fail just because of that and the other people who are on new teams and they're also first time head coaches somehow have a better chance just because they have a name by the way those weren't well sought out after coaching searches by a team of professional those just happen to be the hottest coordinators on teams loaded with other good coaches and great players literally not being able to bring those players with them and that other supporting cast coaches all of them trainers they're not bringing that over with them you're equally gonna struggle to prove themselves...

So just because those names were put in lights for everyone to think they were the better options doesn't make them the better options until they prove it they're all on equal footing with schottenheimer right now they're gonna have to build their staff build their teams and try to be successful but there's no way those lions coordinators are gonna instantly have the same success because they left all that with the lions the benefits they had on that team loaded with talent and other good coaches are not coming to The Jets or Chicago not right away.. They may have caught magic in a bottle once where they were doesn't mean they're gonna be magicians where they're going....

Feel better with your 2 long run on sentences? I've bever seen 3 and 4 line sentences as 1 sentence... I have no clue who Schottenheimer is. I never followed him from past teams. He may be the one to get us to a Superbowl for all we know. I don't know anything about him. I just think that interview process was way too quick for them to know McCarthy's replacement. There were plenty of people who were way more qualified (who I've seen). It doesn't matter who the HC is. Jerry and Stephen are going to hire the whole coaching staff. Jerry and Stephen are who is going to build this team (just like they've always hired the coaches and built every team since Parcells left.

 

[blueblood70]

Feel better with your 2 long run on sentences? I've bever seen 3 and 4 line sentences as 1 sentence... I have no clue who Schottenheimer is. I never followed him from past teams. He may be the one to get us to a Superbowl for all we know. I don't know anything about him. I just think that interview process was way too quick for them to know McCarthy's replacement. There were plenty of people who were way more qualified (who I've seen). It doesn't matter who the HC is. Jerry and Stephen are going to hire the whole coaching staff. Jerry and Stephen are who is going to build this team (just like they've always hired the coaches and built every team since Parcells left.

I don't agree with the hire ,but I'm OK with it after doing research... Hearing real experts talk about schottenheimer it helps ease that anxiety a little bit.. The fact that you don't know who he is the fact that he's the son of Marty schottenheimer and that he's been an offensive coordinator and he's been in the league for 25 years that's on you but what he did as a play caller in Seattle was pretty impressive regardless if it was him or the talent OR if it was Pete Carroll I mean Russell Wilson is a lot like Prescott and that three-year stretch were all Pro Bowl years 1 was an all pro year and Russell Wilson through 105 touchdowns and only 25 interceptions with Brian schottenheimer as the OC... So just in case you needed a little reminder I'm not saying he's gonna be good or great I'm just saying maybe we gotta give him a chance..

I'm saying those guys you thought were better and more qualified were not better and more qualified they literally haven't proven anything as a head coach they haven't proven anything on their own without all that talent that they just left not just the stockpiling of great players the other support they had from the staff a bunch of good coaches they worked around they don't have that benefit anymore when you're on a new team I don't care what your name is just like we just saw a run of top named college coaches fail hard in their first year you know guys like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer Bobby petrino Chip Kelly and others come into the NFL and just failed hard and these guys were more qualified had more experience and had bigger names and none of them can handle it..​

That's all I'm saying they're all on equal footing like you said for all you know this could be one of the better coaching hires that we've had but we don't know and I don't care what names you think are more qualified it's just a name when they're going to a strange place and have to put this all together you think that magic is coming with them no it's not they're starting at the bottom again and hope that they can bring a little of what they had with them but there's no guarantee...

Yeah, I use talk to text, so you don't like long replies sometimes in these cases it just the way I do things. ​

 

[5Stars]

I don't agree with the hire ,but I'm OK with it after doing research... Hearing real experts talk about schottenheimer it helps ease that anxiety a little bit.. The fact that you don't know who he is the fact that he's the son of Marty schottenheimer and that he's been an offensive coordinator and he's been in the league for 25 years that's on you but what he did as a play caller in Seattle was pretty impressive regardless if it was him or the talent OR if it was Pete Carroll I mean Russell Wilson is a lot like Prescott and that three-year stretch were all Pro Bowl years 1 was an all pro year and Russell Wilson through 105 touchdowns and only 25 interceptions with Brian schottenheimer as the OC... So just in case you needed a little reminder I'm not saying he's gonna be good or great I'm just saying maybe we gotta give him a chance..

I'm saying those guys you thought were better and more qualified were not better and more qualified they literally haven't proven anything as a head coach they haven't proven anything on their own without all that talent that they just left not just the stockpiling of great players the other support they had from the staff a bunch of good coaches they worked around they don't have that benefit anymore when you're on a new team I don't care what your name is just like we just saw a run of top named college coaches fail hard in their first year you know guys like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer Bobby petrino Chip Kelly and others come into the NFL and just failed hard and these guys were more qualified had more experience and had bigger names and none of them can handle it..​

That's all I'm saying they're all on equal footing like you said for all you know this could be one of the better coaching hires that we've had but we don't know and I don't care what names you think are more qualified it's just a name when they're going to a strange place and have to put this all together you think that magic is coming with them no it's not they're starting at the bottom again and hope that they can bring a little of what they had with them but there's no guarantee...

Yeah, I use talk to text, so you don't like long replies sometimes in these cases it just the way I do things. ​

Well, you talk to damn much!

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

I don't agree with the hire ,but I'm OK with it after doing research... Hearing real experts talk about schottenheimer it helps ease that anxiety a little bit.. The fact that you don't know who he is the fact that he's the son of Marty schottenheimer and that he's been an offensive coordinator and he's been in the league for 25 years that's on you but what he did as a play caller in Seattle was pretty impressive regardless if it was him or the talent OR if it was Pete Carroll I mean Russell Wilson is a lot like Prescott and that three-year stretch were all Pro Bowl years 1 was an all pro year and Russell Wilson through 105 touchdowns and only 25 interceptions with Brian schottenheimer as the OC... So just in case you needed a little reminder I'm not saying he's gonna be good or great I'm just saying maybe we gotta give him a chance..

I'm saying those guys you thought were better and more qualified were not better and more qualified they literally haven't proven anything as a head coach they haven't proven anything on their own without all that talent that they just left not just the stockpiling of great players the other support they had from the staff a bunch of good coaches they worked around they don't have that benefit anymore when you're on a new team I don't care what your name is just like we just saw a run of top named college coaches fail hard in their first year you know guys like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer Bobby petrino Chip Kelly and others come into the NFL and just failed hard and these guys were more qualified had more experience and had bigger names and none of them can handle it..​

That's all I'm saying they're all on equal footing like you said for all you know this could be one of the better coaching hires that we've had but we don't know and I don't care what names you think are more qualified it's just a name when they're going to a strange place and have to put this all together you think that magic is coming with them no it's not they're starting at the bottom again and hope that they can bring a little of what they had with them but there's no guarantee...

Yeah, I use talk to text, so you don't like long replies sometimes in these cases it just the way I do things. ​

Very well said....

 

[erod]

There are only 8 coaches that have been with their teams for more than 5 years, and some of those 8 are in hot water.

Almost all coaching hires don't work out.

 

[DandyDon52]

What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...

I think he will do as good as mike or better. A lot depends on how the jones boys handle FA and the draft.
Will they let him do what he wants to do or put their own demands on him.
I think he was a good hire, but will they help or hurt him ??

 

[Steve007]

What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...

Jerry conning fans for 30 years. This is why the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise and they always fall short. People buy the hype.
This team will be lucky to make the playoffs next season. If they do it will be a one and done.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Then he's the guy. We all eat crow while singing kumbaya around the campfire. Really doubt it happens, but would love to be proven wrong.

 

[MikeT22]

Well, you talk to damn much!

lol

 

[garyo1954]

What if I won the mega millions lottery?

I'd ask for half.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Honestly I hope I'm wrong.

 

[garyo1954]

I draw a blank on this guy. I'd like to see him succeed, but in my heart of hearts I believe Booger will rein him in quickly if he doesn't toe the company line.

I think his mindset was to wait for the phones to start ringing, and when that didn't happen, and Kellen told him we'll talk after the season, he knew his options were limited by his cheap pay and micro-managing ego.

There is just nobody out there with any self respect who will work under his terms, at his prices, when their career is on the line.

 

[mahoneybill]

What if Brian really is the right guy, with the help of Eberflus. Who many fans wanted to be promoted to DC and then HC.
Eberflus can bring a toughness to the defense. As he did in Indy and Chicago. That can help the offense and they need it.

All fans wanted a younger HC, that could relate to the players better. Be somewhat innovative. Not saying that Schotty is that person.
But he is not a retread coach that many did not want anyway (but yet they complain Jerry did not go after any of them). Yes other candidates were out there. This seemed rushed all of a sudden after what seemed like Jerry was dragging his feet about it all.

But who are we fans to say who would be better, though we think we know. Moore? What qualifies Ben Johnson over anyone else, other than he actually has called plays with success for Detroit. But HC material, none of us knows. Carroll, Zimmer, Chucky?

I am not a big fan of this move. I did not like the way the FO went about this. We known their failures for years now. We will see how serious they are come FA to see if they are willing to actually improve the roster. Or is all of this for nothing, again.

I know what the answers and posts will be. Same old stuff that has been repeated 100 times in every thread.

So fellow Zoner's, here is a challenge. Think outside of that box in your head, and think ... what if he can be innovative and was held back by MM ...

Willing to give him a chance because of him not JJ & sons “ wisdom”. ( Stephen’s ) air quotes emphasis

 

[mahoneybill]

I guess the best thing we can hope for now is that they sink this ship so hard that we get a top pick in the draft.

Arch Manning when he’s available

 

[mmohican29]

The bar is @ the floor.

If Schotty can win 9 or 10 games given Jones @ GM, it will be a very good 1st year imho.

At least he's positive and actually respectfully reaching out to the fandom to get some momentum.