What if we drafted Ramsey, would Darius had rushed for 1400 yds?

[tyke1doe]

Sixth-round picks are mainly drafted on potential. Most of them turn out to be JAGs.

Dallas saw size and speed with Jackson, but not enough from him to not expose him to waivers. Other teams wanted to pick him up because of that same potential. That Dallas valued that oft-injured, barely-used JAG Dunbar more than Jackson should be fairly telling, but instead some apparently see this untapped superstar in the making. Again, I would have preferred keeping him over Dunbar to see what will become of him, but I see no reason to blast the team for not thinking he was anything special.

If he becomes Cleveland's starter and runs for 4-plus yards per carry and 1,000 yards, then we can lament. Otherwise, we can draft another Darius Jackson next year. We might can even go one better and find a back who proves that he doesn't deserve to be cut like fifth-rounders Jordan Howard and Jay Ajayi.

More complete response than what I gave. Good job.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Sixth-round picks are mainly drafted on potential. Most of them turn out to be JAGs.

Every player in the draft is drafted on potential, regardless of round they were slected

 

[gimmesix]

Hey did this team draft "a JAG" in the 6th round and not just sign "a JAG" as a free agent?

Even worse, why did they keep "a JAG" on the roster until December???

And even, even worse, why did 13 teams - including 1st on the waiver list - put in an immediate claim for "a JAG"?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Was Tyson Thompson a JAG? Yet we kept him for three seasons because he was big and fast.

Was Randall Williams a JAG? Yet we kept him for three seasons because he was big and fast.

You can look back in our draft history and see how many JAGs Dallas has drafted in the late rounds (and sadly, some in the early rounds). You're not trying to draft JAGs, you're trying to get lucky and find players who prove to not be JAGs, but most of them in those later rounds are going to turn out being no better than most of the UDFAs you pick up. Potential will always get you looks but that doesn't mean that a player's potential will ever be realized.

As far as Dunbar goes, he at least had shown some good things in a few games. Dallas knew he could catch and run against NFL defenses in regular-season games. I'm again not saying I would have kept him because I think he was superfluous after McFadden was ready to return, but again, we're not talking about cutting some great player to keep Dunbar.

 

[gimmesix]

Every player in the draft is drafted on potential, regardless of round they were slected

Not what I mean. When you get to the late rounds, you're taking guys with a lot of holes in their game but with some standout characteristic(s). For Jackson, his size and speed stood out, but questions about his ability to use them on this level made him a sixth-round pick.

Rico Gathers is a good example. His potential is outstanding and he could turn out to be more than just a guy, but there obviously were reasons not to spend a second-round pick on his potential.

 

[Stash]

Was Tyson Thompson a JAG? Yet we kept him for three seasons because he was big and fast.

Was Randall Williams a JAG? Yet we kept him for three seasons because he was big and fast.

What round were they drafted?

And who else was on the team's that they were?

This is a poor apples to oranges comparison.

You can look back in our draft history and see how many JAGs Dallas has drafted in the late rounds (and sadly, some in the early rounds). You're not trying to draft JAGs, you're trying to get lucky and find players who prove to not be JAGs, but most of them in those later rounds are going to turn out being no better than most of the UDFAs you pick up. Potential will always get you looks but that doesn't mean that a player's potential will ever be realized.

It shows investment, and it shows value. They lost the value of that 6th round pick. That's not up for debate.

As far as Dunbar goes, he at least had shown some good things in a few games. Dallas knew he could catch and run against NFL defenses in regular-season games. I'm again not saying I would have kept him because I think he was superfluous after McFadden was ready to return, but again, we're not talking about cutting some great player to keep Dunbar.

No, we're talking about mistakenly keeping a poor one instead.

And you didn't answer my question.

What were Dunbar's numbers during that same period of time that Jackson is being criticized for? What numbers was Dunbar producing?

 

[tm1119]

Wish the team would have listened to me and waited to draft Jordan Howard. I thought it was pretty obvious he was going to be a beast.

Zeke is still a more complete and better overall back, but 5th round vs 3rd overall makes it a pretty easy choice imo...

 

[Idgit]

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/5...ckson-will-look-to-make-a-splash-in-cleveland

Recent article about Jackson's opportunity in CLE.

I liked the player, and I think we missed out on a guy who could have been a long-term affordable backup for Elliott and a solid contributor in a pinch. As ti turns out, we should have probably kept him on the roster over every RB we had other than EE and McFadden. Instead, the first team with a shot at him in waivers scooped him up.

We blew it. It happens. Sucks.

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

He was as green as an over-riped watermelon.

Odd turn of phrase. Use of the term "green" in this context is intended to signify that the player is UNDERripened - i.e. not yet ready - like a green banana or a green tomato. Think you've created your own oxymoron of sorts.

 

[BrassCowboy]

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/5...ckson-will-look-to-make-a-splash-in-cleveland

Recent article about Jackson's opportunity in CLE.

I liked the player, and I think we missed out on a guy who could have been a long-term affordable backup for Elliott and a solid contributor in a pinch. As ti turns out, we should have probably kept him on the roster over every RB we had other than EE and McFadden. Instead, the first time with a shot at him in waivers scooped him up.

We blew it. It happens. Sucks.

that i agree with, like you said Elliot, McFadden, then Jackson. Dunbar was never gonna be anything for this team. Especially when they didn't even use him for what he was good for and that is screens. Should of known when they didn't find a use for him (because he surely would never compete as a true running back), then time to make a change and keep potential they had in Jackson.

 

[windward]

I know its against inferior talent, but isnt that what Dallas' O Line makes the NFL defenses look like. Darius never came on the World stage with a corny half shirt nor did he pull a womens top down.

I know I know hes a Cowboy with 1600 yds on his resume.

But that cheesy smile is kind of annoying. Hes got intitlement written all across it.

1 season greetness followed with those shenanigans .

Darius Jackson is seriously overrated by this fan base.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Not what I mean. When you get to the late rounds, you're taking guys with a lot of holes in their game but with some standout characteristic(s). For Jackson, his size and speed stood out, but questions about his ability to use them on this level made him a sixth-round pick.

Rico Gathers is a good example. His potential is outstanding and he could turn out to be more than just a guy, but there obviously were reasons not to spend a second-round pick on his potential.

cant teach 4.35 speed of a 225LB back in the NFL that translates....... plenty of long term starters and all pros from the fourth round on.....championship teams are built from the 4th round on, not throwing darts at a board when making selections....Rico Gathers was selected in the 6th round because of measurable's as was Jackson and because of the competition level division he played in collage......it's just my opinion that it was a mistake to waive him over Dunbar...

 

[The Quest for Six]

Darius Jackson is seriously overrated by this fan base.

nobody is overrating him, it's about keeping potential of a young back with size and speed to develop that you used a 6th round draft pick on over Dunbar, undrafted, often injured and who wasn't going to be in a Dallas uniform at the end of the season and rarely seen the field....

 

[Stash]

Darius Jackson is seriously overrated by this fan base.

And the 13 NFL teams that immediately put in a claim for him...

 

[Stash]

nobody is overrating him, it's about keeping potential of a young back with size and speed to develop that you used a 6th round draft pick on over Dunbar, undrafted, often injured and who wasn't going to be in a Dallas uniform at the end of the season and rarely seen the field....

And now, guess what? The Cowboys are looking for a long term backup.
Just dumb.

 

[Idgit]

that i agree with, like you said Elliot, McFadden, then Jackson. Dunbar was never gonna be anything for this team. Especially when they didn't even use him for what he was good for and that is screens. Should of known when they didn't find a use for him (because he surely would never compete as a true running back), then time to make a change and keep potential they had in Jackson.

Most of the time he was here, I disagreed with the people who didn't like Dunbar. Change of pace back who could run the whole route tree, who'd they'd occasionally run inside just to keep teams honest, and who had great hands and was a willing pass protector even though he was undersized. There's a role for that guy on every roster. But, yeah, last year after the injury he didn't look nearly as explosive. And when you spend that much on Elliott, who's a much better pass protector, can run inside and out, and is a weapon in the screen game, you don't remove him to put Dunbar in. We didn't need him, could have cut him in favor of a cheap young player with speed and some power who'd have been here for his whole rookie deal.

 

[phildadon86]

This thread is still going? is it 2016?

 

[DakotaReign]

Derrick Henry would have rushed for 1400

Troy Hambrick wouldve rushed for 1300

 

[tyke1doe]

Odd turn of phrase. Use of the term "green" in this context is intended to signify that the player is UNDERripened - i.e. not yet ready - like a green banana or a green tomato. Think you've created your own oxymoron of sorts.

I was thinking more of an over-ripe watermelon as being "greener" in color than an under-ripe watermelon.
Nevertheless, I can understand why you arrived at the conclusion you did. And the green banana analogy is a very appropriate one.
I'll likely bury mine.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wish the team would have listened to me and waited to draft Jordan Howard. I thought it was pretty obvious he was going to be a beast.

Zeke is still a more complete and better overall back, but 5th round vs 3rd overall makes it a pretty easy choice imo...

Except Jordan Howard wasn't the prospect Zeke was. You guys really bought that myth that anyone can run behind this line? Sure McFadden had 1k yards......but it didn't result in many wins either.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

Troy Hambrick wouldve rushed for 1300

If Coakley played fullback, Hambrick would of rushed for 2000