What if we drafted Ramsey, would Darius had rushed for 1400 yds?

[PJTHEDOORS]

This how you evaluate players?

Well that's embarrassing.

That's your lovefest for Ramsey over Zeke.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I can see it, a guy at the bar in a Cowboys jersey piss as crap after a win. Like... what are you doing? Lol. I can say, I hope I never meet you.

- After a 13-3 season which wasn't even highlighted by plays like this

- After picking not 1 but 3 potential starting dbs?

What a guy! Of all the things to be ungrateful for

That's a helluva block

 

[Shuff]

Uh, no.

 

[QT]

Jun 26, 2014
MOBILE, Ala. (WPMI) Former Crimson Tide standout and Dallas Cowboys star Sherman Williams is now out of federal prison after serving a 15 year sentence for distributing marijuana. Williams, who was just released in March, is wasting no time getting back into the community. This weekend he's coordinating a football camp for young players. He says he wants to make a difference in the same streets where he once made bad choices.

(Headline above reads Former NFL Star. Star of what?)

You should read about Clayton Holmes fall from success. I think I read it in "Boys will be Boys".

An article about it:

Boys Will Be Boys was an absolute blast to research and write, because the names were so huge (Aikman! Emmitt! Irvin! Jimmy Johnson! Jerry Jones!) and the characters so rich. Throughout my career, I’ve always been a fan of chasing down the little-known stories and making them big, and Boys Will Be Boys was wonderful for this. I’ll never forget meeting Clayton Holmes, the former cornerback, who sat with me in the tiny wood shack he called home. It was located in his mother’s front yard in Florence, S.C., and lacked running water and electricity

 

[TheHerd]

In a nut shell actually like his natural ability to tote the rock a lot better than Dunbar. .. but his speed, 4.62 40 yard dash is very suspect. While Jackson was a legit 4.4 guy with size. Just a sub par move, can't afford to be flaky on roster decisions in the NFL. Ask yourself what had Lance Dunbar ever done for anybody, except run a 4.3.

In the end maybe it's a really smart/good thing that Dallas has older Veteran RBs Morris/McFadden inked and probably the real reasoning behind the rueing of DJ.

I'd never propose we should have kept Dunbar, and was always amazed he ever came in for Zeke when Zeke wasn't begging for a breather. But for 3 glorious games to start 2015, Lance was a beast. Those 3 games are what kept him on the team for 2016.

 

[AsthmaField]

Just claim your account was hacked and lay low for a bit

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Why did we draft this guy again? I know everyone likes to think every draft pick will become a valuable player, so why did we waste a pick a year ago on a guy we knew had no shot of making our team? We got this guy in the same round that we got Xavier Woods this year, who many people think will be a significant player right away and our possible future at safety.

 

[The Quest for Six]

I did not say the offensive line has nothing to do with it, only that you cannot put just any back behind a great offensive line and expect that back to be great. Jackson was a JAG. If he had not been a JAG, we would not have cut him. He averaged 3.5 YPC for us in the preseason because he's a big back with speed but more of a straight-line runner. Maybe he becomes a fast power back and succeeds or maybe his limited movement skills keeps him from ever being much more than what we saw last preseason. Now, I would have preferred that we kept him long enough to sort that out, but I'm certainly not going to be upset over a player who showed that the only reason to keep him was because of his size and speed and not because of his preseason production. The only real exciting thing he did in the preseason was showing he was a decent receiver out of the backfield and scoring on an 18-yard catch and run.

They ONLY waived him because their ridiculous thinking was to try to get him on the practice squad to keep that JAG in Dunbar, often injured, barely used who wasn't going to be back this year anyway.....You didn't use a 6th round selection if you thought he was JAG, he wasn't here long enough to even make that determination and showed enough in training camp and preseason with a third tier offensive line to keep him. Jerry got cute trying to sneak him on the practice squad...can't sneak players late in the season when clubs out of the playoff race are looking to snag guys to get a look at, that's why 13 teams put in a claim for him.....Now Dallas needs a young back to develop and relieve Elliot because McFadden and Morris are getting a little long in the teeth......

 

[Proof]

I don't know why it such a controversial question for some. The o-line took a past his prime RB that was coming off three consecutive seasons of 3.3 & 3.4 YPC and all off a sudden turned him into a 4.6 YPC RB without any semblance of a competent QB behind him to keep defenses honest.

That doesn't mean Zeke = McFadden, but it does lend credence to the idea of getting production out of a lesser back.

It's not necessarily controversial as much as it's worthless in present time. There's just really no reason to hypothesize when reality looks great.

If the team stumbles and has a terrible year,if zeke falls off a cliff, if our secondary looks terrible with the new guys, and if Darius goes on to be highly productive somewhere... sure. But the team is looking really good. Zeke is a monster and his impact on the franchise already extends beyond just his on field production. He's one of the new faces of the team, EVERY team in the league is scared of him, he's energized the franchise, and just had one of the great rookie seasons in history. It's madness

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

It's not necessarily controversial as much as it's worthless in present time. There's just really no reason to hypothesize when reality looks great.

If the team stumbles and has a terrible year,if zeke falls off a cliff, if our secondary looks terrible with the new guys, and if Darius goes on to be highly productive somewhere... sure. But the team is looking really good. Zeke is a monster and his impact on the franchise already extends beyond just his on field production. He's one of the new faces of the team, EVERY team in the league is scared of him, he's energized the franchise, and just had one of the great rookie seasons in history. It's madness

It's a thought exercise for discussion on a message board; I don't think there's any harm to it.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

They ONLY waived him because their ridiculous thinking was to try to get him on the practice squad to keep that JAG in Dunbar, often injured, barely used who wasn't going to be back this year anyway.....You didn't use a 6th round selection if you thought he was JAG, he wasn't here long enough to even make that determination and showed enough in training camp and preseason with a third tier offensive line to keep him. Jerry got cute trying to sneak him on the practice squad...can't sneak players late in the season when clubs out of the playoff race are looking to snag guys to get a look at, that's why 13 teams put in a claim for him.....Now Dallas needs a young back to develop and relieve Elliot because McFadden and Morris are getting a little long in the teeth......

It wasn't Dunbar he was waived for, but McFadden coming off the injury list.

 

[AsthmaField]

It's a thought exercise for discussion on a message board; I don't think there's any harm to it.

It's a gateway discussion. First this, then heroine.

 

[Proof]

It's a thought exercise for discussion on a message board; I don't think there's any harm to it.

Oh of course not. I'll literally talk about anything. I have zero issue with the question being posed. Just the premise being defended

 

[Doomsday101]

Just think if Dallas drafted Ramsey people could be sitting here saying what if we had drafted Zeke. lol

 

[gimmesix]

Now I'm not saying he would be all-pro or anything but he had talent and would be long term back up here in Dallas with the ability to start a few games if need be

I just don't think we know if that is the case. He's a straight-line runner with power and speed. Maybe that would have been enough for some success behind this line, but it would have limited the running game's effectiveness IMO. But that's all speculation. What we know of him right now is that he hasn't gotten on the field as a running back yet in a regular-season game, and it's possible he never will or it's possible he'll become what you think he can become.

I don't like to play with projections because most of the time it turns into a grass-is-greener view of a player. Jackson is better than Dunbar in some fans' minds because they've seen enough of Dunbar to know what he is and assume ability with Jackson instead of believing that the coaching staff who saw him every day didn't see enough to keep him.

I'm not saying the coaching staff couldn't be wrong, just that there is no reason to assume Jackson is more than just the guy that they didn't think showed enough to knock a backup with a one-year deal off the roster.

 

[The Quest for Six]

It wasn't Dunbar he was waived for, but McFadden coming off the injury list.

That wasn't the point, keeping Dunbar over Jackson was the point

 

[AsthmaField]

I just don't think we know if that is the case. He's a straight-line runner with power and speed. Maybe that would have been enough for some success behind this line, but it would have limited the running game's effectiveness IMO. But that's all speculation. What we know of him right now is that he hasn't gotten on the field as a running back yet in a regular-season game, and it's possible he never will or it's possible he'll become what you think he can become.

I don't like to play with projections because most of the time it turns into a grass-is-greener view of a player. Jackson is better than Dunbar in some fans' minds because they've seen enough of Dunbar to know what he is and assume ability with Jackson instead of believing that the coaching staff who saw him every day didn't see enough to keep him.

I'm not saying the coaching staff couldn't be wrong, just that there is no reason to assume Jackson is more than just the guy that they didn't think showed enough to knock a backup with a one-year deal off the roster.

Good, smart post.

 

[gimmesix]

They ONLY waived him because their ridiculous thinking was to try to get him on the practice squad to keep that JAG in Dunbar, often injured, barely used who wasn't going to be back this year anyway.....You didn't use a 6th round selection if you thought he was JAG, he wasn't here long enough to even make that determination and showed enough in training camp and preseason with a third tier offensive line to keep him. Jerry got cute trying to sneak him on the practice squad...can't sneak players late in the season when clubs out of the playoff race are looking to snag guys to get a look at, that's why 13 teams put in a claim for him.....Now Dallas needs a young back to develop and relieve Elliot because McFadden and Morris are getting a little long in the teeth......

Sixth-round picks are mainly drafted on potential. Most of them turn out to be JAGs.

Dallas saw size and speed with Jackson, but not enough from him to not expose him to waivers. Other teams wanted to pick him up because of that same potential. That Dallas valued that oft-injured, barely-used JAG Dunbar more than Jackson should be fairly telling, but instead some apparently see this untapped superstar in the making. Again, I would have preferred keeping him over Dunbar to see what will become of him, but I see no reason to blast the team for not thinking he was anything special.

If he becomes Cleveland's starter and runs for 4-plus yards per carry and 1,000 yards, then we can lament. Otherwise, we can draft another Darius Jackson next year. We might can even go one better and find a back who proves that he doesn't deserve to be cut like fifth-rounders Jordan Howard and Jay Ajayi.

 

[Stash]

I did not say the offensive line has nothing to do with it, only that you cannot put just any back behind a great offensive line and expect that back to be great. Jackson was a JAG. If he had not been a JAG, we would not have cut him.

Hey did this team draft "a JAG" in the 6th round and not just sign "a JAG" as a free agent?

Even worse, why did they keep "a JAG" on the roster until December???

And even, even worse, why did 13 teams - including 1st on the waiver list - put in an immediate claim for "a JAG"?

Inquiring minds want to know!

He averaged 3.5 YPC for us in the preseason because he's a big back with speed but more of a straight-line runner. Maybe he becomes a fast power back and succeeds or maybe his limited movement skills keeps him from ever being much more than what we saw last preseason. Now, I would have preferred that we kept him long enough to sort that out, but I'm certainly not going to be upset over a player who showed that the only reason to keep him was because of his size and speed and not because of his preseason production. The only real exciting thing he did in the preseason was showing he was a decent receiver out of the backfield and scoring on an 18-yard catch and run.

What did Dunbar do during that same time period? Just so we have an even comparison.

 

[tyke1doe]

Because of the money invested in others.

But if he showed any promise, you get him for cheap and let go someone who makes more money like McFadden or Randle.

The simple truth may be that for all his measureables, he might not be as good as some Cowboys fans think he is.