What impact will Buehler actually have?

[Four]

I think some of you are jealous no one ever makes Buehler jokes about you, and with an attitude like that no one ever will.

on another note, kickers are not trade material, teams would just wait for us to cut Folk if Buehler is accurate enough to take over the sole roll of kicker. Folk seems like he has ice water in his veins, I think that makes him pretty special.

 

[superpunk]

They laughed when the Bears took Hester in the second. LAUGHED!

Who's laughing now?

 

[ddh33]

The Panthers kickoff specialist was huge for them last year. When you add in the other things that Buehler might be able to do for this team, I think he can have a significant impact.

I really like his versatility though, and I wouldn't be surprised if more and more teams started targetting players with many skills due to wanting to save roster spots and gameday place.

 

[Four]

They laughed when the Bears took Hester in the second. LAUGHED!

Who's laughing now?

I am, but I think it's at something completely unrelated.

 

[superpunk]

I am, but I think it's at something completely unrelated.

It's not all out, yet.

 

[Four]

It's not all out, yet.

sure it isn't, big guy.

 

[AbeBeta]

if he is using roster spot as a second kicker i want him to do everything he is capable of doing to make an impact......and he is a grown up you do know he is 6'2" 227# ? (thats bigger than the average SS) and very athletic.....if he has an X factor we should take advantage of it.....
don get me wrong I think his only contributions will be on kick offs...but if he can hit...i say let him hit

He may be bigger than the average safety.

However the average NFL safeties have something on him. They have actually played the position. So his size is irrelevant.

Look folks, I know a ton of you have this huge banana in your pocket every time you think about how tough our new kicker is. But the bottom line is that he is here because of his leg, not his tackling, not his ability in any other area. The last thing you want is him doing anything more than being the last line of defense on kickoffs.

 

[Four]

I think it would be pretty cool to have another guy in kickoff coverage, I think that buehler could do that, and I think maybe because we have two kickers we wouldn't need to be careful about using buehler in that role.

 

[Alexander]

I cannot think of a single kickoff specialist that can run the 40 as quick as Buehler or rep 225 pounds twenty-five times.

How many times have you actually paid attention to how fast a kicker runs or how many times he can bench 225? My guess would be never. There are several big athletic kickers in this league, but they kick (Jeff Reed, Sebastian Jankowski, Joe Nedney). Just because they look like they can hold their own in a bar fight doesn't say they can play special teams football at a high level.

I know it is all exciting to pretend we have this jack of all trades Superman who can kickoff, kick long field goals, be an up-back, play on punt coverages, cure cancer and so on. But until I see this player actually doing any of the things that are being bandied about in this thread, I won't take him seriously as anything else but a specialist. Just because USC experimented with him at fullback and safety in practice doesn't mean he can come close to performing either duty at an NFL level.

People want to take this player and make him an up-back. We had bigger stronger and more athletic players playing on our punt teams and McBriar got injured because one of them didn't do his job. But since he's a "freak" that can run fast and bench a lot, he's suddenly qualified to do more? He's a project until I hear DeCamillis say he can do it. So far, all there is nothing but conjecture and some overactive imaginations based off fluff generated to explain why on earth we drafted a kickoff specialist in the fifth round.

The real discussion should center on the impact of carrying two specialists on the roster. I don't think there is much evidence to support the idea he's most certainly going to do a lot more. Let's see him in action doing these things in preseason before we annoint him.

He'll do a good job as a specialist. The issue is at what expense.

 

[superpunk]

He may be bigger than the average safety.

However the average NFL safeties have something on him. They have actually played the position. So his size is irrelevant.

Look folks, I know a ton of you have this huge banana in your pocket every time you think about how tough our new kicker is. But the bottom line is that he is here because of his leg, not his tackling, not his ability in any other area. The last thing you want is him doing anything more than being the last line of defense on kickoffs.

You're a bigger buzzkill than Buzz Killington.

 

[AdamJT13]

People want to take this player and make him an up-back.

Those "people" are actual NFL coaches, you know.

 

[Alexander]

Those "people" are actual NFL coaches, you know.

Talking about it and doing it are two different things. Like I indicated before, when I hear it from DeCamillis and he's out there on the field proving it, I'll believe it.

The "actual NFL coaches" also suggested we would have DeAngelo Smith try CB, that doesn't mean he's going to march out there and be an effective fifth or sixth CB tomorrow. Patrick Crayton and Isaiah Stanback played QB at a high level in college, should we have them as our third string on a regular basis?

 

[juck]

How many times have you actually paid attention to how fast a kicker runs or how many times he can bench 225? My guess would be never. There are several big athletic kickers in this league, but they kick (Jeff Reed, Sebastian Jankowski, Joe Nedney). Just because they look like they can hold their own in a bar fight doesn't say they can play special teams football at a high level.

I know it is all exciting to pretend we have this jack of all trades Superman who can kickoff, kick long field goals, be an up-back, play on punt coverages, cure cancer and so on. But until I see this player actually doing any of the things that are being bandied about in this thread, I won't take him seriously as anything else but a specialist. Just because USC experimented with him at fullback and safety in practice doesn't mean he can come close to performing either duty at an NFL level.

People want to take this player and make him an up-back. We had bigger stronger and more athletic players playing on our punt teams and McBriar got injured because one of them didn't do his job. But since he's a "freak" that can run fast and bench a lot, he's suddenly qualified to do more? He's a project until I hear DeCamillis say he can do it. So far, all there is nothing but conjecture and some overactive imaginations based off fluff generated to explain why on earth we drafted a kickoff specialist in the fifth round.

The real discussion should center on the impact of carrying two specialists on the roster. I don't think there is much evidence to support the idea he's most certainly going to do a lot more. Let's see him in action doing these things in preseason before we annoint him.

He'll do a good job as a specialist. The issue is at what expense.

There may be athletic kickers,but the three u mentioned are NOT one of them there Simon.:laugh1:

 

[juck]

Talking about it and doing it are two different things. Like I indicated before, when I hear it from DeCamillis and he's out there on the field proving it, I'll believe it.

The "actual NFL coaches" also suggested we would have DeAngelo Smith try CB, that doesn't mean he's going to march out there and be an effective fifth or sixth CB tomorrow. Patrick Crayton and Isaiah Stanback played QB at a high level in college, should we have them as our third string on a regular basis?

I would run if I was you.Buehler knows ur name!

 

[PullMyFinger]

I expect he will continue to fuel many not-funny-for-several-months-now jokes

Or Chuck Norris references.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Talking about it and doing it are two different things. Like I indicated before, when I hear it from DeCamillis and he's out there on the field proving it, I'll believe it.

The "actual NFL coaches" also suggested we would have DeAngelo Smith try CB, that doesn't mean he's going to march out there and be an effective fifth or sixth CB tomorrow. Patrick Crayton and Isaiah Stanback played QB at a high level in college, should we have them as our third string on a regular basis?

They are doing it. Try reading the practice reports from when they were working on the punting game.

The guy played safety and LB in JC. IOW, two years ago.

 

[AdamJT13]

Talking about it and doing it are two different things. Like I indicated before, when I hear it from DeCamillis and he's out there on the field proving it, I'll believe it.

The "actual NFL coaches" also suggested we would have DeAngelo Smith try CB, that doesn't mean he's going to march out there and be an effective fifth or sixth CB tomorrow. Patrick Crayton and Isaiah Stanback played QB at a high level in college, should we have them as our third string on a regular basis?

DeAngelo Smith is practicing at cornerback. Is it "overactive imagination" to think that he has a chance to play cornerback in the NFL? The coaches don't think so.

Crayton was our emergency quarterback when we carried just two on the roster, so no less than Bill Parcells apparently thought that he could fill that role. Stanback, as far as I know, has never practiced at quarterback since he's been here.

All anyone is saying is that Buehler has a chance to contribute elsewhere on special teams if he's good enough, and he's practicing there to see if that's actually the case. If it wasn't at least a possibility, I doubt Joe D would be wasting his time with him.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think for this year he'll have his biggest impact in the months of September and October. Still some warm weather in those months. He'll be 'nice to have' in November and December, but I probably wouldn't expect too many touchbacks as we play @Philly, @Green Bay, @NYG and @Wash in those months. We do play @New Orleans in December, but that's a dome so that won't be an issue. He'll also have to keep his leg fresh. Believe it or not, that's one of the bigger transitions for a kicker going from the college game, their legs get worn out since the schedule is more intense in the NFL.

Would be nice to know who is doing the placeholding. Would really like to see Buehler take over that as even though he doesn't have the throwing ability of a backup QB, he's probably more athletic if a snap is botched and botched snaps usually call for the placeholder to have to run it. I'd rather see him doing the placeholding instead of relying on a backup QB to do it.

We could do some other things with him, but I'm guessing since he's a rookie and a real rare type of player, we'll probably be a bit precautionary with him this season and experiment more with him next season. The big thing is how the 2-man wedge rule will effect the league. If Buehler is getting tons of touchbacks, that's great. But, if the rest of the league and the Cowboys simply cannot be effective in the return game with the new 2-man wedge rule, than the advantage of having a guy that can do touchback after touchback really isn't that great.

Stupid rules committee.




YAKUZA

 

[Echo9]

All of you who think this kid is going to do anything other than kickoff need to take a reality pill.

Good athlete will get you practicing at other positions in college - it doesn't cut it in the NFL where most of the players you are going against have played their positions for years.

I don't think anyone is thinking that he'll be playing at a particular position. Its other ST coverage units (punts) that he may be able to handle if he can hit....which it seems he can.

 

[AKATheRake]

I like what he brings on field position but I'm not happy about the lost roster spot. I think we are going to lose a receiver or db that we desperately need for depth. We WILL have injuries this year and I'm afraid that those 2 areas are going to be hard hit without a viable replacement because we have someone on our team just for kickoffs. Think about it. There are going to be games this year that he sees the field just 3 times.... 1 on the opening / halftime kickoff and maybe for 2 more scores. I just wonder about the longterm value of such a specialized spot. He's not even contributing by kicking fieldgoals... just kickoffs.

Or an O-lineman and/or LB.