What is everyone's obession with Cowher?

[Stash]

A big part of it is the Jerry factor.

If you believe that Jerry is a big part of the problem and that the team needs a stronger head coach who isn't undercut by the owner/GM, then a retread (like Cowher and, maybe, Gruden) looks like a better candidate.

The assumption is that a skins-on-the-wall retread head coach is the only guy who Jerry is likely to empower with greater control.

That's definitely another factor.

In my book, Cowher wouldn't talk to Jerry without assurances of greater control.

If that doesn't happen, it will tell this fan that we're in for more of the same...

 

[Number82]

Where in my post did I say mention or imply anything about Cowboys not winning big games?

Dude, are you drunk?

First, I'm not drunk. Thanks for your concern though.

Your arguement was Cowher has won big games, and my point was so has Wade ... Every coach who coaches long enough will win some big games.

 

[Number82]

Wade has how many playoff appearances/wins?

And before the last Super Bowl run Cowher was 8-9 in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a losing record. He doesn't get that much slack on the rope in Dallas. I don't care what you say.

Yeah, you used a two-year span compared to 15. Great work detective.

I'm not going to go into detail that your math is terrible, but 2007, 2008, 2009 is three years. But my point is you can skew stats to promote your agenda. [/quote]

 

[bigE79]

I Hate Cowher

 

[birdwells1]

I'll quickly respond with a question:

What has Harbaugh done?

Cowher made it to the Super Bowl in Year 2. Conspicuously absent in your negative-sided argument. He took a team of journeymen and came close to beating Dallas' greatest dynasty. I can see why that wouldn't make a post trying to undermine him.



He made it to two Super Bowls, winning one. He also built the team that did win it again, just like Jimmy Johnson did in Dallas.



149-90-1 career record, .623 winning percentage 3 losing seasons in 15 years as Steelers coach.

8 division titles in 15 years, ten trips to the playoffs.

At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the league in the time since Cowher was hired as coach. If that doesn't speak of his abilities, you're simply not looking.



And last but not least, check out the list of quality assistants that Cowher hired during his tenure in Pittsburgh:

Dom Capers (who just completely shut down our offense Sunday Night)
Chan Gailey (has a talentless Buffalo team at least playing hard which is more than we can say)
Jim Haslett (his defense beat us in Week 1)
Mike Mularkey
Ken Whisenhunt
Dick LeBeau ('nuff said)
Marvin Lewis

And that's to say nothing of the quality staff that Mike Tomlin continues to ride to success.

How anyone can tout Harbaugh who hasn't done anything while trying to undermine Cowher's credentials is beyond me...

Let's see Dick Lebeau was DC with the Steelers twice, first was 1992-1996 and second is 2004-present. Guess when the Steelers went to the SB and when they didn't, that's right they mysteriously missed the SB in the time period that Lebeau was HC of the Bengals.
So let's see Cowher left and Tomlin came in and they won another SB guess whose the one constant, right LeBeau. In my opinion Cowher is another Ditka, didn't do a thing before Buddy and didn't do a thing after him and that 46 defense left. Like someone said they just look coachy.

 

[BrassCowboy]

A big part of it is the Jerry factor.

If you believe that Jerry is a big part of the problem and that the team needs a stronger head coach who isn't undercut by the owner/GM, then a retread (like Cowher and, maybe, Gruden) looks like a better candidate.

The assumption is that a skins-on-the-wall retread head coach is the only guy who Jerry is likely to empower with greater control.

hmmm that is just about every coach out there, isn't it?

Cowher is not some old age coach suffering from middle age. He had a very credible career as a coach with the Steelers. I am not going to go dig up all the stats, but he brought them to 2 superbowls, and numerous confernce championship games, and obvious numerous division titles. Why would anyone here use number of years it took between superbowls when you consider what he has done in and in between, besides it is the overall philosophy he will bring which produces winning teams, not youth or "someone fresh" just cuz they never coached a real team in the NFL.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I'm not a big Cowher fan, rather have Gruden..but what I think we need is a coach who Jerry will respect and defer to and Cowher might be the only guy.

 

[BrassCowboy]

And before the last Super Bowl run Cowher was 8-9 in the playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a losing record. He doesn't get that much slack on the rope in Dallas. I don't care what you say.


I'm not going to go into detail that your math is terrible, but 2007, 2008, 2009 is three years. But my point is you can skew stats to promote your agenda.

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then use results, Cowher got em

 

[Number82]

then use results, Cowher got em

Results, like 8 division titles in 15 years? 53% of the time.

3% higher than Wade's 50% as the Dallas head coach, yet we want him gone.

 

[BAT]

Don't much like Cowher myself, but he is not the worst option out there for sure.

Best thing about him is that his rep is built on dominant defenses (rightly or wrongly) but he loves the running game, and he will pay as much attention to the success of the ST (former ST coach). 3 things that the Cowboys desperately need to upgrade.

 

[SacredStar]

Jon Gruden, Jim Harbaugh or Perry Fewell.

I doubt Perry has a shot, but I would like to see what he can do.

I think Jerry goes after a big name that appeals to the fans, that is why Cowher and Gruden keep popping up.

 

[CATCH17]

What is everyones obsession with Gruden is the better question.

 

[InmanRoshi]

One thing I like about Cowher is he could raid the current/former Steelers braintrust and load up on good coaches. Russ Grimm as the OC. Keith Butler as the DC (who's probably even better than LeBeau). Cowher would probably demand so much power he could probably get Jerry to bring in someone like Ron Hughes as his scouting director. (Since Mike Tomlin is supposedly this great coach, how about we see what he does with his own hand picked coaches without Cowher's support staff around him for once?)


I hope people do realize you're not just hiring a head coach, but you're hiring an entire staff. People think Jim Harbaugh is going to have success just because his brother John did, but John works under one of the top football general managers in the NFL.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

I'm a huge fan of Cowher because he has that grit and is a cool, humble guy off the field. But I gotta say. I think Chuckie is Cowher 2.0. So I think Chuckie is the better man for the job.

I will say one of the reasons the Browns and Bengals sucked so bad is because Cowher played a huge part in consistently beating them. It's what you do against rivals.

 

[UnoDallas]

yea like Cowher can get these guys

an OMG not Chuckie

I got in my sign

No Head Coach has ever won Super Bowls with 2 teams

not happening here either

 

[InmanRoshi]

yea like Cowher can get these guys

an OMG not Chuckie

My guess is you probably didn't have the foggiest idea who those guys were until I listed them. Now you're an expert on whether or not Cowher can get them.

 

[Ratmatt]

Let me start off by saying I'm on the Jim Harbaugh bandwagon. I've very impressed that he's turned Stanford into a legit program. He also, is a former NFL player and spent a small amount of time as a NFL QB coach. I think he's the next star coach in the NFL.

Back to my topic ...I just don't get it why people are so obsessed with Cowher.

What has he done? Won one Super Bowl and a bunch of division titles (8) in 15 seasons. It took him 14 years to win a Super Bowl.

Let's break it down:He wins the division title aproximately half of the time?
I'm pretty sure Wade has two division titles in Dallas in 4 years (3.5 technically). So Wade has about the same percentage (53% to 50%)
He won one Super Bowl in 14 years. No Cowboys coach except Landry has even coached this team that long. With our fan base, no coach would have that long. Expectations are too high. Wade went 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, 1-7 ... So two divison titles and three winning records in 3 and a 1/2 seasons and he sucks.

Cowher is 12-9 in the playoffs. Before the Steelers went 4-0 in the playoffs when the won the Super Bowl in his 14th season, he was 8-9 in the playoffs. Cowher has over a quarter of his wins against the Bengals and Browns (who for many years were some of the worst teams in football). Great coach, huh?

Basically, my point is that I'm curious as to what makes Cowher the favorite of so many people? I think and have always thought he's a highly overrated coach. I'm not defending Wade at all or saying Cowher completely sucks, but I don't think Cowher is anything special.

I like Cowher,but I'm with you on Jim Harbaugh.Harbaugh is who I want as next head coach.I just don't think he is going the college route.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah, let's go get that new hot new name coordinator flavor of the month or college coach. They always work out well. Well, except for ...

Mike Singletary
Mike Smith
Tony Sparano
Jim Zorn
Cam Cameron
Lane Kiffin
Bobby Petrino
Emmitt Thomas
Ken Whisenhunt
Brad Childress
Gary Kubiak
Scott Linehan
Eric Mangini
Rod Marinelli
Mike McCarthy
Romeo Crennel
Mike Nolan
Nick Saban
Joe Vitt
Jim Bates
Jim Mora Jr.
Mike Mularkey
Lovie Smith
Jack Del Rio
Marvin Lewis
Bill Callahan
Steve Spurrier
Butch Davis
Herman Edwards
Marty Mornhinweg
Mike Tice
Gregg Williams
Dave Campo
Al Groh
Jim Haslett
Mike Martz
Dave McGinnis
Gary Moeller
Terry Robiskie
Mike Sherman
Gunther Cunningham
Dick Jauron
Chris Palmer
Mike Riley
Chan Gailey
Jim Fassel
Kevin Gilbride
Vince Tobin
Rich Brooks
Dom Capers
Dennis Erickson
Ray Rhodes
Mike White
Pete Carroll
June Jones
Norv Turner
Richie Petitbon
Dave Wannstedt
Bobby Ross
David Shula
Ray Handley
Dick MacPherson
Rick Venturi
Joe Bugel
Bruce Coslet
Rod Rust
Jim Shofner
Richard Williamson

That's just in the 1990's and 2000s. ...but I've heard 4 or 5 of them worked out real well.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Personally i want a new face, Rob Ryan is my top choice. Wanted Rex instead of Wade 3 1/2 seasons ago.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Results, like 8 division titles in 15 years? 53% of the time.

3% higher than Wade's 50% as the Dallas head coach, yet we want him gone.

are you seriously using Wade's THREE years here? You cannot compare 3 years to 15 years no matter how you slice it, that is bad math