What Kind of Sense Does This Make?

If you are a poster who thinks we can't be a good team because we have been 8 and 8 last year ..... I don't know why you even bother being a Cowboys fan. Why not just boycott the team until they win a super bowl and then jump back on the band wagon next year?
 
DOUBLE WING said:
McCarthy has been coaching longer. Whats the point?
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The point is that experience is going to trump non-experience every time.

What was McCarrhy's record after three years as a head coach? Do you think that McCarthy would have a better record than Garret does with the same team that Garrett inherited?
 
DOUBLE WING said:
Trying to compare teams this way is so stupid. Most of the teams we lost to last year, if you had done an on-paper position-by-position matchup, we would have come out on top. There's more to the game than names. You need coaches who can get the most out of those names. Thus far, we haven't had that. Green Bay does.
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Nah, not really. The middle of our defense was gutted last year (and Ware was playing with one arm at the end), so I think we would have compared very unfavorably at most positions. Our offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, safeties, running backs were all pretty horrid after injuries took their toll. We had no juice. This year (as of right now), we've got more juice than a Florida orange grove. With Ware and Spencer pinning their ears back and rushing (not to mention Hatcher and Ratliff up the middle) and Lee and Carter patrolling the middle of the field, I'm confident we have a top-five front seven right now. And I think our corners will rate pretty highly too. There are certainly more question marks on offense but give Romo even a second longer and it could make all the difference.
 
5Stars said:
The point is that experience is going to trump non-experience every time.

What was McCarrhy's record after three years as a head coach? Do you think that McCarthy would have a better record than Garret does with the same team that Garrett inherited?
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McCarthy had a better record, along with an NFC Championship game appearance in his first three years, so I don't think there's much comparison.

McCarthy inherited a bad team too. They were 4-12 before he took over. Two years later they were in the NFC Championship game.

I'm not saying Garrett can't do that this year. I'm saying, really, that forecasting us to be better than the Packers right now just seems ridiculous. Mainly because I hate the idea of forecasting based off of how a team looks "on paper." If I'm going to do prognosticating, I like it to be based a little bit on fact. Right now, we may be better than Green Bay at more positions than they are better than us, but they have the much better QB and coach until proven otherwise. In today's NFL, that's often all that matters.
 
cowboys2233 said:
Nah, not really. The middle of our defense was gutted last year (and Ware was playing with one arm at the end), so I think we would have compared very unfavorably at most positions. Our offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, safeties, running backs were all pretty horrid after injuries took their toll. We had no juice. This year (as of right now), we've got more juice than a Florida orange grove. With Ware and Spencer pinning their ears back and rushing (not to mention Hatcher and Ratliff up the middle) and Lee and Carter patrolling the middle of the field, I'm confident we have a top-five front seven right now. And I think our corners will rate pretty highly too. There are certainly more question marks on offense but give Romo even a second longer and it could make all the difference.
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Really? We're going to use injuries as an excuse?

Since you're comparing us to the Packers, let's use them as an example. Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson missed significant time at WR. They had an awful group of RB's and among that group, Cedric Benson and James Starks each missed significant time. Their defense was absolutely decimated. Desmond Bishop missed the whole season. Charles Woodson missed most of the season. Clay Matthews, Sam Shields missed significant time.

Point being? Everyone deals with injuries. GB was hit hard with them last year and still managed an 11-5 season.
 
cowboys2233 said:
So if they improve in one of two fundamental aspects of offense (passing, rushing) and one of two fundamental aspects of defense (stopping the pass, stopping the run), they're as good a team as any? Good to know.
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It's all about parity. You could say the same thing about the Cowboys. Just look how close the Cowboys played the Ravens last year. Power rankings are just cannon fodder for junk articles. Teams are too close to rank from 1-32. It's never gonna add up when a team that wins 3 more games than the Cowboys is ranked 14 spots above them. If your gonna keep reading that junk at least have a little salt and lemon with it. Keep hoping the Cowboys stay under the radar. Allot of people are seeing it come together but writers and Jerry haters and Romo haters don't wanna let go of that delicious bone they been chewing on the last 3 years.
 
DOUBLE WING said:
Really? We're going to use injuries as an excuse?

Since you're comparing us to the Packers, let's use them as an example. Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson missed significant time at WR. They had an awful group of RB's and among that group, Cedric Benson and James Starks each missed significant time. Their defense was absolutely decimated. Desmond Bishop missed the whole season. Charles Woodson missed most of the season. Clay Matthews, Sam Shields missed significant time.

Point being? Everyone deals with injuries. GB was hit hard with them last year and still managed an 11-5 season.
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Just exactly what is your point? The packers are head and shoulders above the Cowboys? The packers won 1 more playoff game than the Cowboys. The injuries don't even compare, the pack was just in the SB a couple years ago and the Cowboys don't even have most of the players they had that year.
 
If performance means anything...

passing offense: Packers 1st, Cowboys 9th (the edge that several have mentioned, and that some downplay and others exaggerate)

passing defense: Packers 4th, Cowboys 29th (the huge disparity that seldom gets mentioned, and is the reason the Packers were a playoff team and the Cowboys were not)
 
At this early stage, you really have to put GB well ahead of Dallas.
Check back in at mid-season and hopefully it's a different story!
 
Risen Star said:
I'll take the Packers RBs over ours. I might take their WRs too, though Dez is obviously by far the best WR on either team.
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Two rookie Rbs is somehow superior to what we have here?

Do you even make any attempt at objectivity?
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Two rookie Rbs is somehow superior to what we have here?

Do you even make any attempt at objectivity?
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Why couldn't two rookie backs out perform the often injured DeMarco Murray, a late round rookie and couple of undrafted free agents?

Oh, that's right. Because they're Cowboys.
 
percyhoward said:
If performance means anything...

passing offense: Packers 1st, Cowboys 9th (the edge that several have mentioned, and that some downplay and others exaggerate)

passing defense: Packers 4th, Cowboys 29th (the huge disparity that seldom gets mentioned, and is the reason the Packers were a playoff team and the Cowboys were not)
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Just imagine how much wider the gap would be if the Packers had better players than the Cowboys.
 
Risen Star said:
Why couldn't two rookie backs out perform the often injured DeMarco Murray, a late round rookie and couple of undrafted free agents?

Oh, that's right. Because they're Cowboys.
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What? This has nothing to do with the players being on the Cowboys. If you can help it please try and be less obtuse.

This has everything to do with the fact that the player Demarco has performed at a pro-bowl level when healthy.

Lacy and Franklin have yet to play an NFL down. They weren't even heavily regarded prospects hence both sliding in the draft.

Well you could say that Demarco is injury prone. Fair. But how are you projecting Lacy and Franklin to be less injury prone? How do we know their bodies are better suited to the NFL pounding a RB takes? Oh wait. That's right you can't because they have yet to play an NFL down.

It would appear to me to be the height of stupidity to declare two unheralded rbs better than a guy who when healthy performs at a pro-bowl level and dismiss any criticism of such stance as blind homerism.
 
dcstands4 said:
Packers have a better chance to make the playoff because Aaron Rogers is god. The Cowboys havent shown anyone anything over the past few years except missing the playoff. It's not fair but it is what it is
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Uh oh...rational thinking around here...better watch out.
 
Based on our injuries last year, I'm not sure we have GreenBay beat clearly at at any position group except TEs.

But this is 2013, so that story could really change.
Knock-knock


One pretty good debate would be WRs.
Randle Cobb, Jordy Nelson, James Jones
Vs our guys is a good race. Dez beats them all but they do have 3 good ones.
Our linebackers will hopefully rule this year.
 
OhSnap said:
Just exactly what is your point? The packers are head and shoulders above the Cowboys? The packers won 1 more playoff game than the Cowboys. The injuries don't even compare, the pack was just in the SB a couple years ago and the Cowboys don't even have most of the players they had that year.
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My point is that there is no logical basis for saying Cowboys are a better football team than the Packers. Just blind faith.
 
DOUBLE WING said:
My point is that there is no logical basis for saying Cowboys are a better football team than the Packers. Just blind faith.
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I agree with the OP. Last year the Packers lost 5 games compared to our 8, but the reality is that the Packers also had a much easier schedule than us.

If you break down position by position, objectively most would consider us a better team.

I'll be interested in what Romo can do this year with an improved offensive line and a lot more weapons on offense, on top of what should be a much better defense.
 
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