What next for the Mavericks?

[jterrell]

BTW, someone in Nets org has a huge mouth and can't shut up.
We know everything they try as they try it.

 

[Temo]

BTW, someone in Nets org has a huge mouth and can't shut up.
We know everything they try as they try it.

10:1 odds it isn't someone on the Nets talking. Deron trade had zero leaks. Wallace trade had zero leaks. International signings had zero leaks. Joe Johnson trade leaked 20 hours before it happened.

It's someone on the Magic, possibly the GM himself, trying to gin up better trades from Houston/LA or some other team.

As a nets fan, I'm tired of the D-12 stuff. It's so not worth it anymore to listen to rumors.

 

[Biggems]

No I guess the rule is when u win the bid u must stay under the cap. Mavs are under as far as players but have so many TPE,MLE,and trade exceptions that it all adds up as todatl cap. They basically would have to renounce the mini mle or the likes or amnesty Wood. Stupid rules of the NBA. Meanwhile Nets are gonna be like literally 40 million over cap and the Russian is willing to pay the taxes. he may pay way into the billions. he doesnt care. its skewed like baseball.Although you lose Mle,and a bunch of other things.

apparently you never paid attention to the spending spree of Cuban over the last several years. The Mavs have had one of the highest payrolls ever since Cuban took over.....Imagine if he and the rest of the league had to actually function like the Spurs, counting their pennies.......Would the Lakers be as successful? Would the Mavs have won a title? Would Boston have had their run?.........who knows. But, it seems that the Mavs are going to look absolutely different, minus a few players, as compared to their title year. It is almost like a hockey team to be honest.

But out of the 3 Texas teams, it seems the Rockets are the only team making any progress with their roster for the upcoming season.

 

[Temo]

Yea the Spurs are the only team that has done it with almost nothing, their management and coaching is incredible. Almost no high draft picks (Duncan the exception, obviously), haven't spent much money, haven't had any stars force their way there. Every other team has had at least one if not more of these advantages.

One of the many reasons I think the Spurs are the best NBA organization.

 

[jterrell]

10:1 odds it isn't someone on the Nets talking. Deron trade had zero leaks. Wallace trade had zero leaks. International signings had zero leaks. Joe Johnson trade leaked 20 hours before it happened.

It's someone on the Magic, possibly the GM himself, trying to gin up better trades from Houston/LA or some other team.

As a nets fan, I'm tired of the D-12 stuff. It's so not worth it anymore to listen to rumors.

It's the Nets.

The leaks have been crazy. From Avery being at Deron's BDay to the JJ deal to not shutting up about the possible Howard trade. The common denominator is the Nets. We know they asked Deron about their locker rooms, their furniture and all sorts of things we never had to know. That's all leaked info. And Deron is leaking because he tweeted his info BEFORE any media knew it.

Usually it is agents leaking stuff to keep their client in the news. I bet a lot of the Howard stuff is from his agent; but the ridiculous amount of stuff leaking to Ken Berger suggests he has a source inside the Nets that won't shut up. He has a new write-up daily.

 

[jterrell]

apparently you never paid attention to the spending spree of Cuban over the last several years. The Mavs have had one of the highest payrolls ever since Cuban took over.....Imagine if he and the rest of the league had to actually function like the Spurs, counting their pennies.......Would the Lakers be as successful? Would the Mavs have won a title? Would Boston have had their run?.........who knows. But, it seems that the Mavs are going to look absolutely different, minus a few players, as compared to their title year. It is almost like a hockey team to be honest.

But out of the 3 Texas teams, it seems the Rockets are the only team making any progress with their roster for the upcoming season.

Easier to stay under the cap when you tank to get a superstar like the Spurs did. Lock up that one guy and just stay competitive around him. Like Dallas Spurs were lucky with Euros.

In fact most Dallas fans want them to pull a Spurs and sit Dirk half the season or more to get a top draft pick. Shabazz Muhammed maybe. Otherwise they may be pulling in the Dallas kid... Tony Mitchell.

Rockets and Mavs are playing the same game. Long shot galore. I'd must rather be the Spurs and have a friggin team.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

apparently you never paid attention to the spending spree of Cuban over the last several years. The Mavs have had one of the highest payrolls ever since Cuban took over....

I was going to say... What Prokorov is doing is what Cuban did for years, only on a bigger scale.

But hey, who cares. I always thought the whole "buying a championship" claim was lame, because isn't that what management is supposed to do, use all its resources to put the best possible team in place?

 

[juck]

I was going to say... What Prokorov is doing is what Cuban did for years, only on a bigger scale.

But hey, who cares. I always thought the whole "buying a championship" claim was lame, because isn't that what management is supposed to do, use all its resources to put the best possible team in place?

A bigger scale? He is going to pay over 250 million just in taxes. 250 million dude. That Euro soccer territory. Jerry Jones has pocket change compared to this dude.

 

[Biggems]

Easier to stay under the cap when you tank to get a superstar like the Spurs did. Lock up that one guy and just stay competitive around him. Like Dallas Spurs were lucky with Euros.

In fact most Dallas fans want them to pull a Spurs and sit Dirk half the season or more to get a top draft pick. Shabazz Muhammed maybe. Otherwise they may be pulling in the Dallas kid... Tony Mitchell.

Rockets and Mavs are playing the same game. Long shot galore. I'd must rather be the Spurs and have a friggin team.

tank? really?

The Spurs were not even the worst team in the league, that was Boston. The Spurs lucked into the top pick via the ping pong balls. Also, Robinson had an injured back and fractured left foot that limited him to 6 games that season. Elliott missed over half the season with tendonitis in his right quads. He played the first half of the season, toughing it out, before opting for surgery and missing the final 38 games. So we had our top 2 players out for most of the season due to injuries, with zero guarantee that we would get the top pick, and yet we tanked.......

So you get tendonitis in your quad, fracture your foot, or injure your back and then try to function normally, much less play professional basketball.

what a foolish comment by you terrell.....

 

[jterrell]

tank? really?

The Spurs were not even the worst team in the league, that was Boston. The Spurs lucked into the top pick via the ping pong balls. Also, Robinson had an injured back and fractured left foot that limited him to 6 games that season. Elliott missed over half the season with tendonitis in his right quads. He played the first half of the season, toughing it out, before opting for surgery and missing the final 38 games. So we had our top 2 players out for most of the season due to injuries, with zero guarantee that we would get the top pick, and yet we tanked.......

So you get tendonitis in your quad, fracture your foot, or injure your back and then try to function normally, much less play professional basketball.

what a foolish comment by you terrell.....

The Spurs flat tanked. They sat their stars for the season when those guys would have played games had they been in a playoff race.

Dallas fans want us to the do the same thing. It isnt an insult but it is very true.

In fact google "tank for tim duncan" and you'll get tons of hits. It's widely accepted they did just that...tendinitis in a quad... bwaaaaaaaaa. That's exactly what we want Dirk to have next year.

Duncan was known to be a generational star and he has been. Putting him next to Robinson was unreal.

Dallas would love to pair next years top 3 pick with Dirk and a high-priced free agent stud. Same ridiculous advantage.

Pretty soon you'll be telling Dwight Howard tried his best this year and was just too hurt to play. Any NBA player can claim legit injury. It doesn't mean they'd sit regardless of circumstances.

What about CLE did they tank for LeBron? Bobcats this year? Of course they did. Being middle of the road is the worst place to be. You want to be top 8 or bottom 4.

 

[Biggems]

The Spurs flat tanked. They sat their stars for the season when those guys would have played games had they been in a playoff race.

Dallas fans want us to the do the same thing. It isnt an insult but it is very true.

In fact google "tank for tim duncan" and you'll get tons of hits. It's widely accepted they did just that...tendinitis in a quad... bwaaaaaaaaa. That's exactly what we want Dirk to have next year.

Duncan was known to be a generational star and he has been. Putting him next to Robinson was unreal.

Dallas would love to pair next years top 3 pick with Dirk and a high-priced free agent stud. Same ridiculous advantage.

Pretty soon you'll be telling Dwight Howard tried his best this year and was just too hurt to play. Any NBA player can claim legit injury. It doesn't mean they'd sit regardless of circumstances.

What about CLE did they tank for LeBron? Bobcats this year? Of course they did. Being middle of the road is the worst place to be. You want to be top 8 or bottom 4.

So you are saying not playing Robinson with a fractured foot is tanking? ok

Also, if the season was pretty much lost already, why risk Elliott to further injury.....that would be stupid. Let him have surgery and bring he and a healthy Robinson back for another run at the top spot in the Conference.

The whole Spurs tanked conspiracy is something drawn up by the jealous teams that lost out on Duncan.....mostly Boston.

 

[jterrell]

So you are saying not playing Robinson with a fractured foot is tanking? ok

Also, if the season was pretty much lost already, why risk Elliott to further injury.....that would be stupid. Let him have surgery and bring he and a healthy Robinson back for another run at the top spot in the Conference.

The whole Spurs tanked conspiracy is something drawn up by the jealous teams that lost out on Duncan.....mostly Boston.

No offense but you are being silly.
San Antonio won 50 games 3 years in a row prior to that season with virtually the same cast. Robinson had back injuries before but never missed any real time for it. They chose to sit him. Same with Elliot. They had a lot better than 20 win talent.

I am not bashing them but that's what happened. They went from 59 wins to 20 wins back to 56.

It isn't just Boston that recognized it as a tank job.
Boston is bitter because they were terrible and never reaching 40 wins for a quite a few seasons before and after. I cant blame them.

 

[Temo]

It's the Nets.

The leaks have been crazy. From Avery being at Deron's BDay to the JJ deal to not shutting up about the possible Howard trade. The common denominator is the Nets. We know they asked Deron about their locker rooms, their furniture and all sorts of things we never had to know. That's all leaked info. And Deron is leaking because he tweeted his info BEFORE any media knew it.

Usually it is agents leaking stuff to keep their client in the news. I bet a lot of the Howard stuff is from his agent; but the ridiculous amount of stuff leaking to Ken Berger suggests he has a source inside the Nets that won't shut up. He has a new write-up daily.

Avery being ad Deron's BDay was from Deron's wife's twitter. The Joe Johnson trade leaked 20 hours before it happened. That's normal. The Howard trade is the only trade they've done that's been leaking all over the place.

A lot of that Deron stuff is from Deron himself, and some from Jason Kidd.

 

[MC KAos]

A bigger scale? He is going to pay over 250 million just in taxes. 250 million dude. That Euro soccer territory. Jerry Jones has pocket change compared to this dude.

and thats the money that we know about, who knows what kind of crazy russian mafia type hidden money this dude has. seems convenient he has gotten out just in time in lots of companies he owned that went on to go bankrupt.

 

[juck]

and thats the money that we know about, who knows what kind of crazy russian mafia type hidden money this dude has. seems convenient he has gotten out just in time in lots of companies he owned that went on to go bankrupt.

I wonder how many holes in the russian mountains he buried peeps in

 

[MC KAos]

Easier to stay under the cap when you tank to get a superstar like the Spurs did. Lock up that one guy and just stay competitive around him. Like Dallas Spurs were lucky with Euros.

In fact most Dallas fans want them to pull a Spurs and sit Dirk half the season or more to get a top draft pick. Shabazz Muhammed maybe. Otherwise they may be pulling in the Dallas kid... Tony Mitchell.

Rockets and Mavs are playing the same game. Long shot galore. I'd must rather be the Spurs and have a friggin team.

you know david robinson played six games that year right? you are telling me that they decided to tank 6 games into the season? when they had been title contenders just a few years before? they might have ended up tanking after elliot got hurt halfway through the year, but they didnt decide to tank 6 games into the year!

and the spurs havent been "lucky" with the euro's, we have competent scouts that know what they are doing and we know what to draft, we were one of the first teams to have full time scouts in europe. we have drafted ginobili, parker, javtokas (became a star in europe after we drafted him, then had a career ending motorcycle accident) scola, barbosa, mahinmi, dragic, splitter, and a bunch of guys that are starting to become good in europe like ryan richards and nando de colo. thats not luck my friend, we know what we are doing, cant say the same for the mavs, when was the last time they had a decent draft pick? josh howard and marquis daniels? even devin harris was a disappointment considering he was the fifth overall pick!

 

[MC KAos]

I wonder how many holes in the russian mountains he buried peeps in

ya, we better stop talking about it before some ex KGBs start coming to ask us questions! :laugh2:

 

[Ren]

What's the point of even having a salary cap in the NBA?

 

[jterrell]

Avery being ad Deron's BDay was from Deron's wife's twitter. The Joe Johnson trade leaked 20 hours before it happened. That's normal. The Howard trade is the only trade they've done that's been leaking all over the place.

A lot of that Deron stuff is from Deron himself, and some from Jason Kidd.

Actually I follow Amy(dmwmama) and Deron on twitter. A lot of that stuff wasn't from them. I knew plenty of stuff about Deron that has never leaked. He is very quiet and private. His little brother and his basketball protege played for our High School the past 5 years. He came home to TC every year(but that wasn't reported and there was very little stated about his AAU team that his brother and austin both played for btw). The Kidd stuff came in the the days before his decision and was mere playing with the media. Deron actually was pissed about the leaks in NJ. Go read his timeline.

NJ has been leaking like a sieve. I didn't come up that notion. One of the NBA writers I follow did and the Mavs themselves made fun of it.

The Hawks aren't leaking anything. That's why there is so little noise about Howard going home. The Nets have us all thinking this Howard deal is done basically except it keeps dragging on. We know every new team that gets called in and exactly what each new team thinks.... And it all has an obvious NJ slant to it.

Deron was leaning heavily to Dallas but Cuban botched it all. He wanted to be here with his 4 kids. But he didn't want to hear about a bottomed out roster with just him and Dirk. Mavs screwed it up big time. But they weren't the ones leaking info. That is clear.

 

[jterrell]

you know david robinson played six games that year right? you are telling me that they decided to tank 6 games into the season? when they had been title contenders just a few years before? they might have ended up tanking after elliot got hurt halfway through the year, but they didnt decide to tank 6 games into the year!

and the spurs havent been "lucky" with the euro's, we have competent scouts that know what they are doing and we know what to draft, we were one of the first teams to have full time scouts in europe. we have drafted ginobili, parker, javtokas (became a star in europe after we drafted him, then had a career ending motorcycle accident) scola, barbosa, mahinmi, dragic, splitter, and a bunch of guys that are starting to become good in europe like ryan richards and nando de colo. thats not luck my friend, we know what we are doing, cant say the same for the mavs, when was the last time they had a decent draft pick? josh howard and marquis daniels? even devin harris was a disappointment considering he was the fifth overall pick!

I am telling you Robinson wouldn't have played ONLY 6 games had that team not been tanking. They saw they weren't a title contender as they had been yearly and wanted a shot at Duncan. No one is blaming them but only the silly argue they just gave it their gosh-darned all and tried to win games.

They fired their head coach ~20 games into the year and job tank was in full effect then. DR never came back and they sat Elliot down when he clearly could have played. They made zero moves to improve and ate the losses. But came out the next year loaded and ready to win 56 games.