What separates Romo from being Manning or Brees?

[CoolNClutch]

Co-sign on raw talent. Romo is good but in pure skill, he doesn't have what Brees and Manning have. Another thing is full control/grasp of the offense. Brees and Manning ARE the offense. It's hard to explain other than just watching them play vs. watching Romo. I think Romo is very good given the weapons he has but it's still not a full-Tony Romo offense.

I don't want to call him a "bus-driver" because he's better than that. But he's more of a pilot.

 

[Sarge]

An OL that can protect him - period.

 

[BIGDen]

Thanks Adam, I think this shows exactly the fact that there isn't much difference between them.

We need to change this offensive line, yet most people want to go into the season with the same offensive line that is clearly keeping Romo from becoming an elite quarterback.

Actually, I believe, most here would love to upgrade our OL at 2-3 spots, but the reality is that is very difficult to do. How many lineman are out there that we could get that would fit right in and upgrade us? It's not like RB where you can just plug anyone in. The same limitations that are going to allow us to keep much of our team from leaving via FA are the same limitations that will prevent us from picking up multiple stud O linemen.
As far as the QBs, they are all great and O line play definitely is a big factor in how far they go each season. There are only a few other that are on their level IMO.

 

[rynochop]

Were drops really that big of an issue last year? I know Roy had his share, outside of him I really dont recall that being a glaring problem. Maybe i'm wrong, anyone have stats to back that up?

 

[SDCowboy]

Co-sign on raw talent. Romo is good but in pure skill, he doesn't have what Brees and Manning have. Another thing is full control/grasp of the offense. Brees and Manning ARE the offense. It's hard to explain other than just watching them play vs. watching Romo. I think Romo is very good given the weapons he has but it's still not a full-Tony Romo offense.

I don't want to call him a "bus-driver" because he's better than that. But he's more of a pilot.

Romo is our Offense. We saw what happens with him out, we get blown out by a 3-13 Rams team. To say Romo isn't the offense is ludicrous. And less command than Manning on offense? Seriously? Romo and Peyton always have extremely similar stats and Manning's team only throws the ball. I don't think some people realize just how much Romo makes up for on this team.

 

[Kangaroo]

At first I thought it was a #2 wide receiver who has a higher catch percentage. And I still strongly believe this is the case. We had way too many dropped passes last year.

But under further review of the offensive line, and comparison to other elite quarterbacks I see that the offensive line play is a stronger indicator of what separates Romo from the other elite quarterbacks.

Tony Romo - 675 drop backs, 217 plays under pressure, 280 blitzes.

Let me explain what this means first.

It means that Tony Romo dropped back to pass 675 (and either passed, ran, or was sacked, but did not hand the ball off to a running back).

Of those 675 plays he was blitzed 280 times.

Romo's QB rating while being blitzed is 92.1
Romo's QB rating while under pressure is 71.5
Romo's QB rating with no pressure is 105.7

This means when teams blitzed romo, his qb rating was 92.1, when teams either failed to pick up the blitz, or just got to romo his qb rating drops to 71.5

When teams aren't blitzing him, and aren't getting to him his qb rating is 105.7.

Peyton Manning - drop backs - 715, 162 plays under pressure, 203 blitzes.

Peyton Manning's QB rating while being blitzed is 93.6
Peyton Manning's QB rating while under pressure is 77.2
Peyton Manning's QB rating with no pressure is 105.8

These numbers are nearly QB ratings are nearly identical to Romo's. Romo's QB rating is slightly lower under pressure, but the key is that Romo had 55 more plays over the year under pressure, with 35 LESS drop backs.


Drew Brees - Drop backs - 643, 167 plays under pressure, 158 blitzes.

Drew Brees's QB rating while being blitzed is 108.1
Drew Brees's QB rating while under pressure is 73.7
Drew Brees's QB rating with no pressure is 122.2

Drew Brees was probably the best qb last year, but his under pressure qb rating is almost the same as Romo's. I would say Romo is much closer to Peyton Manning right now than he is Drew Brees. But the difference isn't as great as it might seem.

Romo's numbers are nearly identical to Peyton Manning's. I think it can be really argued that Romo had a better year individually. If Romo was behind Peyton Manning's offensive line he would probably be a super bowl champion right now.

You have got to believe that we need players who can pass block better. That is our most glaring need.

Note: The stats come from ProFootballFocus.com, not NFL.com, I've seen some inconsistencies, that I do not quite understand. But I guess thats what happens when you have different people tracking stats, that said, the site seems very credible.

A real head coach and How long did it take Brees to get there remember San Diego overreacted when he struggled threw growing pains and beneched him as a young QB and then he had a shoulder problem.

It is not liek Brees has been that good since day one he grew into the QB like most do.

Lets ignore those facts

 

[Galian Beast]

Were drops really that big of an issue last year? I know Roy had his share, outside of him I really dont recall that being a glaring problem. Maybe i'm wrong, anyone have stats to back that up?

Drops, bad routes, and not catching balls in the vicinity of your body/hands.

 

[Sarge]

colston is a roy williams clone with less speed.

Do you watch the nfl or do you let espn tell you who's good?

It's clear someone hasn't watched the NFL. Colston is a top 10 WR in this league and Roy Williams name shouldn't even be in the same sentence as his.

 

[AsthmaField]

Co-sign on raw talent. Romo is good but in pure skill, he doesn't have what Brees and Manning have.

In talking about pure talent... neither Brees or Romo have what Manning has. Manning is the prototypical QB size and has the desired arm strength. While Romo and Brees have strong arms, they aren't what teams typically look for. Ditto for their size. Both are just a little over 6 foot tall.

Both Romo and Brees are shorter QB's who have less than perfect arm strength. Where they excel is in the accuracy department, football smarts, athleticism, and heart.

To say that Brees has the raw talent and Romo does not is simply BS. I'll buy that for Manning, but Brees? No way. Both he and Romo have similar physical flaws, and they both overcome those limitations in similar fashion.

 

[Hostile]

What separates Romo from being Manning or Brees is probably the qualities he has that has many comparing him to Favre.

I don't often agree with you and your hyperbolic ways of posting. On this, I think you hit a home run. Romo is a gambler more than he is a surgeon. I believe from time to time the gamblers can have better years than the surgeons do. Romo's time will come. I truly believe it is close. Kid is a fantastic QB and it is a damn shame more Cowboys fans don't realize it.

 

[Four]

It's clear someone hasn't watched the NFL. Colston is a top 10 WR in this league and Roy Williams name shouldn't even be in the same sentence as his.

yes he should, and you let your expectations taint you.

Put Roy in that offense and he would put up better numbers than colston.

Fans here are pissed at Roy and think he sucks. He is a player.

it's a chemistry thing, nothing more.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

yes he should, and you let your expectations taint you.

Put Roy in that offense and he would put up better numbers than colston.

Fans here are pissed at Roy and think he sucks. He is a player.

Hes no player, he isn't in the same conversation as Patrick Crayton.

 

[SDCowboy]

yes he should, and you let your expectations taint you.

Put Roy in that offense and he would put up better numbers than colston.

Fans here are pissed at Roy and think he sucks. He is a player.

it's a chemistry thing, nothing more.

Roy DOES suck. Brees is used to receivers that catch the ball as long as they can get a hand on it. Roy can't catch it half the time if it hits him square on the palms.

 

[Four]

yes yes, roy sucks.

I know, you guys won't stop saying it.

you knew nothing of the player, expected instant greatness, he didn't deliver and now you hate him.

 

[SDCowboy]

yes yes, roy sucks.

I know, you guys won't stop saying it.

A receiver that can't catch balls isn't a good receiver. A receiver that can't catch and lets balls bounce off his hands for INTs sucks.

 

[Rampage]

yes he should, and you let your expectations taint you.

Put Roy in that offense and he would put up better numbers than colston.

Fans here are pissed at Roy and think he sucks. He is a player.

it's a chemistry thing, nothing more.

Romo has no problem having chemistry with any other wrs even rookie tight ends like John Philips or guys like Kevin Olgetree. but Roy Williams can't run routes for **** and that's why it appears Romo's passes are all over the place when he throws to Roy.

 

[Sarge]

yes he should, and you let your expectations taint you.

Put Roy in that offense and he would put up better numbers than colston.

Fans here are pissed at Roy and think he sucks. He is a player.

it's a chemistry thing, nothing more.

My expectations have nothing to do with it, thank you.

You CLEARLY missed my point which had more to do with how good Colston is, not how bad Roy sucks. No one wants it to work out for Roy more than me.

I am not pissed at Roy and I don't think he sucks. I do think, and here is where we totally disagree, that Colston is markedly better than Colston.

We disagree.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

 

[Sarge]

Romo has no problem having chemistry with any other wrs even rookie tight ends like John Philips or guys like Kevin Olgetree. but Roy Williams can't run routes for **** and that's why it appears Romo's passes are all over the place when he throws to Roy.

He is a terrible route runner to be sure.

 

[Four]

he is a long strider, those guys never run precise routes because they can't their strides are too long for tight cuts.

He is going to round routes out some, anyone who ever watched him play knew that.

 

[Four]

Romo has no problem having chemistry with any other wrs even rookie tight ends like John Philips or guys like Kevin Olgetree. but Roy Williams can't run routes for **** and that's why it appears Romo's passes are all over the place when he throws to Roy.

Romo had some issues throwing to keyshawn because keyshawn was never open. Even though keyshawn was always open, at least the window was there.

I don't get it, I don't know why it is what it is, but roy is a good player, tony is a good player. It has to be chemistry.

Roy is a first round pick, that we gave up a first and a third for. Stephen was right there with his dad as those contracts got signed.

There is a reason they thought he was worth that much. I don't buy the desperate jerry angle.