CFZ What the lack of urgency in this draft tells us

[TheMarathonContinues]

There is a huge difference in the approach and mentality of Booger vs Lurie/Roseman. This isn't the first time Lurie has been damn the torpedoes, he gradually became this owner because I can only imagine how tired he is of hearing it from those fans. They finally win one and want to know when they're going back.

It's the curse of the Optimistic GM and it has been a problem, THE problem, for a couple decades. That and he is part-time and only wants to do the fun stuff.

Roseman is forced to see how far away he is and Booger only wants to see how close he is. It's really simple because a true optimist can sell themselves completely and I don't think he's spinning most of the time, I think he actually believes it. And only a true optimist would ever use the words "moral victory" is a loss in pro sports.

And look at it from his viewpoint, did the Eagles or Niners own them? No, they did not. But are there other teams getting geared up for a run?

The one thing he lacks is that 6th sense of when to stroke the mane and when to use the whip. Instead of pressing when they're close, he backs off and offers praise and it's the worst kind of praise, he praises it forward thinking that's all he needs to get it over the line.

If I was the GM, I would have let it be known how displeased I was with how my QB protected the ball this season and in that playoff game. Then I would have doubled down by taking a QB in the 2nd round, Levis or Hooker, and sent the message that I might be preparing for life without Prescott.

This owner has made this QB too damned comfortable in his job and future. And this is not a Prescott thread but these things are connected with this GM. It is a pattern that fits the true optimists' belief that everything will work out.

Are you talking about in past years? Because I don't know how you can say this front office isn't pressing when they're close by trading for Gilmore and Cooks. Those moves don't represent future moves those are NOW moves.

Your QB approach is not realistic.

The time to get rid of Prescott or move on was years ago if you were going to do iot. ?The minute they committed that salary to him they were tied into him. And they will continue to be tied to him.

This is a hindsight viewpoint because Dak did everything you'd want from a young 4th round QB. He earned the deal he got whether people want to admit or not.

The last thing a formidable franchise should do is spend resources on a QB high when they have a franchise guy.

This was the death of the Patriots doing it with Jimmy G. Brady would probably still be a Patriot today had they never did that. Packers instead of investing in a receiver they spent it on Jordan Love. IF your guy had a tough year where he throws picks one year? The answer isn't to go and get someone else the answer is to figure out why this was the case and fix it. It became clear that there's a big talent discrepancy when we are throwing Noah Brown and Lamb and 49ers are throwing out McCaffery, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, etc. The weapons weren't comparable. I got a knife and they got a M16.

Jerry has his flaws and this front office has its flaws.

But the Eagles are not the blueprint on how to build a winner. And anyone who tries to follow them or the Rams will be getting fired as a GM sooner rather than later.

The blueprint will always be build a team full of youth and fix holes with vets. Hasn't changed.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I didn’t mean going up this year. I’m just saying there were years when they had higher picks and could have addressed it. I think the people complaining simply see DT as a much more important position than Dallas did for many years and wanted it addressed with a high pick. Nothing really wrong with Mazi but it doesn’t completely satisfy what those people have been touting. Kind of a too little too late attitude until he becomes a stud on the field I guess.

I just don't think its smart roster building to trade draft picks to go up in the draft. I think following your board works more than not especially for the Cowboys.

 

[zrinkill]

I don't see that at all ...... we filled needs and followed the board.

 

[Bobhaze]

Philly's owner demanded that of his GM. All but two of these GM's were expected to improve their team's rosters.

It's very simple. The Cowboys owner tells the fans look at our stars, our stadium, our cheerleaders, our coverage, our profits and our pizazz but most of all, look at me. It is the ultimate white collar team.

The Eagles owner can only tell their fans look at the team. Like most other owners, for him it's all about what happens on the field and they have always been blue collar.

This ^^^^^. This is a devastatingly accurate description of why having the owner also serve as GM is an inherently bad idea if winning a championship is the true bottom line. There’s a reason the winning owners of the last 28 SBs all hired a GM.

 

[Big_D]

In 4 drafts since the Garrett debacle this team and roster are light years better, there is talent and competition at every level. I have no doubt this draft will net some quality players. I’m just wondering what represents a sense of urgency in this situation?

 

[CouchCoach]

But do people realize that doesn't typically always work if it all? What happened when we traded up for Mo Claiborne? We are applauding the Eagles but the Eagles never do anything stupid like go from 30 to the 10th pick. This is not how a perennial contender makes moves. Teams that do that are the Texans and Browns.

All we need to recall about the Eagles is the Dream Team and penciled in as the SB champs.

Roseman is lucky because he has an owner that is as risk oriented as he is and it's not always about the results. That Dream Team failed miserably but the fans gave them credit for rolling the dice and going for it.

I don't think a lot of people realize just how comfortable Booger is being relevant and leading in coverage, profits and value. He would rather be a payer form 10 years and be releavtn than win one and start to fade like the Rams have. The only thing anyone was talking about the Rams were their draft digs in Malibu.

And to be fair, there isn't another team like the Dallas Cowboys with the media in the history of sports, not the Celtics, Yankees or Lakers, none even come close. If I owned that, I don't know if I'd stay up at night trying to figure out how to get another ring.

Of all the teams in the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys stand to gain the least by winning a SB. They win by just being.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This ^^^^^. This is a devastatingly accurate description of why having the owner also serve as GM is an inherently bad idea if winning a championship is the true bottom line.

I typically agree but I'm not sure about the criticism this year. They won 12 games last season and improved and fixed their weaknesses.

I think the issue people have is they didn't make the splash plays the Eagles did but they didn't need to. Eagles had a lot of work to do to become a contender and it did thanks to Hurts. Then they lost a lot of talent this year and had to do a lot just to get back what they lost last year. We'll see if they did it.

 

[Momanpr100]

We added 2 veteran starters with late draft picks.

 

[zekecowboy]

Next year I hope they draft bare minimum two Oline in the 1st through 3rd rounds.

Next year Dallas has to draft a quarterback.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

All we need to recall about the Eagles is the Dream Team and penciled in as the SB champs.

Roseman is lucky because he has an owner that is as risk oriented as he is and it's not always about the results. That Dream Team failed miserably but the fans gave them credit for rolling the dice and going for it.

I don't think a lot of people realize just how comfortable Booger is being relevant and leading in coverage, profits and value. He would rather be a payer form 10 years and be releavtn than win one and start to fade like the Rams have. The only thing anyone was talking about the Rams were their draft digs in Malibu.

And to be fair, there isn't another team like the Dallas Cowboys with the media in the history of sports, not the Celtics, Yankees or Lakers, none even come close. If I owned that, I don't know if I'd stay up at night trying to figure out how to get another ring.

Of all the teams in the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys stand to gain the least by winning a SB. They win by just being.

Oh I disagree. Especially if we're looking at it from a business perspective. If Jerry wants to continue to be "America's Team" then the last thing they want is interest to die. Because we saw this in the 2000's after the 5-11 season. Neve run a million years would he have hired Parcells but he HAD TO. He knew he did. He was desperate. And the's not desperate yet but there's no doubt in my mind he understands the way for this team to stay relevant and to make the most money it can its this team in the SB. Its this team winning a ring. Now if he was desperate he would get out of the way and let McClay do his thing. But he's also a businessman. And businessmen don't just let someone run their business for them. Not 70 year old billionaires.

He does not want to be Lurie. He wants to get credit. Growing up I never understood why people said this until I became a adult. Because to me I wondered how could Jerry not get credit when he hired Jimmy? Yet, he doesn't. People still give Jimmy that credit. So he's chasing that ring and credit. I don't agree with it but its what he's chasing. A man who has it all. Billions, liquor, side chicks, family, rings, hall of fame jacket...he's chasing the ring without Jimmy.

 

[gtb1943]

I look at the 1st 3 picks, though not sexy picks by some fans standards. But who cares about that.
I look at them as pieces to the puzzle being added, but far from complete. But along with players added over the past few drafts, as well as the trades they made this offseason. Keeping some of their own key FA. It helps complete that puzzle. None alone will be a huge impact (except Mazi, but he too still may take a few years for the pass rushing part), but together it makes the team better.

Like positioning the chess pieces but still waiting to go for the check mate.
Rounds 4 through 7 more of a 2024 and beyond approach, if they make it that far, except Vaughn could help right away.

Underwhelming overall but blended in with the current talent, not bad either.

You know things are bad when the defenders of the clown show say sexy does not matter. Hinting that flash and so on and risks and so on are bad. Play it so safe you do very little.

Mazi is probably the only potential difference maker in this draft. The TE could have been gotten later and there were others just as good at blocking. We did not need any more pass rush; but we did need a guard. I could go on but why bother?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Next year Dallas has to draft a quarterback.

You guys can keep wishing and praying for it but unless its in later rounds they just aren't doing it. It doesn't even make sense to do it early.

 

[CouchCoach]

Are you talking about in past years? Because I don't know how you can say this front office isn't pressing when they're close by trading for Gilmore and Cooks. Those moves don't represent future moves those are NOW moves.

Your QB approach is not realistic.

The time to get rid of Prescott or move on was years ago if you were going to do iot. ?The minute they committed that salary to him they were tied into him. And they will continue to be tied to him.

This is a hindsight viewpoint because Dak did everything you'd want from a young 4th round QB. He earned the deal he got whether people want to admit or not.

The last thing a formidable franchise should do is spend resources on a QB high when they have a franchise guy.

This was the death of the Patriots doing it with Jimmy G. Brady would probably still be a Patriot today had they never did that. Packers instead of investing in a receiver they spent it on Jordan Love. IF your guy had a tough year where he throws picks one year? The answer isn't to go and get someone else the answer is to figure out why this was the case and fix it. It became clear that there's a big talent discrepancy when we are throwing Noah Brown and Lamb and 49ers are throwing out McCaffery, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, etc. The weapons weren't comparable. I got a knife and they got a M16.

Jerry has his flaws and this front office has its flaws.

But the Eagles are not the blueprint on how to build a winner. And anyone who tries to follow them or the Rams will be getting fired as a GM sooner rather than later.

The blueprint will always be build a team full of youth and fix holes with vets. Hasn't changed.

Regarding the Pats, Belichick had planned on trading Brady and Kraft stepped in, appeased Brady and they traded the backup.

The time to get the next QB is before you need him and have to make moves.

What GB responded to was the QB becoming the dog instead of the tail. And he sure let his displeasure be known among his team.

What is wrong with having the QB play for his job and his future on the team? They're coddled and petted enough.

 

[BlueStar22]

Will McClay and Co. have earned the benefit of the doubt. Not much you can do drafting late in rounds because you've won 12 games.

 

[gtb1943]

I typically agree but I'm not sure about the criticism this year. They won 12 games last season and improved and fixed their weaknesses.

I think the issue people have is they didn't make the splash plays the Eagles did but they didn't need to. Eagles had a lot of work to do to become a contender and it did thanks to Hurts. Then they lost a lot of talent this year and had to do a lot just to get back what they lost last year. We'll see if they did it.

Anyone boasting about winning twelve games for THIS franchise is a status quo settler. No real ambition to do more.

 

[gtb1943]

Will McClay and Co. have earned the benefit of the doubt. Not much you can do drafting late in rounds because you've won 12 games.

You use your later picks to trade up and get more in the earlier rounds.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You know things are bad when the defenders of the clown show say sexy does not matter. Hinting that flash and so on and risks and so on are bad. Play it so safe you do very little.

Mazi is probably the only potential difference maker in this draft. The TE could have been gotten later and there were others just as good at blocking. We did not need any more pass rush; but we did need a guard. I could go on but why bother?

Why' do you guys keep saying they could've got players later? What are y'all basing this on?

We did not need anymore pass rush? Is there such a thing as having too much? If there is its the first time I ever heard that said.

And sexy doesn't matter. What was sexy about those Patriots drafts? What's been sexy about the Rams drafts where they don't even have 1st rounders? The Eagles draft became sexy the past two years...

You know what was sexy? Trading up to get Mo Claiborne. Trading up to get Dez Bryant. Drafting Lamb. Trading back to get Micah Parsons. That's sexy. But guess what? Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it hasn't. Ultimate we sit here the same. No success since the 90's. When has "sexy" worked?

 

[CouchCoach]

Oh I disagree. Especially if we're looking at it from a business perspective. If Jerry wants to continue to be "America's Team" then the last thing they want is interest to die. Because we saw this in the 2000's after the 5-11 season. Neve run a million years would he have hired Parcells but he HAD TO. He knew he did. He was desperate. And the's not desperate yet but there's no doubt in my mind he understands the way for this team to stay relevant and to make the most money it can its this team in the SB. Its this team winning a ring. Now if he was desperate he would get out of the way and let McClay do his thing. But he's also a businessman. And businessmen don't just let someone run their business for them. Not 70 year old billionaires.

He does not want to be Lurie. He wants to get credit. Growing up I never understood why people said this until I became a adult. Because to me I wondered how could Jerry not get credit when he hired Jimmy? Yet, he doesn't. People still give Jimmy that credit. So he's chasing that ring and credit. I don't agree with it but its what he's chasing. A man who has it all. Billions, liquor, side chicks, family, rings, hall of fame jacket...he's chasing the ring without Jimmy.

Been 27 years, has the interest died? No because he chooses the promotional and marketing path to keep the interest level and he is rewarded.

It is truly an anomaly, #1 in media coverage, revenue, profits and value and hasn't won squat since 1995. There has never been anything else like it and he's well aware of that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Anyone boasting about winning twelve games for THIS franchise is a status quo settler. No real ambition to do more.

Is that what I said though? I said they won 12 games and improved their roster. Context is key. Its important you understand that. SB is the goal. They missed out on that. They won 12 games and brought in Gilmore and Cooks. They've had a great offseason. No doom and gloom can change that. Ultimately these vets will be what helps us win or miss out on a ring this year.

 

[SlammedZero]

People should be banned just for returning the 2009 draft to our memories. I try to block it out.

On a serious note, I don't think this draft is even remotely close to being as bad as that one.