CFZ What the lack of urgency in this draft tells us

[CowboyFrog]

yeah, its nothing remotely like 2009

yeah this narrative is odd, if you really saw the 2009 offseason the whole thing this is nothing like that.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You lost me at 24 yr old pass catc hing/blocking machine who was ranked what outta all the TE class?

I have no idea where he was on the Cowboys draft board. But they passed up many players (Torrence among others) to get him.

If I had to guess I'd say he was #3 or #4. They liked LaPorta we all know that. Schoon could have been #2.

 

[big dog cowboy]

yeah, its nothing remotely like 2009

I don't get the comparison at all either.

 

[75boyz]

In 4 drafts since the Garrett debacle this team and roster are light years better, there is talent and competition at every level. I have no doubt this draft will net some quality players. I’m just wondering what represents a sense of urgency in this situation?

All these so called quality player draftees could become future Hall of Famers but it still won't mean a thing if they can't win playoff games.

And THAT is the urgency.
To win playoff games.
Or shoot for the moon even and try for a Lombardi Trophy.

This aint hard.
Yay, they have a reputation of drafting well.
Gee, they're the most valuable sports team on the planet for the umpteenth year in a row.

And yet they've won 5 playoff games in 28 years.

THATs the urgency.

 

[KJJ]

One fan was so upset with our draft that he said this is why we suck every year and none of our players ever turn out. I’m thinking what team has this fan been watching? Some of the knee-jerk reactions on this board are hilarious!

 

[Rayman70]

The QB draft crop was the weakest I have seen since the Chris Weinke, draft class.That 1 was really rough. The running backs were great at the very top(Gibbs and Bijan) but after that it was many guys about the same and with flags. The WR class we weakest in years. Dline, the same. outside of Mazi Smith maybe 2 guys near him talentwise. He was stand alone.

 

[Big_D]

yeah this narrative is odd, if you really saw the 2009 offseason the whole thing this is nothing like that.

Jerry at his absolute worst those few years after Parcells cause that team could’ve been very good with some competent decision making.

 

[BigDPlayer]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

Respectfully disagree. IMHO, this was a nut and bolts draft, not sexy, but a clear pivot from the past 20 years. We HAVE TO STOP THE RUN, it has killed uswhen it mattered most. A massive DT, frist since 1991, is a big step.

To me, it was a reminder of the early 90s... we have great playmakers in place at skill positions, now let's shore up the big ugllies and win a SB!

GO COWBOYS!!

 

[KJJ]

yeah, its nothing remotely like 2009

Right, all we did in 2009 was trade down, which led to a terrible draft. Our first pick wasn’t until the third round. Hands-down the dumbest draft I’ve ever seen by the Cowboys. We were coming off a real good 2009 season that saw our first playoff win in 13 years. Jerry was feeling so good about the season and our starters, he commented we were looking for backups in the draft. The 2009 draft was a complete debacle!

 

[CowboyFrog]

Jerry at his absolute worst those few years after Parcells cause that team could’ve been very good with some competent decision making.

absolutley and the moves he made leading up to that draft handcuffed him so bad he said something really dumb and then actually did it.

 

[Big_D]

All these so called quality player draftees could become future Hall of Famers but it still won't mean a thing if they can't win playoff games.

And THAT is the urgency.
To win playoff games.
Or shoot for the moon even and try for a Lombardi Trophy.

This aint hard.
Yay, they have a reputation of drafting well.
Gee, they're the most valuable sports team on the planet for the umpteenth year in a row.

And yet they've won 5 playoff games in 28 years.

THATs the urgency.

You got to actually build to get there. Not just think a high priced free agent or trading away draft picks will solve your problems. This is the window and back to back 12 win seasons after sucking for 2 decades plus tells you that the roster is very good. I get wanting to win playoff games but comparing today to 28 years of futility is ridiculous at this point. It’s not something you purchase overnight. All 3 phases look very good. What’s happening today isn’t the same as the Campo and Garrett years. Jerry was a joke before and after Parcells.

 

[Toro9]

They took role players mostly. And now that I look at it all more closely every pick makes sense. I'm also really liking a couple of the UDFAs, namely the ones who were given ~200k guaranteed.

 

[rambo2]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

They did a good job of filling needs on a team that should compete for a NFC championship.

 

[Vabchshark]

I'm sure alot said probably the same thing last yr about last yrs draft. Because most thought of it like that as well as the entire offseason. How is there so much pessimism about a team that finished 12-5 but most here had them a .500 team at best. They exceeded those expectations and then act like they never were in the .500 club.

Hold judgment until they actually Play a game. You know like last yr.

They most definitely did, and here we go again, and they haven't even had rookie camp yet! The team improved and that is a fact!

 

[75boyz]

You got to actually build to get there. Not just think a high priced free agent or trading away draft picks will solve your problems. This is the window and back to back 12 win seasons after sucking for 2 decades plus tells you that the roster is very good. I get wanting to win playoff games but comparing today to 28 years of futility is ridiculous at this point. It’s not something you purchase overnight. All 3 phases look very good. What’s happening today isn’t the same as the Campo and Garrett years. Jerry was a joke before and after Parcells.

Fair enough bro. Your post response here was classy and I respect your opinion and my bad for the tone of my previous response to yours.
I do not hold your optimism on this supposed McCarthy plan because I do not believe in his or Daks ability to lead this team on a deep playoff run.

But I can respect the fact that you see things far differently from me.
No worries on the difference of opinion then.

 

[Jumbo075]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

OR....

Just spitballing here. This draft class was particularly unexciting because it lacked exciting prospects - much like 2009 and 2013.

The Cowboys had only 4 positions where players could be drafted with a real opportunity to start on a team that was top 5 in offensive scoring in 3 of the last 4 years: Defensive Tackle, Tight End, Offensive Guard, and Running back. They spent their first two picks on players who can immediately start at DT and TE. They spent their 5th & 6th round picks on the other two positions, and did a little pre-planning for the future by drafting a LB and DE in the 3rd & 4th rounds. Smith will exponentially improve the run defense for the Cowboys, and Schoonmaker was the best blocking tight end in the draft that didn't have any medical issues (such as Washington). Schoonmaker will be a better blocker than Schultz, and the Cowboys already drafted the receiving tight end to replace Schultz in the 2022 draft (Ferguson.)

As for the Running back position, they drafted a 2-time consensus first team All-American who carried the load at Kansas State, with 1936 yards and 12 TD's last season. Yes, he's small; but he's super-productive. And they have a plan at OG, which apparently escapes the understanding of fans and pundits. The Cowboys have drafted 6 Olinemen in the past 4 drafts, and landed another starter from the undrafted ranks - Terence Steele. That is 7 young players in their first 4 seasons with Dallas - one whom has already made a Pro Bowl, and 3 of whom have become starters. Perhaps, (I know this is just CRAzY, cRAZy, CrAzy) they want to give the other 4 players they've already drafted in 2021, 2022 and 2023 a chance to win the starting LG spot. But just in case they don't, they brought in a former 3rd round pick from the 2019 draft who is only 25 years old to fill the spot.

You may disagree with the plan the Cowboys have. But let's not pretend they aren't already addressing the issue on the Oline. They've been addressing it for the last 3 years, and have already been rewarded with 3 competent to above average starters with big upsides. Only Tyron and Zack remain, but can you really blame the Cowboys for not kicking two future HOF players to the curb? Zack remains one of the best two Guards in the NFL, and when healthy, Tyron is one of the 2-3 best Tackles in the league. So what if Tyron get's hurt? The Cowboys have already proven they have the players on the roster to replace him. But if he's healthy, you play him. He's still the best option for the Cowboys and any NFL team until he gets hurt.

I don't agree with the Cowboys betting on Tony Pollard. But he was the best back on the roster last year. And the Cowboys got a former top 40 draft pick from the 2018 draft who is only 25 years old to back him up, while drafting a 2-time All American who was super productive in college to give him a breather.

The Cowboys don't have a lot of holes on their roster, but they capably filled them this off-season. You play the games one season at a time. The Cowboys are well set up for the 2023 season. Now they just have to perform.

 

[Big_D]

Fair enough bro. Your post response here was classy and I respect your opinion and my bad for the tone of my previous response to yours.
I do not hold your optimism on this supposed McCarthy plan because I do not believe in his or Daks ability to lead this team on a deep playoff run.

But I can respect the fact that you see things far differently from me.
No worries on the difference of opinion then.

No problem, I just see a much better overall team and situation than what existed in 2019. Everyone has an opinion.. it’s the beauty of the forums!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Respectfully disagree. IMHO, this was a nut and bolts draft, not sexy, but a clear pivot from the past 20 years. We HAVE TO STOP THE RUN, it has killed uswhen it mattered most. A massive DT, frist since 1991, is a big step.

To me, it was a reminder of the early 90s... we have great playmakers in place at skill positions, now let's shore up the big ugllies and win a SB!

GO COWBOYS!!

 

[big dog cowboy]

One fan was so upset with our draft that he said this is why we suck every year and none of our players ever turn out. I’m thinking what team has this fan been watching? Some of the knee-jerk reactions on this board are hilarious!

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Silly statement....1st DT we have drafted in the 1st round since Maryland and instantly upgrades the defense...TE is the best blocking TE we have by far. Got a very good LB that is a tackling missile and a few other pieces that can certainly help.

The Cowboys improved for sure

EVERY team improved their roster with the draft...as every team does, every year.

The real question is: did the Cowboys utilize their draft assets to their full potential.

You can go into the draft with no 1st rounders (if you traded it for some reason) and only have 4 or 5 picks. As long as you treat each pick wisely, and maximize it, then you drafted well.

I do not think the Cowboys maximized their assets. Instead of scooping up guys that unexpectedly fell (like nolan smith for instance), they picked guys 10 spots, or several rounds, sooner than "the NFL world" expected them to go. Don't have a huge problem with Mazi though