CFZ What the lack of urgency in this draft tells us

[HungryLion]

I honestly didn’t see a lack of urgency at all.

They followed their board.

Also, if the cooks and Gilmore trades happened on draft day, and not months in advance. Everybody would be talking about how aggressive and awesome the moves were to trade those picks for proven players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Been 27 years, has the interest died? No because he chooses the promotional and marketing path to keep the interest level and he is rewarded.

It is truly an anomaly, #1 in media coverage, revenue, profits and value and hasn't won squat since 1995. There has never been anything else like it and he's well aware of that.

Because 27 years is nothing really. For instance me....I'm in my early 30's...so I Was alive for the SB's and that mystique lived through me....but 20 years from now? And that's what matters. Nobody is going to care about me as a fan in my 50s because that mystique will still be there with me. But what about the 25 year old 20 years from now? Or the 20 year old? Eventually we all will lose interest. The drought just hasn't been long enough. The last thing the Jones family wants. Cowboys for 30 years consistently built on this fanbase with those SB era's. A day will come where that won't be enough.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

People should be banned just for returning the 2009 draft to our memories. I try to block it out.

On a serious note, I don't think this draft is even remotely close to being as bad as that one.

I agree lol. No comparison. They literally went into that draft looking for special teams players which is the most moronic thing I've seen. Who does that? You want special teams players? Go get some potential starters and then make them special team guys lol.

Granted, it was a weak draft year and they didn't have a 1st or a 2nd.....but still the approach was dumb.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You use your later picks to trade up and get more in the earlier rounds.

Why would you trade up for a guy you can just sit tight and get though?

 

[CouchCoach]

Ya know, this was not a sexy draft, it wasn't deep with quality players. The drop off wasn't as steep as in the past because what was there at the top?

Think those 3 QB's are a shoe-in to make it? Me neither. Top 2 D players don't tune my piano. Even the WR's were a little ho hum but we should have gone for one just as I would have with an OL instead of TE at 2.

The talking heads had to try and make it sexy with all the trades, which happened because it was not a high quality draft.

That said, I do not think the needs going in were addressed, RB, OL and WR. Love the DT, I cried for happy but after that, not real jazzed about these picks but I alos agree that until I see them this year, too early to call it.

 

[CouchCoach]

Because 27 years is nothing really. For instance me....I'm in my early 30's...so I Was alive for the SB's and that mystique lived through me....but 20 years from now? And that's what matters. Nobody is going to care about me as a fan in my 50s because that mystique will still be there with me. But what about the 25 year old 20 years from now? Or the 20 year old? Eventually we all will lose interest. The drought just hasn't been long enough. The last thing the Jones family wants. Cowboys for 30 years consistently built on this fanbase with those SB era's. A day will come where that won't be enough.

That drought has been long enough for every other team in history. This team just isn't like any other that has ever existed. It is more reality show than football team.

 

[Rayman70]

Philly improved their team. The Cowboys didn't.

on the surface Maybe. But we wont know. I like there day 2-3 picks the best. The 2 guys in rd 1 are red flags galore.

 

[BlueStar22]

You use your later picks to trade up and get more in the earlier rounds.

They did and again, they've earned the benefit of the doubt. Yall don't know more about these prospects than they do. Stop acting like you do because they didn't trade up for someone that one of these "draft experts" had ranked higher.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That drought has been long enough for every other team in history. This team just isn't like any other that has ever existed. It is more reality show than football team.

27 Years is nothing especially when you contend here and there. There's going to come a time when that's not enough. I don't know when that time will come. But I'd have to think Jerry is smart enough to realize that. He didn't luck into a billion.

 

[JBS]

With the Cowboys' success over the past two regular seasons, along with their recent measured\slow-moving playoff involvement, the team's heirarchy feels they are on the path to break through and be a true championship contender this upcoming season.

The 30 year plan!!!

 

[DallasEast]

Really dislike giving Jerry Jones an out but a hindsight discussion must include all factors, with one being the general manager actions taken by him before and during drafts. Here's is a summary of two particular drafts in question:

2008 Draft
Surrendered a 3rd (92nd) for Lions 4th (111th) and 2009 4th (101st) and followed up with 4th (111th) for Browns 2009's 3rd (69th). In effect, traded down with a low 3rd rounder to secure a marginally higher 3rd round pick in the next draft.

2008 Regular Season
Traded 2009's 1st (20th), 3rd (82nd) and 6th (192nd) to Lions for wide receiver Roy Williams and a 7th (210th)

2009 Draft
Traded down multiple times by surrendering a 2nd (51st) for Bills 3rd (75th) and 4th (110th) and a 4th (117th) for Buccaneers 4th (120th) but traded up marginally with a 5th (156th) and 7th (210th) for Falcons 5th (143th)

Compare that wildcatting to the draft that just ended:

Last season
Sent a 2023 6th and 2024 7th to Raiders for Johnathan Hankins

Last month
Sent a 2023 5th to Colts for Stephon Gilmore
Sent a 2023 5th and 2024 6th to Texans for Brandin Cooks

No surrendering of multiple earned Day 1 or Day 2 drafting opportunities.

Player quality will be debated but in terms of pre- and during draft actions, the 2009 and 2023 drafts are almost night and day.

Transaction source links: 2009, 2023

 

[kiheikiwi]

I've said in the draft thread many times, so this will come as no shock to anyone.
Very disappointed.
2 things - once they jettisoned our OC and MM took the reigns back, all he has talked about is helping Dak, want to run the ball, protect him better yada, yada, yada.
For the life of me - what did you do to address those things ?
I applaud taking Mazi in the first, that was a bold move and I am beyond happy with that.
Tha failure was round 2 and 3.
I was sweating bullets when Torrance was dropping, how gift wrapped was that pick !
My # 1 need meets draft position - and they screwed the pooch. Now if they end up moving Tyler Smith back to guard again, I'll slap everyone of you that say it's OK. (Jokeing, sort of ...)
2nd - by round 4 - the sweet spot for all the RB's, they say - naw we're good here. And take a late 6th round gadget. A feel good, will play well in his opportunities pick, but not the thunder to Pollards lightning.
They did not achieve the 2 main goals going into this draft at all.
Almost like they (jones's) read all the press clippings about how smart they were with the trades for Gilmore and Cooks.
Arrogance at its worst.
Everyone mentions 2009, yes it has that feel of the Arrogance of the front Office. And I'm pissed.

 

[nalam]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

Coach, really enjoy your posts and observations, but have to differ a bit. I expected this draft to go more like “BPA at need“, LOL.
The major hole last year was run D, obviously it is not one position fix . But they did re-signed Hankins and spent a premium pick on run stop DT. they already addressed the other major hole of WR by trade and shored up CB by bringing in Gilmore. Hence the offense should be better also . the only hole they didnt address in my opinion is the OL , but remember they were drafting 26th/ 58 , getting a premium OL - day 1 starter is difficult . I had doubts about RB position and have to see how Vaughn performs in NFL.
Of course there were some head scratchers , but there was some position runs suddenly in draft - TEs , OLs got off the board in bunches.

 

[gtb1943]

They did and again, they've earned the benefit of the doubt. Yall don't know more about these prospects than they do. Stop acting like you do because they didn't trade up for someone that one of these "draft experts" had ranked higher.

Yeah they know more. Then why Taco and Jaylon and how many more failures?

Pathetic.

 

[gtb1943]

27 Years is nothing especially when you contend here and there. There's going to come a time when that's not enough. I don't know when that time will come. But I'd have to think Jerry is smart enough to realize that. He didn't luck into a billion.

So if 27 years is nothing then 50 years is maybe too much. Low expectations strike again.

 

[morat1959]

The 30 year plan!!!

I’m rolling!

 

[Ken]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

The Eagles drafted the way they did because they had to after losing 7 starters off of their defense.

The cowboys didn't lose 7 starters off their defense.

The Cowboys didn't lose anyone they wanted to keep.

Everyone can keep slurping the Eagles but they traded away a 4th round pick to move up 1 spot for a guy that likely would be there. They then trade a future 3 to move up in the draft in the 4th for a guy they hoped would be there lol. They literally moved up 2 spots behind before they knew what players would be drafted. LOL. Howie said he had a "good idea"

That is amateur hour stuff.

Sugar coat it all you want.

 

[75boyz]

Anyone boasting about winning twelve games for THIS franchise is a status quo settler. No real ambition to do more.

Yep,
exactly. Then the other guy who also wants the guaranteed iron clad plan of improvement over Dak or just keep sticking with this same mediocre relevance the Jones Clan keeps sticking to.
It's like there is no reward without the risk.
It's way past time to risk a pick higher than a 4th rounder.
They should have risked the 2nd rd pick on Levis instead of a 24 yr old tight end.

 

[Praxit]

...the world is becoming bored. People are catching on.

Not even Dak's new bed commercial will save the day.

 

[KJJ]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

Who’s to say the TE, RB and some of the other players we drafted aren’t going to become studs? Giving up draft picks to trade up for a player doesn’t guarantee they’re going to pan out. Years ago we were very aggressive moving up from Morris Claiborne. Everyone thought he was going to be a great player and he went bust. Some of our best picks have been when we stay pat. I’m certainly not thrilled with all the picks we made especially the TE but it doesn’t mean they’re not going to turn into real good players. I wasn’t thrilled about picking Tyler Smith last year. The first thing Mel Kiper said about him was he was a holding machine. My first thought was we just got rid of a guy like that but Smith had a very good rookie season. A lot of fans weren’t happy about picking Parsons a couple of years ago and he’s become a great player. Let’s give it time and see how these players turn out. Too many fans jump to conclusions immediately after the draft.