CFZ What the lack of urgency in this draft tells us

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The problem with this draft is that we used the premium picks at positions we were already somewhat stout at while neglecting the huge holes in O line and at runningback. I like the deuce pick but he's not a bell cow back or even someone I feel can split 50/50 with Tony. He's more like a Felix Jones, explosive change of pace guy.

How much better will Schoon really be than what we already have or have had at TE? How much better will he be than what Schultz brought to the table? I can understand taking a guy at a logjam position if they are just elite talent that fell to us, but these guys we took were NOT looked at as elite.

I like the splash plays of Overshown, but whose position is he taking? He's a rather small linebacker at around 224 lbs. I can see maybe moving him back to safety and having him be our Kam, but it seems like they want to use him at LB.

I don't see where Fehoko will get on the field unless they convert him.

The problem with this draft is that we drafted in positions of strength or we're replacing guys that we drafted a few years earlier. We got Ferguson or Hendershot not that long ago. We got Jabril Cox not that long ago. We got Nashon Wright or Bossman Phat not that long ago. Was this draft our FO correcting the mistakes they made with those guys or are those positions we just feel like we need super competition and super depth at?

Is Overshown going to be that much better than Jabril? Or is he going to be a Kearse improvement? Schoon seems like our Dalton Schultz money saving replacement, but what are we going to do in FA with that extra money? History says we will do very little.

If they got O'cyrus in the 2nd,I wouldn't have a problem with this draft. I don't want to hear that he doesn't fit the scheme talk. That's what made us pass on TJ Watt. It literally doesn't make sense to draft replacements at positions we are already strong at. I also feel like Schoon could have been had in the 3rd round or a similarly strong TE.

Mazi is the one pick where I can say I see where he actually improves the team. With the other guys, I don't see how this makes us better than where we were last year. Thank God we were able to get Cooks and Gilmore or else I'd have to chalk this up to a rebuild season. We better be active in free agency if we want to compete.

So DT was a position of strength? Really. REALLY? How. We all complained about run defense. A DT to man the 1Tech and help in run game and push the pocket. Now we complain why we did that!!!! For real!!!

And schoon maker IMHO was drafted with a specific purpose. Fans often like flah plays. They want ESPN highlights. Mean while Schoonmaker is a good tough blocker. We all complained about lack of toughness and physical Offense. We get. TE thats a good blocker and can catch a a little. Pair him with Ferguson who is similar to Schultz and add Cooks. It's all part of a plan. Run the damn ball as MM said. Now you can run the 2 TE personnel with Pollard, Lamb and Cooks and play tough, physical and attack down field.

Add LB depth, some one with speed who can roam...along with Dl and pass rush...a player that fits what Quinn has in mind.

And Vaughn is a gadget player that has ability to give you 5,6 good plays a game. That's all you need. Jones is the backup RB. Pollard is starting RB. How many teams are 3 deep or even 2 deep at RB.

All you have done is complain. No matter what we did you would have complained.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Are you talking about in past years? Because I don't know how you can say this front office isn't pressing when they're close by trading for Gilmore and Cooks. Those moves don't represent future moves those are NOW moves.

Your QB approach is not realistic.

The time to get rid of Prescott or move on was years ago if you were going to do iot. ?The minute they committed that salary to him they were tied into him. And they will continue to be tied to him.

This is a hindsight viewpoint because Dak did everything you'd want from a young 4th round QB. He earned the deal he got whether people want to admit or not.

The last thing a formidable franchise should do is spend resources on a QB high when they have a franchise guy.

This was the death of the Patriots doing it with Jimmy G. Brady would probably still be a Patriot today had they never did that. Packers instead of investing in a receiver they spent it on Jordan Love. IF your guy had a tough year where he throws picks one year? The answer isn't to go and get someone else the answer is to figure out why this was the case and fix it. It became clear that there's a big talent discrepancy when we are throwing Noah Brown and Lamb and 49ers are throwing out McCaffery, Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle, etc. The weapons weren't comparable. I got a knife and they got a M16.

Jerry has his flaws and this front office has its flaws.

But the Eagles are not the blueprint on how to build a winner. And anyone who tries to follow them or the Rams will be getting fired as a GM sooner rather than later.

The blueprint will always be build a team full of youth and fix holes with vets. Hasn't changed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Next year Dallas has to draft a quarterback.

The right QB....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree lol. No comparison. They literally went into that draft looking for special teams players which is the most moronic thing I've seen. Who does that? You want special teams players? Go get some potential starters and then make them special team guys lol.

Granted, it was a weak draft year and they didn't have a 1st or a 2nd.....but still the approach was dumb.

Also don't forget we had marshmallow man as a head coach. He had no plan. He wasn't a good talent evaluator. He got bowled over.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've said in the draft thread many times, so this will come as no shock to anyone.
Very disappointed.
2 things - once they jettisoned our OC and MM took the reigns back, all he has talked about is helping Dak, want to run the ball, protect him better yada, yada, yada.
For the life of me - what did you do to address those things ?
I applaud taking Mazi in the first, that was a bold move and I am beyond happy with that.
Tha failure was round 2 and 3.
I was sweating bullets when Torrance was dropping, how gift wrapped was that pick !
My # 1 need meets draft position - and they screwed the pooch. Now if they end up moving Tyler Smith back to guard again, I'll slap everyone of you that say it's OK. (Jokeing, sort of ...)
2nd - by round 4 - the sweet spot for all the RB's, they say - naw we're good here. And take a late 6th round gadget. A feel good, will play well in his opportunities pick, but not the thunder to Pollards lightning.
They did not achieve the 2 main goals going into this draft at all.
Almost like they (jones's) read all the press clippings about how smart they were with the trades for Gilmore and Cooks.
Arrogance at its worst.
Everyone mentions 2009, yes it has that feel of the Arrogance of the front Office. And I'm pissed.

They drafted a blocking TE who can catch a little. 2TE sets will be better. Pollard to the outside with schoonmaker and Ferguson who is not a bad blocker specially downfield..

Keep in mind, tyron is back. Smith at LG. Steele who is a great Run blocker returning.

So we are going to run the damn ball as MM said

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I get what the position brings, but question whether the individual was one of th 30 best players in the draft.

There's 330lb 1tech guys available in the 7th rd. Just a matter of whether you think Mazi the individual was a Top 30 player. IMO, he was not.... but that's just me. That said, it's not like I think the guy was a 3rd rounder.

We have drafted 330lb guys in lower rounds before. Ala Bohanna. How did that work out?

Come on now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Are defense was already elite by todays NFL standards.

If we can’t turn around and hand the ball off Dak is eventually going to lose us games because he is not a talented QB at the end of the day.

He is not elite. There is only about 3 elite QBs. The rest are good in one form or another. Fak is top 10-12....by any standard you want to measure.

And I have asked you 34 times. If not Dak then who? Yes you have been silent. Avoiding an answer because you have none.

Therefore all you are doing is complaining for the sake of complaining

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

FWIW, Kiper had him at 30 and McShay had him at 38.

Kiper...seriously. kiper!!! He is a NFL TMZ guy at best. You are quoting two NFL entertainment guys. Seriously.

 

[TNCowboy]

You guys have said the same **** every year for the last 8-10 and yet we’ve been probably the best drafting team in the league. Trust the process..

You didn’t like Tfred
Martin wasn’t sexy
Zeke was the flashy player
Tyler another we “reached” on
Parsons…”we needed a CB”

1st round trench players just make the team better


Nolan doesn’t see the field with Parsons and Lawrence on this team.

Torrance doesn’t see the field when Tyron is healthy

Top 2 RB’s were gone, which is really the only position that would have made a large impact

"Trust the process"? Why?

Best drafting team in the league? Based on what? Zero championships, never past the divisional round of the playoffs. The teams hoisting trophies have been the best, because their picks got them hardware. Getting "pro bowls" is as meaningless as preseason games when it's all said and done.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Philly improved their team. The Cowboys didn't.

Philthy also lost some players. Cowboys shed some players but still is largely intact.

 

[zekecowboy]

He is not elite. There is only about 3 elite QBs. The rest are good in one form or another. Fak is top 10-12....by any standard you want to measure.

And I have asked you 34 times. If not Dak then who? Yes you have been silent. Avoiding an answer because you have none.

Therefore all you are doing is complaining for the sake of complaining

Caleb Williams in next years draft,

 

[buybuydandavis]

..1st DT we have drafted in the 1st round since Maryland and instantly upgrades the defense..

We spent our biggest pick on our biggest personnel hole. The defense got better. The team got better.

 

[Jake]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

I stopped expecting another championship from this team years ago. I'll change my mind when they change it. That doesn't happen in April. It happens in February.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It was not an exciting draft, even the QB picks were nothing special and there were no Hollywood WR's. And the Cowboys treated it as such.

The talking heads could only muster excitement because of trades. It was really a boring draft. Even the NFL realized that and decided they needed a loud and annoying cover band and more drunk fans channeling KISS.

Other than breaking the pattern and going DT in the 1st, which may prove to be the only real difference maker out of this draft. The LB might be something as he is an all over the field player.

But what does the lack of action by the Cowboys tell us? They think they are fine just where they are. No need to add a Hollywood TE, or a stud RB or a stud OL, they like their guys.

In that regard, this is the 2009 draft when they thought all they needed was depth and ST.

In 2022, the Cowboys were in the 3rd position in the NFC and I think they feel nothing has changed, they are still relevant and within striking distance of the Eagles and Niners. Forget the Lions, Giants and Seahawks, they do not matter.

There was much happiness with the moves the Cowboys made in the off season with the acquisitions made, and justifiably so as they usual make no noise. However, that came at a cost. In the GM's mind, that moved the needle so the draft wasn't as critical as usual and going into the season with a thin OL and WR corps doesn't seem to concern him.

This draft illustrated the real difference between a GM that really wants to win because he has to and one that just wants to be relevant and the most covered by the media. The Cowboys went about this as if they've already arrived; the Eagles went about it as if they're not there yet.

All around, it was a pretty lackluster draft and the Cowboys sure played their part in that. Because there is no hurry to get better, they feel they're good enough.

What stud RB, Hollywood TE or Stud OL should they have taken and where?

 

[plasticman]

I don't think the Jones's can even comprehend the extent of their incompetence. They truly believe they can build a championship team based on their expertise whether it's football related or finding the executives that do it for them.

The good news is that they have failed for so long that they are now eligible for a "Law of Averages" advantage. Some year, they may yet stumble into a championship as a result of some fluke season.

Otherwise, we can only hope for the ascension of a more visionary Jones grandson or great grandson in the future, one that believes in hiring a professional GM to run the football related part of the franchise. ......the Jones that was promised?

 

[coult44]

When my takeaway from an entire draft is to hope for a major contribution from a 6th round gadget role player it does kinda scream 2009 part II, no doubt.

1st round drafted the best athlete and best run stopper DL in the draft. No takeaway?

3rd round drafted a linebacker many are saying is the best off ball backer in the draft. No takeaway?

5th round. Traded for a top 12 WR
5th round. Traded for a top 5 CB

6th Round. Drafted a 2X all American who led the nation in yards from scrimmage from a Power 5 school.

Most “pundits” are giving The Cowboys A’s or High B’s at the lowest for this draft.

I know this does nothing for people who are negative Nancy’s and are downtrodden so much that they’ll never be happy. But it really was a great three days for the Cowboys and you will see and hopefully be man enough to own up.

 

[robertfchew]

You guys have said the same **** every year for the last 8-10 and yet we’ve been probably the best drafting team in the league. Trust the process..

You didn’t like Tfred
Martin wasn’t sexy
Zeke was the flashy player
Tyler another we “reached” on
Parsons…”we needed a CB”

1st round trench players just make the team better


Nolan doesn’t see the field with Parsons and Lawrence on this team.

Torrance doesn’t see the field when Tyron is healthy

Top 2 RB’s were gone, which is really the only position that would have made a large impact

Tyron won’t be healthy. Be realistic

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Also don't forget we had marshmallow man as a head coach. He had no plan. He wasn't a good talent evaluator. He got bowled over.

Yeah that was an unfortunate time. Went high to a low real quick. Hiring Wade was a joke.

 

[CouchCoach]

OK, let’s look at the value of starting a thread with an opinion. If we keep an open mind, we get to examine that opinion from different viewpoints and are allowed to change, if not modify, that opinion.

I think I was reacting to one of the most boring and worst drafts I have ever watched and I used to watch these before it was an event.

First, the question about how do they show urgency except through trade ups? Damned good question and I do not have a good answer.

I also do not like the Cowboys war room, looks like a board meeting at a conference table with the figurehead at the head of the table.

After taking some time and reading some of the info provided by my fellow members on these picks, I feel more positive about these picks but I liked that first pick and will even if it doesn’t work out as well as expected.

And I’ve cottoned up to picks 2 and 3 but that 3rd pick was easy if you watched any Horns games, Overshown was everywhere on the field. Got to be Parsons’ favorite, even over the DT.

So, to summarize, thanks to my fellow members for pointing out some flaws in my thinking and doing it the right way. You can disagree with me and not be disagreeable and I thank you and much respect to you.

 

[CoachD]

The Cowboys will get a tone of playing time out of their first 3 picks and Deuce is already a major player in the Cowboys plans this year.