What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[iceberg]

Why don't you explain it to me?

You seem to have it all figured out.

Make it real simple so that I can understand it.

just answer adam, why don'tcha?

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1) Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

2) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

3) Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

4) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

 

[sacase]

The coverage responsibilty would then be Newman's. Just like it was to start the play. The offense put the pressure on the defense to smoothly switch coverage responsibilities. Williams failed to.



The players were responsible for an area.

Let's say Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

These are examples of an offense trying to overload a zone defense. It's a players' job to adjust to that - or at the very least to play the same defense their teammates are playing.[/quote]

Every think that the offense attacked the defense the right way? Do you KNOW what the responsibilities are? Do you KNOW that the defense is? Are YOU just speculating on what you THINK should have happend? What Adam was trying to make you think about is defenses have to play for "What if?" What that means is that the defense has to think of all those what if scenarios that Adam wanted you to answer when they design a coverage. Guess what? There are holes in every coverage. Remeber defensive coverage for the most part is reactive. A Good reciever can make a defense react. If I am running route and the DB wants to Jam me, he has to guess which release I want to use. He has to REACT to me. OK say he is playing 7 yards off of me and I want to run a fade. If he does not have a good back pedal I can drive to his inner hip like I want to break to the inside and force him to turn his hips, once the hips are turned I can break it back to the outside and gain a couple steps on him, then I can seal him off with my body so he is still behind me no matter what he does. The defense is at a disadvantage cause they react. Hell, you act as if Moss was Joe Blow from a NAIA DIII school.

 

[Stash]

just answer adam, why don'tcha?

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1) Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

2) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

3) Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

4) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

For someone who accuses me of having someone else -Tom Jackson - talk for me, you seem to do a great job yourself.

So you've got nothing?

 

[iceberg]

For someone who accuses me of having someone else -Tom Jackson - talk for me, you seem to do a great job yourself.

So you've got nothing?

great. i've got nothing. now:

1) Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

2) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

3) Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

4) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

 

[Stash]

These are examples of an offense trying to overload a zone defense. It's a players' job to adjust to that - or at the very least to play the same defense their teammates are playing.

Every think that the offense attacked the defense the right way? Do you KNOW what the responsibilities are? Do you KNOW that the defense is? Are YOU just speculating on what you THINK should have happend? What Adam was trying to make you think about is defenses have to play for "What if?" What that means is that the defense has to think of all those what if scenarios that Adam wanted you to answer when they design a coverage. Guess what? There are holes in every coverage. Remeber defensive coverage for the most part is reactive. A Good reciever can make a defense react. If I am running route and the DB wants to Jam me, he has to guess which release I want to use. He has to REACT to me. OK say he is playing 7 yards off of me and I want to run a fade. If he does not have a good back pedal I can drive to his inner hip like I want to break to the inside and force him to turn his hips, once the hips are turned I can break it back to the outside and gain a couple steps on him, then I can seal him off with my body so he is still behind me no matter what he does. The defense is at a disadvantage cause they react. Hell, you act as if Moss was Joe Blow from a NAIA DIII school.[/quote]

Why does that 'hole' seem to follow Roy Williams around the field?

Let me guess - coincidence.

 

[smarta5150]

The hits have dried up, it makes it a lot harder to gloss over Roys poor form when he isn't knocking people out of the game and instead diving at legs or grabbing on for dear life on a guys shoulder pads.

Wasnt it Burress who called him a glorified ankle tackler? Its not just the fans pointing this stuff out.

I am sure you believed Plax when he came out and said this.

My point was none of the fans had a problem with the way RW tackles.

UNTIL this year... funny timing thats all.

Last year the fans start to rag on him for his coverage and now it has snowballed into his tackling technique.

All the haters act as if ALL the SS in the league make every coverage play and never miss a tackle.

Please watch other games people - you will start to be thankful we have a player like Roy Williams.

 

[zrinkill]

It’s like brainwashing

My dad a big Cowboy fan thinks Roy is old and washed up

Well there ya go.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I'm not going to place blame nor remove it; I'm simply going to say that WE (fans and media) don't know jack about who is responsible on any given play. If you think otherwise, you are a complete idiot.

Everytime I see someone try to place blame I refer back to the Wade Phillips press conference where JFE asks him to comment on a blown play and says 'Williams always tells the media we don't know the scheme or who's at fault' and Wade says 'You don't! You guys don't know what you are talking about' .

If the coaching staff feels that Williams is a liability and trades/releases him then fine, I will agree. But so far, I see coaches giving praise to Williams abilities and others trying to gameplan possible weaknesses. If he was as bad a player many are making him out to be, you wouldn't need to gameplan....

 

[playmakers]

Personally, I think Roy is a tad cocky and thinks hes better than what he is.


If anyone watch NFL countdown last night and they broke the tape down and seen on Moss's TD it ws Roy's fault. Kyle Brady's TD was Roy's fault. Ill give him this though hes playing much better in coverage than last year. This was probabaly his only mess up of the season. Hes not given up the big play like the last few seasons. However, hes awful in coverage, thats just who he is. Overall, hes an above average player.

 

[Stash]

You're not even answering the questions. I asked, "Who covers whom?" And your answer is, "The players were responsible for an area." What kind of answer is that?

Again I asked, "Who covers whom?" And your answer is, "These are examples of an offense trying to overload a zone defense."

Just say who should cover whom on each play. (Your answers for each question should include the words "Roy should cover ...," "Newman should cover ..." and "Hamlin should cover ...")

1) Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom? Moss would be in Newman's zone and Watson would be in Williams'

2) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom? How does Watson run a curl from where he was? And how does that 'curl' end up in the back of the end zone?

3) Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom? In this great offensive play, do Watson and Moss actually run into each other? Or maybe they just sandwich Newman between them?

4) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

Again, how does this 'curl' end up in the back of the end zone?

 

[LatinMind]

As I recall Roy was playing closer to the line than Newman. He went with the TE. Why would Newman release the WR to Roy when he knew Roy was lined up closer to the line, that doesn't make sense. Perhaps Hamlin was supposed to get over? Perhaps Newman made the mistake. I also recall the announcer mentioning something about some confusion due to some new coverages put in.

i gave u an account as to what tom jackson said. im sure some of these pid people and ex players know more then the simple fan. thats why they get paid.

 

[AdamJT13]

Why does that 'hole' seem to follow Roy Williams around the field?

It doesn't. You only think it does.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Then I think it's time you lower your expectations. I think he's at the peak of his potential. Roy's been in the league six years, I don't know how much more improvement you're going to get out of him.

To me, he is great around the LOS, lost in coverage.

Fixed. :

 

[zrinkill]

i gave u an account as to what tom jackson said. im sure some of these pid people and ex players know more then the simple fan. thats why they get paid.

And I am sure Wade and Bill Parcells knows more about this defense than Tom Jackson.

 

[smarta5150]

Personally, I think Roy is a tad cocky and thinks hes better than what he is.


If anyone watch NFL countdown last night and they broke the tape down and seen on Moss's TD it ws Roy's fault. Kyle Brady's TD was Roy's fault. Ill give him this though hes playing much better in coverage than last year. This was probabaly his only mess up of the season. Hes not given up the big play like the last few seasons. However, hes awful in coverage, thats just who he is. Overall, hes an above average player.

They MUST be right.

The Brady to Brady TD was Newmans fault IMO.

He was lined up over Brady and did nothing on the pay but watch Brady run towards him and make the cut across the middle.

Heck, I could be wrong and so can BSPN.

The only people who knows who fault it was is the coaching staff.

 

[Cochese]

I am sure you believed Plax when he came out and said this.

My point was none of the fans had a problem with the way RW tackles.

UNTIL this year... funny timing thats all.

Last year the fans start to rag on him for his coverage and now it has snowballed into his tackling technique.

All the haters act as if ALL the SS in the league make every coverage play and never miss a tackle.

Please watch other games people - you will start to be thankful we have a player like Roy Williams.

I diddnt believe Plax then, but I am starting to come around to believing what he said. He is a big man that dives at peoples feet.

The fans have been on him for his coverage since at least 04, its not like this is some new fangled thing to criticize him.

If he cant cover, and he cant properly tackle, then what is it that he is doing for the team right now that someone else (cheaper) couldnt do?

He makes far too much money for the excuses that get tossed around for him.

 

[LatinMind]

So if Watson runs a hook at the goal line in front of Roy, who's supposed to cover him? Nobody? Or is Roy supposed to cover one guy at the front of the end zone and one guy at the back of the end zone? Sorry, but that's a terrible coverage scheme.

well consdiering newman released moss to cover watson i'd assume roy dont you think? the object of a zone is the adjust and to cover a specified area?

i know some of you saw this breakdown on sunday night. i did and it was clear who was at fault.

its no secret roy cannot play zone coverage. the thing that baffles me is why does dallas continue to use it in the redzone. or why they continue to leave roy in there if he's unable to play it.

he has alot of misreads in zone and thats whats hurting dallas. has been for a long time.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Again, how does this 'curl' end up in the back of the end zone?

A curl route is about 12 yards. If he runs to the back of the endzone and curls back, he is closer to the middle but still in the back of the endzone.

 

[iceberg]

A curl route is about 12 yards. If he runs to the back of the endzone and curls back, he is closer to the middle but still in the back of the endzone.

tom jackson validate this claim?

 

[AdamJT13]

1) Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom? Moss would be in Newman's zone and Watson would be in Williams'

Right. So now if Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a post behind Roy, which one does Roy cover? They're both in his zone.

2) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom? How does Watson run a curl from where he was? And how does that 'curl' end up in the back of the end zone?

What kind of question is that? He runs down the field until he's in the back of the end zone and turns inside, like any other receiver does on any other curl.

So who covers whom?

3) Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom? In this great offensive play, do Watson and Moss actually run into each other? Or maybe they just sandwich Newman between them?

Why would they run into each other? Watson is running along the goal line, while Moss is in the back corner?

So who covers whom?

4) Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?
Again, how does this 'curl' end up in the back of the end zone?

He runs to the back of the end zone and turns around, that's how.

Who covers whom?