What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[VA Cowboy]

ROY!!!!1111!!!!11

 

[khiladi]

Why are you blaming Ayodele? That was a 15 yard pass that turned into a 6o yard pass because the fearsome intimidator bounced off.

Because the TE was Ayodele responsibility, but he got burned, and Roy was covering the receiver on the right of the tight-end. Roy was coming over to tackle the TE, who already caught the ball and had his momentum. Why do you think he hit him from the side...

 

[Cochese]

Why do you think he hit him from the side...

He takes poor tackling angles?

 

[AdamJT13]

Honest question here as well:

Why does the defense have to be adjusted to allow Williams to play closer to the line of scrimmage?

I guess you missed the times when Phillips and Stewart have explained that. It's not because he can't play deep, it's because he's at his best when he's close to the line of scrimmage, where he can blitz, stop the run and still cover. If you play him deep, you're taking him out of two of those three areas.

 

[theogt]

Ladies and gentleman, stasheroo...

 

[smarta5150]

Hamlin was actually beat worse by the Pats.

He was lost when it came time to double receivers.

 

[zrinkill]

Still waiting on someone to answer Adam's questions, I get the feeling I will be waiting awhile

That happens a lot when people try to argue with Adam.

Seems like they would learn by now.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Why are you blaming Ayodele? That was a 15 yard pass that turned into a 6o yard pass because the fearsome intimidator bounced off.

Yeah, that was pretty bad. And I don't know that you can argue against that.

Gotta admit tho, that had dude gone down, that would've been a nice Woo! hit.

Honest question here as well:

Why does the defense have to be adjusted to allow Williams to play closer to the line of scrimmage?

IMO, it's not so much about the defense adjusting to Williams as it is playing to his strengths. Each player has strengths and weakness, and it's the coaches job to put them in the best position to succeed. Ask yourself why Ayodele and Bradie are replaced on mostly on passing downs. Last year there were a ton of Bradie sucks threads, now notsomuch.

 

[Hostile]

I am not in the blame Roy crowd Hos. I think he played a solid game. Your right the flaw was in the coverage, not the players. I firmly belive if we played Newman in the slot things would have been a lot different.

I was trying to make a point to stasheroo about his claim of people who didn't play the game. Sometimes people forget that there is another guy who is trying to make a play also. WR's have so much of a advantage it is sick.

I know Sac, I was agreeing with you and ratifying it.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Okay. I will certainly try.

What is the secondary assignment of the 2 OLBs in a 3-4 or Nickel scheme?

If you answered coverage underneath you are correct.



Who is currently providing our coverage underneath, and also watching the deep middle?

If you said Roy, you are correct again.



Why is he being asked to divide his assignments?

If you answered because our 3 primary OLB's are all converted DEs you are on a roll.



Roy plays very aggressive. Have any of you noticed that he doesn't have many big hits this year? Not because he's lost it, but because teams no longer throw it to the zone underneath him. he takes that away by sheer intimidation. So then, where would this leave him vulnerable?

Right, over the top. You guys are blaming Roy for the offenses taking what we give them.



I simply do not understand it. The guy makes big plays that change games. When you combine takeaways, sacks, and tackles that the guy provides this team and compare it against any other SS in the NFL he is miles ahead.

That hardly equates to a total waste.

OK Hos, you make very good points, however, "and tackles"? The games I watch, Roy gives big hits and hopes they fall down. A lot of times the ball carrier does just that but, I would appreciate it if Roy would use a little form and tackle with his arms and drive the ball carrier to the ground.

 

[Hostile]

Yes.

In that instance, they were deficent.

Incorrect!

It means that you have to adjust their assignment.

When you do what will the offense do?

 

[smarta5150]

OK Hos, you make very good points, however, "and tackles"? The games I watch, Roy gives big hits and hopes they fall down. A lot of times the ball carrier does just that but, I would appreciate it if Roy would use a little form and tackle with his arms and drive the ball carrier to the ground.

Not picking on you specifically because a lot of the haters have been talking about Roy "wrapping up" lately.

HE NEVER WRAPPED UP... funny how everyone has a problem with it now.

 

[Hostile]

Honest question here as well:

Why does the defense have to be adjusted to allow Williams to play closer to the line of scrimmage?

It doesn't "have to be."

It it what they want to do so he can create havoc. Injuries to Henry and Newman have prevented it from happening much at all.

 

[Stash]

The Patriots line up exactly how they did on Moss' TD catch, and we have the same coverage called.

Let's say Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

The coverage responsibilty would then be Newman's. Just like it was to start the play. The offense put the pressure on the defense to smoothly switch coverage responsibilities. Williams failed to.

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

The players were responsible for an area.

Let's say Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?[/quote]

These are examples of an offense trying to overload a zone defense. It's a players' job to adjust to that - or at the very least to play the same defense their teammates are playing.

 

[zrinkill]

OK Hos, you make very good points, however, "and tackles"? The games I watch, Roy gives big hits and hopes they fall down. A lot of times the ball carrier does just that but, I would appreciate it if Roy would use a little form and tackle with his arms and drive the ball carrier to the ground.

When he does that .... like he did with the Pats tightend .....the kids on this forum start a thread on how it was a dirty tackle ....

He cannot win with some of these agenda boys.

 

[Stash]

I guess you missed the times when Phillips and Stewart have explained that. It's not because he can't play deep, it's because he's at his best when he's close to the line of scrimmage, where he can blitz, stop the run and still cover. If you play him deep, you're taking him out of two of those three areas.

Yeah.

Or maybe you're covering up for his obvious deficiencies in coverage.....

He's at his best when he's not covering.

 

[Hostile]

OK Hos, you make very good points, however, "and tackles"? The games I watch, Roy gives big hits and hopes they fall down. A lot of times the ball carrier does just that but, I would appreciate it if Roy would use a little form and tackle with his arms and drive the ball carrier to the ground.

I will not argue with you that he sometimes tackles with poor form.

However, look at the stats for who is leading the team in tackles and see where Roy ranks. He is doing a great job.

That's right, I said a "great" job. I meant it too.

 

[Stash]

Ladies and gentleman, stasheroo...

14,760 posts of nothing and still going strong!

What an accomplishment!

 

[AdamJT13]

The coverage responsibilty would then be Newman's. Just like it was to start the play. The offense put the pressure on the defense to smoothly switch coverage responsibilities. Williams failed to.

The players were responsible for an area.

These are examples of an offense trying to overload a zone defense. It's a players' job to adjust to that - or at the very least to play the same defense their teammates are playing.

Again, you're not answering the questions. You're just blindly blaming Roy when you don't even know what should have happened.

 

[Ren]

well we're 5-1 now, season is over, time to rebuild :bang2: