What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Trade him for a decent corner and draft Kenny Phillips/Justin King/Malcom Jenkins. He is a liability in converage and will always be.

He's gone soft since Kelly Rowland dumped him..

 

[Stash]

Here's a direct challenge to you --

1) On Moss' TD catch, explain who covers the tight end on a curl at the goal line in front of Roy.

Newman would have the coverage responsibility on the TE.

2) Explain the coverage on Kyle Brady's TD catch and why the safety lined up to the far outside on the right is "supposed to" cover the tight end lined up on the far left instead of the tight end right in front of him. Also, explain the coverage responsibilities of Burnett and James, the two linebackers lined up right across from Kyle Brady.

Who said they had coverage responsibilties at all?

They were most likely playing the run given the field position. A lot more likely to have those responsibilities than a safety anyway.

Now you explain why Roy ran with Ayodele and let Brady go by him.

 

[Hostile]

He hasnt had a big hit in a quite some time, and I doubt it has anything to do with what you say. Even when he gets a chance..Desmond Clark over the middle against Chicago..he threw his shoulder at him like a sissy and bounced off.

Yeah right.



I'll admit that was a poor tackle, but the rest of your statement is screed.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

So Newman is supposed to leave Moss and run 10 yards out of his zone to cover the tight end running a short curl in Roy's zone?

My problem with that play is, if Newman was suppose to go to Watson and Roy was supposed to go to Moss along with Hamlin and box him in, they should've got to their spots faster. Newman should've went to Watson as soon as the ball was snapped. Roy should've gotten to Moss as soon as it was snapped. I thought this year we were not gonna let the offense dictate things? Damnit!

 

[badleelee]

Roy isnt the problem, Newman, Herny, Jones and Reeves need to step it up if this team is going to have any shot in the post season.

No, Its Roy with no coverage skills.

 

[Stash]

So Newman is supposed to leave Moss and run 10 yards out of his zone to cover the tight end running a short curl in Roy's zone?

As soon as Moss cut inside, he should have become Roy's responsibility and Newman was then supposed to cover Watson.

There was no longer an outside receiver at that point.

If there was no receiver in his zone, I wouldn't expect Newman to just stand there, would you?

 

[VA Cowboy]

Wow, the Roy Williams defense force is out in full effect in this thread. Its never his fault, is it?

They probably own his jersey.

 

[Vtwin]

Nice backtrack.

What is not accurate about my statement?No backtracking here.

 

[dbair1967]

No, Its Roy with no coverage skills.

see earlier post

more support of my statement

David

 

[Stash]

But, he's not covering Brady. He's assigned to cover a Zone. If New England or any other team floods multiple Zones (exactly what they do) then it leaves someone vulnerable. If Roy plays that Zone deep and tight on Kyle Brady it leaves the underneath zone where the first down marker is completely unmanned.

There is no such thing as a perfect coverage scheme. Sometimes you just need to tip your hat to the offens einstead of blaming the defense.

Zone coverage at the goalline?

Not exactly the way I'd play it. And it looked like Ayodele had his man covered without Roy's 'help.'

 

[Dodger12]

For the pro-Roy fans, let me ask you this. We're playing Roy closer to the LOS this season to put him "in a position to make plays." That's Wade's philosophy for all that ails this D and I don't mean that in a demeaning way. What, in this scheme, is Roy supposed to excel at? I'm assuming that at some level, it's getting to the QB. But he has zero sacks thus far and doesn't him playing closer to the line further expose him to coverage problems?

Honestly, this season, I've seen fewer hits and limitted pressure on the QB when he does blitz. But I have to agree with an earlier poster who wrote that Roy is a victim of his own early success; the guy was destroying WR's and knocking out QB's. We've just come to expect it in every game and that's just not being realistic.

 

[dbair1967]

You'd think so. But if you go to other fan sites, it can get worse. Much worse.

yeah I have occassionally seen Art's es posts linked here, and they dont get much dumber than him...other than them I dont visit many fans forums anymore...used to on the old AOL forums

it just shocks me some of what is said here...probably 25-30 teams in this league would fall all over themselves to sign this guy if we cut him today, and there are really really ignorant people in here who think the guy is a scrub or that he's easily replaceable

David

 

[Vtwin]

So Newman is supposed to leave Moss and run 10 yards out of his zone to cover the tight end running a short curl in Roy's zone?

Leave Moss?He let Moss go thinking RW was going with him while he focused on the tight end in the flat.Why did both RW and TN focus on the tight end in the flat, leaving Moss in single coverage in the endzone?

 

[TVMan]

What is not accurate about my statement?No backtracking here.

And what part of that did you not absorb?

The part about Watkins being exploited and having the middle of the field as his responsibility?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Roy isnt the problem, Newman, Herny, Jones and Reeves need to step it up if this team is going to have any shot in the post season.

I guess they need to do their jobs and Roy's to???

 

[dbair1967]

For the pro-Roy fans, let me ask you this. We're playing Roy closer to the LOS this season to put him "in a position to make plays." That's Wade's philosophy for all that ails this D and I don't mean that in a demeaning way. What, in this scheme, is Roy supposed to excel at? I'm assuming that at some level, it's getting to the QB. But he has zero sacks thus far and doesn't him playing closer to the line further expose him to coverage problems?

Honestly, this season, I've seen fewer hits and limitted pressure on the QB when he does blitz. But I have to agree with an earlier poster who wrote that Roy is a victim of his own early success; the guy was destroying WR's and knocking out QB's. We've just come to expect it in every game and that's just not being realistic.

if you listen to what Wade has said and watch the damn game, you'd see he isnt lining up that often in the box...he hasnt been able to due to all the CB issues we have...Wade says once we get Henry and Newman on the field healthy, things will change some

David

 

[Hostile]

Zone coverage at the goalline?

Not exactly the way I'd play it. And it looked like Ayodele had his man covered without Roy's 'help.'

In a perfect world we'd have 4 natural LBs, a natural NT, and 11 guys who had been in this scheme for as long as the Patriots have to where all of this was as natural as breathing.

We don't live in a perfect world.

 

[sacase]

It is fascinating the the RW apologists have nothing to offer in the way of evidence but instead rely solely on discrediting the opinions of the whiners.Come on apologists, give us somehting in the way of real evidence that backs up your claims that he is not a huge liability in pass defense.Anything......

Right...Make a claim...provide no proof and ask for proof to dispute your claim. What are they teaching in school these days.

Fact of the matter is, whatever the talking head told you, he was told by someone else. He did not break the film down. Someone else made the graphic and told him what to say. The only thing you saw was what he told you to see.

You do realize that there are serveral people here who have played at the college level. Hell, there may be some people here with Pro experience (not that they would share that with anyone) I belive Hos has played at a Major college level.

So people do have experience playing the game. Now the question is, do you? Can you identify the defense being run? The coverage? Do you know who the Qb is keying on in a particular play? Do know know that routes change depending on the coverage?

 

[Stash]

yeah I have occassionally seen Art's es posts linked here, and they dont get much dumber than him...other than them I dont visit many fans forums anymore...used to on the old AOL forums

it just shocks me some of what is said here...probably 25-30 teams in this league would fall all over themselves to sign this guy if we cut him today, and there are really really ignorant people in here who think the guy is a scrub or that he's easily replaceable

David

I'll reply with this:

Who would trade for him, given the cost?

 

[dbair1967]

Zone coverage at the goalline?

Not exactly the way I'd play it. And it looked like Ayodele had his man covered without Roy's 'help.'

clearly your more an authority on red zone defense than Wade Phillips

thanks for pointing that out to us

David