What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[Stash]

Opinions are like...

:starspin

Yeah.

They are.

 

[TVMan]

Yeah.

They are.

:laugh1:

 

[dbair1967]

you'd think we're 0-6 and giving up 50 pts a game with all the crying and bellyaching going on here

David

 

[TVMan]

Group hug?:starspin

 

[Stash]

Why would the coverage scheme ask Ayodele to cover the tight end to the outside, where Roy was, and ask Roy to cover the tight end on the other side of the field?

Best guess -- because two players were responsible for each tight end and/or the flat. If the back came out to Roy's side, either he or Ayodele would have been responsible. But I see no reason why Roy would be responsible for the tight end lined up on the other side of the field, when James and Burnett were right in front of him. James hit him coming off the line, but then let him go and played the run fake. Burnett also bit on the fake, letting Brady run right past him. I just don't see any possible coverage scheme that has Roy covering Brady.

Who do you feel would have more coverage responsibility in that situation - a safety or a linebacker?

If James and Burnett bit on a play fake, what did Roy bite on that caused him to be so out of position?

 

[Stash]

you'd think we're 0-6 and giving up 50 pts a game with all the crying and bellyaching going on here

David

I'm very happy with the team being 5-1.

That doesn't mean that I have to be happy about the play of everyone on the team, does it?

It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.

This or that.

All or nothing.

I feel that I have the right to give criticism when I feel its' warranted though.

 

[Kilyin]

Call me 'clueless' then.

I think they're both overrated.

And I think the Pro Bowl is a joke.

I agree, the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest and nothing more. That doesn't mean every player selected to go is overrated though.

Not sure what you guys expect out of a safety, but there's a reason they're playing safety.

 

[dbair1967]

Who do you feel would have more coverage responsibility in that situation - a safety or a linebacker?

If James and Burnett bit on a play fake, what did Roy bite on that caused him to be so out of position?

who cares?

we gave up 48 freaking pts and lost one game...Roy messing up on a play or two didnt lose the game...I'm quite sure that with 48 pts allowed there were other players who made mistakes...I'm also quite sure the Pats played a nearly perfect game

David

 

[AdamJT13]

As soon as Moss cut inside, he should have become Roy's responsibility and Newman was then supposed to cover Watson.

You're not thinking about the coverage. If Moss cuts inside and Watson runs a curl, there's no way Roy can cover both guys, and absolutely no way Newman can get to Watson in time to stop the touchdown.

Think about the coverage responsibilities.

Let's say Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

 

[Stash]

who cares?

we gave up 48 freaking pts and lost one game...Roy messing up on a play or two didnt lose the game...I'm quite sure that with 48 pts allowed there were other players who made mistakes...I'm also quite sure the Pats played a nearly perfect game

David

And I would certainly agree with you.

But that doesn't mean that the plays didn't happen either.

If this team expects to be great, they all need to clean things like that up.

Hopefully they will.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

That doesn't mean that I have to be happy about the play of everyone on the team, does it?

Exactly. Someone start a Nate Jones thread because i have some ugly things to say about him and his worth.

 

[AdamJT13]

Who do you feel would have more coverage responsibility in that situation - a safety or a linebacker?

You just claimed that Ayodele had more coverage responsibility than Roy for the tight end right in front of both of them.

If James and Burnett bit on a play fake, what did Roy bite on that caused him to be so out of position?

Who said Roy was out of position? He had the tight end on his side double-covered quite well.

 

[Stash]

You're not thinking about the coverage. If Moss cuts inside and Watson runs a curl, there's no way Roy can cover both guys, and absolutely no way Newman can get to Watson in time to stop the touchdown.

Think about the coverage responsibilities.

Let's say Watson runs a curl in front of Roy and Moss runs a fade into the back corner. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs a curl to the front. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs an out along the goal line and Moss runs a fade to the back. Who covers whom?

Let's say Watson runs a curl to the back of the end zone and Moss runs an in along the goal line in front of Roy. Who covers whom?

Isn't that the whole point?

A defense runs a zone scheme and an offense tries to create matchup/responsibility problems to beat it?

If the defense can't adjust, the offense wins - and they did here.

I would question running a zone scheme at all given the field position, but if that's what's called, all 11 players need to be on the same page, right?

 

[dbair1967]

Exactly. Someone start a Nate Jones thread because i have some ugly things to say about him and his worth.

everybody is roasting him now, but a few weeks ago when he was released to make room for Tank Johnson, there was a meltdown because he was such an intergral part of the pass defense

David

 

[TVMan]

Exactly. Someone start a Nate Jones thread because i have some ugly things to say about him and his worth.

Burnett sucked too.
Carpenter, who is he?
Watkins, what the?

 

[AdamJT13]

Isn't that the whole point?

A defense runs a zone scheme and an offense tries to create matchup/responsibility problems to beat it?

If the defense can't adjust, the offense wins - and they did here.

I would question running a zone scheme at all given the field position, but if that's what's called, all 11 players need to be on the same page, right?

Why can't you just answer the questions?

And who says Roy wasn't on the correct page? Who says Hamlin wasn't supposed to have the inside coverage on Moss in that situation?

 

[TVMan]

ZONERS:

Do you believe we should trade SS Roy Williams?

I used to love watching him but anymore he just gives me gas....:bang2:

I own a autographed jersey, however, Roy cannot cover or wrap up and tackle and his hard hits......well, they DO NOT knock down the ball carrier like they once did.

What do you think we should HONESTLY do about Roy? :bang2:

We all blast you for being crazy, but we are still at it 14 pages and going. Who is Crazy know?

 

[sacase]

jterrell and scottsp both played in college as DBs.

To my knowledge neither one of them is on Roy's case as a liability.

Adbutcher played defense. A big time Roy fan.

You want to discount my opinion because I played offense that's cool. What about these guys?

I played in a small college that ran 3-5 WR sets, so I understand what the offense is trying to force the defense to do.

 

[Hostile]

Isn't that the whole point?

A defense runs a zone scheme and an offense tries to create matchup/responsibility problems to beat it?

If the defense can't adjust, the offense wins - and they did here.

I would question running a zone scheme at all given the field position, but if that's what's called, all 11 players need to be on the same page, right?

Okay Stash, that is what I want to focus on right there.

If the offense finds a way to beat the defensive scheme being run does it mean that the players in that scheme are deficient?

A simple yes or no.

 

[superpunk]

I think Ware is already a LBer.

He doesnt play like a DE turned LBer. He looks like a pure LBer. And he deserves a ton of credit for putting forth the hard work in doing so.

Spencer looks like a DE playing OLB. But thats to be expected. He is a rookie.

Bradie James has been playing pretty solid this year. I think Ayodele is being exposed moreso. I think its about time we start questioning whether or not Burnett can come in and take more reps at MLB for Ayodele. It also puts one of our better coverage LBers into the game and gives us more speed inside. The question is, whether or not Burnett can hold up on the run.

Burnett is getting in the game more and more, isn't he? Had a nice blitz last week that was simply negated by Brady playing like Raptor Jesus.