What would you do about Roy? Trade him?

[Hostile]

For the pro-Roy fans, let me ask you this. We're playing Roy closer to the LOS this season to put him "in a position to make plays." That's Wade's philosophy for all that ails this D and I don't mean that in a demeaning way. What, in this scheme, is Roy supposed to excel at? I'm assuming that at some level, it's getting to the QB. But he has zero sacks thus far and doesn't him playing closer to the line further expose him to coverage problems?

Honestly, this season, I've seen fewer hits and limitted pressure on the QB when he does blitz. But I have to agree with an earlier poster who wrote that Roy is a victim of his own early success; the guy was destroying WR's and knocking out QB's. We've just come to expect it in every game and that's just not being realistic.

That is where we wanted to play him.

Maybe with a healthy Newman and Henry we could play him there, but take a look at the games. Is that where you see him? I sure don't. Except on the rare blitz.

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

yeah I have occassionally seen Art's es posts linked here, and they dont get much dumber than him...other than them I dont visit many fans forums anymore...used to on the old AOL forums

it just shocks me some of what is said here...probably 25-30 teams in this league would fall all over themselves to sign this guy if we cut him today, and there are really really ignorant people in here who think the guy is a scrub or that he's easily replaceable

David

AMEN! The bench/trade Roy stuff is just too funny.

 

[dbair1967]

I'll reply with this:

Who would trade for him, given the cost?

gee I dont know...why dont you call around and find out for us

the guy's constantly rated among the best, or the best at his position in the league...like I said, alot of teams would love to have him

David

 

[Vintage]

In a perfect world we'd have 4 natural LBs, a natural NT, and 11 guys who had been in this scheme for as long as the Patriots have to where all of this was as natural as breathing.

We don't live in a perfect world.

I think Ware is already a LBer.

He doesnt play like a DE turned LBer. He looks like a pure LBer. And he deserves a ton of credit for putting forth the hard work in doing so.

Spencer looks like a DE playing OLB. But thats to be expected. He is a rookie.

Bradie James has been playing pretty solid this year. I think Ayodele is being exposed moreso. I think its about time we start questioning whether or not Burnett can come in and take more reps at MLB for Ayodele. It also puts one of our better coverage LBers into the game and gives us more speed inside. The question is, whether or not Burnett can hold up on the run.

 

[Stash]

In a perfect world we'd have 4 natural LBs, a natural NT, and 11 guys who had been in this scheme for as long as the Patriots have to where all of this was as natural as breathing.

We don't live in a perfect world.

We'd also have a safety who didn't have to be kept 'in the box' to prevent being expsoed in coverage.

But as I said, Ayodele looked to have his man covered pretty well.

I wonder if Chicago makes the same 'adjustments' for their safety?

 

[Stash]

clearly your more an authority on red zone defense than Wade Phillips

thanks for pointing that out to us

David

Please david, obviously nobody alive is more an 'authority' on anything than you are.

I just wonder if you go through life like this or save it all for us here....

 

[Vintage]

We'd also have a safety who didn't have to be kept 'in the box' to prevent being expsoed in coverage.

But as I said, Ayodele looked to have his man covered pretty well.

I wonder if Chicago makes the same 'adjustments' for their safety?

They've played some Cover 1 and put AA in the box.

And when they don't, Troy Williamson beats them over the top with AA on him for a TD.

 

[Kilyin]

There aren't enough short buses being produced to pick up all the tards in this thread. I guess we'll just have to push 'em off a cliff.

 

[Hostile]

Right...Make a claim...provide no proof and ask for proof to dispute your claim. What are they teaching in school these days.

Fact of the matter is, whatever the talking head told you, he was told by someone else. He did not break the film down. Someone else made the graphic and told him what to say. The only thing you saw was what he told you to see.

You do realize that there are serveral people here who have played at the college level. Hell, there may be some people here with Pro experience (not that they would share that with anyone) I belive Hos has played at a Major college level.

So people do have experience playing the game. Now the question is, do you? Can you identify the defense being run? The coverage? Do you know who the Qb is keying on in a particular play? Do know know that routes change depending on the coverage?

jterrell and scottsp both played in college as DBs.

To my knowledge neither one of them is on Roy's case as a liability.

Adbutcher played defense. A big time Roy fan.

You want to discount my opinion because I played offense that's cool. What about these guys?

 

[Vtwin]

And what part of that did you not absorb?

The part about Watkins being exploited and having the middle of the field as his responsibility?

What part of the fact that most of the discussion here is about SPECIFIC plays while the qoute you produced is about the overall scheme and the exection of that are you not absorbing?Your quote might be true but it is irrelevent to the discussion of the SPECIFIC plays being talked about.

 

[Stash]

gee I dont know...why dont you call around and find out for us

the guy's constantly rated among the best, or the best at his position in the league...like I said, alot of teams would love to have him

David

Yeah, and Sean Taylor made the Pro Bowl along with DeAngelo Hall. Nice 'ratings' there.....

 

[TVMan]

We'd also have a safety who didn't have to be kept 'in the box' to prevent being expsoed in coverage.

But as I said, Ayodele looked to have his man covered pretty well.

I wonder if Chicago makes the same 'adjustments' for their safety?

Every Safety in the NFL gets exposed. They ALL give up touchdowns.

Roy is just your whipping Boy.

He is soooo bad that we have managed to be 5-1 with his sorry behind on our team.

This is beyond idiotic.

 

[Stash]

Every Safety in the NFL gets exposed. They ALL give up touchdowns.

Roy is justyour whipping Boy.

He is soooo bad that we have managed to be 5-1 with his sorry behind on our team.

This is beyond idiotic.

Yeah, Roy's the reason for the team's 5-1 start.

Talk about idiotic......

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, and Sean Taylor made the Pro Bowl along with DeAngelo Hall. Nice 'ratings' there.....

I dont care about the pro bowl, but I do care about comments and listings from polls of NFL pro personnel/GM's, and everytime I see them he is at or near the top

David

 

[Kilyin]

Yeah, and Sean Taylor made the Pro Bowl along with DeAngelo Hall. Nice 'ratings' there.....

I'll give you Hall, but if you're arguing that both Sean Taylor and Roy Williams aren't pro bowl safeties, you're pretty clueless. They're both exceptional players, deadskin bias aside.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam, why would the scheme call for Roy to let Brady run free while doubling a man that Ayodele was already covering?

Why would the coverage scheme ask Ayodele to cover the tight end to the outside, where Roy was, and ask Roy to cover the tight end on the other side of the field?

Best guess -- because two players were responsible for each tight end and/or the flat. If the back came out to Roy's side, either he or Ayodele would have been responsible. But I see no reason why Roy would be responsible for the tight end lined up on the other side of the field, when James and Burnett were right in front of him. James hit him coming off the line, but then let him go and played the run fake. Burnett also bit on the fake, letting Brady run right past him. I just don't see any possible coverage scheme that has Roy covering Brady.

 

[TVMan]

Yeah, Roy's the reason for the team's 5-1 start.

Talk about idiotic......

I said that? Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Stash]

I'll give you Hall, but if you're arguing that both Sean Taylor and Roy Williams aren't pro bowl safeties, you're pretty clueless.

Call me 'clueless' then.

I think they're both overrated.

And I think the Pro Bowl is a joke.

 

[Hostile]

I think Ware is already a LBer.

He doesnt play like a DE turned LBer. He looks like a pure LBer. And he deserves a ton of credit for putting forth the hard work in doing so.

Spencer looks like a DE playing OLB. But thats to be expected. He is a rookie.

Bradie James has been playing pretty solid this year. I think Ayodele is being exposed moreso. I think its about time we start questioning whether or not Burnett can come in and take more reps at MLB for Ayodele. It also puts one of our better coverage LBers into the game and gives us more speed inside. The question is, whether or not Burnett can hold up on the run.

Great post.

That's all I really want to say.

 

[TVMan]

Call me 'clueless' then.

I think they're both overrated.

And I think the Pro Bowl is a joke.

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