CFZ What Would You Have Done at WR?

[Mr_437]

And I think it’s safe to say at this point that Lamb has yet to do enough to guarantee that the option year should or would get picked up.

So what would do moving forward at the WR position considering what you think about CeeDee?

 

[Stash]

That 5th year option is gonna cost you more versus the cap than year 1 of the new deal in all likelihood.
Calvin Ridley's 5th year option would be 11M for instance.

No doubt. I saw another one that was $13 million. I’d expect Lamb’s to be in the $15 million range by that point.

And I haven’t seen enough to justify it at this point.

 

[Stash]

So what would do moving forward at the WR position considering what you think about CeeDee?

With Cooper gone? You’re stuck going back into the draft or hoping to hit on a cheap free agent (good luck with that!)

 

[Mr_437]

With Cooper gone? You’re stuck going back into the draft or hoping to hit on a cheap free agent (good luck with that!)

Yeah, that's what I meant. They already tried the drafting a WR and he can't even get active on gameday.

 

[stiletto]

Yeah, that's what I meant. They already tried the drafting a WR and he can't even get active on gameday.

I think they seriously thought the guys they had + a 3rd round draft pick would be enough to replace Cooper. It's completely laughable.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, that's what I meant. They already tried the drafting a WR and he can't even get active on gameday.

Well they definitely have to see what they have or don’t have in Tolbert.

 

[Mr_437]

Well they definitely have to see what they have or don’t have in Tolbert.

True. He probably plays MNF with all chatter going on about him.

 

[ghst187]

We didn’t need to shed salary for just this season guys but roster management goes beyond one year.

Like I said in the above post:

If you had let Gallup go and had Coop at 20M and Lamb staring at 20M in a year, you’d have to make this same decision all over again but this time without the crutch of a dependable WR2 in Gallup.

You’d have to choose between Coop and Lamb in a year from now because you’re not paying both top dollar. Also, Cooper would be nearing the end of his deal and the re-up would be within sight.

Nobody in the history of the league has paid 3WR’s. You honestly think that’s a good way to build a roster?

I’ll tell you the absolute worst way to manage a roster is Jerry’s ego, which is what drove Amari’s trade, at least from what I gathered.
I get your points but the difference between Amari and Gallup is pretty huge IMO. I’m no big Amari fanboy but realistic that he was legit top 10 or so WR in the league and the rest of our crew probably barely cracks the top 25 or 30. I’m not for ditching talent for inferior because the owners upset at it. I like Gallup but I think it’s ridiculous to think he can replace Amari. Add in the fact that Gallup coming off an ACL and wasn’t expected to play for the first four weeks, I would’ve kept Amari at least one more season and let Gallup walk, cashed the comp pick (which probably wouldve been what we got for Amari). Then make the decision next off-season about Ceedee.
As it stands now and the way he’s been playing so far, not a chance I’m paying Lamb big money.
The move on Amari feels like it was either preemptively giving up on this season or massive overestimation of Lamb, Gallup, and Dak. It’s still to early to say definitively, but that move is looking horribly dumb right now.

 

[jazzcat22]

What he’s saying is true.

That is not what this thread is about though.

 

[Kingofholland]

I’ve seen some outlandish reasoning for why the team should have kept the 3 WR’s together. Not sure if we understand how people build rosters but there’s no such thing as paying big deals to 3 WR’s. That just an insane way to allocate your cap funds.

Yes the vaccine and heart/passion issues were thrown around for Coop, but those were more as pros and cons for which WR to keep. The decision to only pay 2 guys moving forward was obvious, they just had to decide who.

The hope is Gallup is a good WR2 at half the cost of Cooper and Lamb steps into the WR1 role and gets the big bucks.

I’m not saying that will happen but the plan wasn’t crazy. Cooper playing well has nothing to do with it, we didn’t trade him due to not being able to play well.

You can’t keep all three once they get off rookie deals and you can’t pay two number 1’s (poor roster management) so you have only two options. A) Cooper and Gallup or B) Lamb and Gallup. Team chose B and it’s not an illogical one. Lamb is younger and was drafted by them. Coop is good but you know his highs. Lamb has the upside to maybe be more so they bet on that.

I know some (most) of us are prisoners of the moment so Coop’s stock is sky high right now while Lamb’s may not be. But by stepping back and looking at the two options outlined in the previous paragraph, what would y’all have done?

I think it was completely logical to bet on Ceedee your first round pick as we know what we have in Cooper.

I think the intent was for Cooper's money to go to Gallup and Gregory, and then roll the rest into future signings. Since Gregory didn't sign it looks like wasted money, but is being rolled into future years.

Personally I would have kept Coop unless we could get better draft compensation. Then restructured his salary used the excess to negotiate with Gallup or either sign JuJu Smith or Jarvis Landry. If the bridge with Coop was truly burned, then ok move on from him re-sign Gallup then go get JuJu or Landry. Landry may have been the better fit to play in the slot.

 

[charron]

Yes you could have all 3. They didnt touch tge 20million they saved on coop. Next year you cut dlaw, the savings help pay daks bloated salary. Then you cut zeke and tyron or he retires. You can always move money if you want too.

 

[Stash]

That is not what this thread is about though.

But it’s ever-present when talking about the organization’s decision-making. It’s a results-driven business after all.

 

[zrinkill]

Give us a break with your living in the past 27 years crap.
The subject is about the WR’s and this year.

Then its exactly the same crap ........ he got rid of a valuable asset (Cooper) because he hurt his feelings ....... just like he did 29 years ago.

I know the subject and the WR's this year ...... and your hero is the problem ...... this year and in the past.

 

[Kolemmitt]

Yes you could have all 3. They didnt touch tge 20million they saved on coop. Next year you cut dlaw, the savings help pay daks bloated salary. Then you cut zeke and tyron or he retires. You can always move money if you want too.

Cutting DLaw destroys our cap next year. He is here at least one more year.

 

[817Gill]

@817Gill Do you pay CeeDee in 2 years or are you looking for an alternative?

I don’t know yet and that’s another reason I don’t mind the Coop departure.

We spent a first on this guy and everything from his play style to the marketing and 88 stuff he was going to be able to ask for a top of the market deal. With Cooper, Lamb gets a lot less attention and could fool you into a high statistical season and make you have to pay.

But now, we can see if he can handle the true WR1 responsibilities. I know you’re not suppose to make moves to figure a player’s value but the benefit of knowing is a positive of the situation. Basically lol, wait and see. But with Cooper it was 100% high market value deal coming for Lamb.

 

[jay94]

Good teams have 3 good receivers at any time one will and can get hurt. Don't pay tes/rbs problem fixed. Cooper made this whole offense better just look at the yards of separation, he's open on nearly every damn play, with elite route running.

 

[817Gill]

I wasn’t worried about ‘all 3’ at all. I made my choice. Cooper and Lamb on his rookie deal.

And I think it’s safe to say at this point that Lamb has yet to do enough to guarantee that the option year should or would get picked up.



Just another bad decision on their part, being proven without a shadow of a doubt.

Ok c’mon it’s week 3 lol they’ve played 2 games. Nothing has been proven yet. There are still a ton of variables that decide who ends up the winner between the two parties:

-Cooper has lit up plenty of September’s just to get banged up and balk in the cold as the season wears on.

-Michael Gelken tweeted Gallup looks like his old self. If Gallup is back to his full self and stays healthy he has high-end WR2 ability and we’ve seen it (1,000 yard season in 2019).

-If Ceedee does prove to be a viable WR1 or a 1A one 1B thing with Gallup they’ll definitely be effective. Lamb had 7 for 75 last game with a backup QB and a conservative as heck 2nd half game plan. We still don’t know who he is yet.

-Jalen Tolbert has 100% started slow no doubt. But we have to give guys a chance to before writing them off. He made a big step from South Alabama to the NFL. Time will tell on if he’s a player. If so, you’re at least 3 deep with quality WR’s (4 if you’re a Noah Brown guy lol).

In reality, it’s going to take a year or two before you actually know who made the out better here. There are ifs and variables that are gonna decide this thing over time.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I’ve seen some outlandish reasoning for why the team should have kept the 3 WR’s together. Not sure if we understand how people build rosters but there’s no such thing as paying big deals to 3 WR’s. That just an insane way to allocate your cap funds.

Yes the vaccine and heart/passion issues were thrown around for Coop, but those were more as pros and cons for which WR to keep. The decision to only pay 2 guys moving forward was obvious, they just had to decide who.

The hope is Gallup is a good WR2 at half the cost of Cooper and Lamb steps into the WR1 role and gets the big bucks.

I’m not saying that will happen but the plan wasn’t crazy. Cooper playing well has nothing to do with it, we didn’t trade him due to not being able to play well.

You can’t keep all three once they get off rookie deals and you can’t pay two number 1’s (poor roster management) so you have only two options. A) Cooper and Gallup or B) Lamb and Gallup. Team chose B and it’s not an illogical one. Lamb is younger and was drafted by them. Coop is good but you know his highs. Lamb has the upside to maybe be more so they bet on that.

I know some (most) of us are prisoners of the moment so Coop’s stock is sky high right now while Lamb’s may not be. But by stepping back and looking at the two options outlined in the previous paragraph, what would y’all have done?

I think it was completely logical to bet on Ceedee your first round pick as we know what we have in Cooper.

The same as Jerry did as having a 20 million $ WR is a total waste of good Cap cash for us.......

 

[HungryLion]

Give us a break with your living in the past 27 years crap.
The subject is about the WR’s and this year.

If you’re going to make the argument that people are just nitpicking the FO. Then it’s valid for others to add context by discussing that FO’s track record for success or lack thereof.

 

[TwentyOne]

I’ve seen some outlandish reasoning for why the team should have kept the 3 WR’s together. Not sure if we understand how people build rosters but there’s no such thing as paying big deals to 3 WR’s. That just an insane way to allocate your cap funds.

Yes the vaccine and heart/passion issues were thrown around for Coop, but those were more as pros and cons for which WR to keep. The decision to only pay 2 guys moving forward was obvious, they just had to decide who.

The hope is Gallup is a good WR2 at half the cost of Cooper and Lamb steps into the WR1 role and gets the big bucks.

I’m not saying that will happen but the plan wasn’t crazy. Cooper playing well has nothing to do with it, we didn’t trade him due to not being able to play well.

You can’t keep all three once they get off rookie deals and you can’t pay two number 1’s (poor roster management) so you have only two options. A) Cooper and Gallup or B) Lamb and Gallup. Team chose B and it’s not an illogical one. Lamb is younger and was drafted by them. Coop is good but you know his highs. Lamb has the upside to maybe be more so they bet on that.

I know some (most) of us are prisoners of the moment so Coop’s stock is sky high right now while Lamb’s may not be. But by stepping back and looking at the two options outlined in the previous paragraph, what would y’all have done?

I think it was completely logical to bet on Ceedee your first round pick as we know what we have in Cooper.

This outcome was to be expected. The problem arose with the contract we handed out to Prescott.