Whats Dallas' Real Problem?

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Depth!

Not the running game, not the defensive scheme. Not the special teams unit. Not even the soft coverage dallas likes to play to protect roy williams from having to cover.

It's the G****** depth, or lack there of.

Yesterday while Dallas had nothing to play for, except for a couple milestones which mean absolutely nothing as to the term "TEAM".

What i saw yesterday was, 2005 all over again. Pre-TO football, where teams wold line up 8 and 9 man fronts to stop the running game. Yesterday was a reality check on what makes the Cowboys function. Terrell Owens is his name. He keeps the defense honest, even if he's having a bad game. Something i think we as fans and the Dallas Cowboys took for granted. Dallas could get nothing going against a good pressure defense.

Barber is more then capable of running on the Commanders, but when u have 8 and 9 men attacking the LOS with only 5 or 6 blocking, not even Ladanian Tomlinson couldnt have done anything.

When you have your 3rd and 5th options in for most of the game trying to cover one of the fastest and one of the better wr's in the league they're going to get torched. Which is exactly what happened to Reeves and Ball. No other WR did anything against Dallas, except the TE who is Roy's responsibility.

Dallas needs...............Depth!! Not McFadden, not some rookie draft pick to play cb type of depth. They need Established veteran leadership! Dallas is already the 3rd youngest team in the nfl. And they're a superbowl contender. Thy're a player or 2 away from Being the Top dog. This is when u sell out and get a superstar to put you over the top. OR, sign a couple to a few mid-priced young established talent, to not only help you now, but play prime football in the future.

McFadden hasnt done squat in the NFL, what makes him all of the sudden worthy? Bush is more talented, faster quicker, and bigger. But in the NFL theres speed and size to eliminate that factor he had in college. And what is he now? Just another Player. Sure McFadden can run on college teams, but theres atleast 6 players n each teams defense who can catch him. The thing he doesnt have is size.

Is McFadden better then Barber? Hell no. Barber is a everydown back. McFadden a team will take him out inside the 20's.

What happens if Owens has another injury next yr? McFadden going to carry the Dallas Cowboys?

Dallas needs more OPTIONS to spread a defense and keep it honest. Keep the safety back, and keep that blitzing LB'er wondering if they blitz is that safety going to be able to get to Witten.

Dallas needs that WR to be able to run that Quick slant that picks up that 3rd down by beating the inside move of that CB and gets into that sweet spot in the middle of the field.

Dallas needs tha Veteran who knows the NFL game to Cover on 3rd down and reach for the ball, not the player. To know when to look back for the ball instead of face guarding.

Dallas isnt rebuilding to have to reach for a rookie in a weak draft. They're contending with a real young team, that needs direction and leadership from veteran leaders. Not more rookie mistakes. Depth is what NE has, its what the Colts have, Its what the Dallas Cowboys should want.
 

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Yes, we could always use better depth. However, I think just better execution overall and especially on 3rd down is the key. You convert 50% on 3rd downs...you win 9 times out of 10.
 

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things have not gone as well w/o gurode. not sure how 'telling' that is, but it has happened.
 

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I've been saying Depth too. We had less than we though. Those injuries made a big difference. Personally, I'd favor another receiver over trading the farm for McFadden. We're a passing team and the west coast offense could work here. Just get someone better than Julius for the #2 or #1 running back.
 

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Peterson did not do squate either but most who saw him knew he was going to be a very good RB. McFadden is a damn good RB and bigger and stronger than Bush. I don't know if Dallas would be able to get McFadden or not but to sit there and say the guy is not a damn good back is ridiculas. As far what Dallas will look for next off-season is any ones guess but getting a very talented RB I don't think is out of the question be it McFadden or one of the other top backs who will enter the draft.
 

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Doomsday101;1870461 said:
Peterson did not do squate either but most who saw him knew he was going to be a very good RB. McFadden is a damn good RB and bigger and stronger than Bush. I don't know if Dallas would be able to get McFadden or not but to sit there and say the guy is not a damn good back is ridiculas. As far what Dallas will look for next off-season is any ones guess but getting a very talented RB I don't think is out of the question be it McFadden or one of the other top backs who will enter the draft.

mcfadden is 6'2 205, bush is 6ft 203
 

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The problem with all these deals I keep hearing is: Mike Ditka, Ricky Williams. How do we know?
 

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Doomsday101;1870461 said:
Peterson did not do squate either but most who saw him knew he was going to be a very good RB. McFadden is a damn good RB and bigger and stronger than Bush. I don't know if Dallas would be able to get McFadden or not but to sit there and say the guy is not a damn good back is ridiculas. As far what Dallas will look for next off-season is any ones guess but getting a very talented RB I don't think is out of the question be it McFadden or one of the other top backs who will enter the draft.

i'm well known to hate the mcfadden talk. still am as in the end i think the price to pay for the fins pick will be way too high. we laugh at oakland for paying russell how much when he never played a down yet now we have our set that's so willing to pay up to 4 first rounders for 1 player. THEN we'll have to pay around or more than russell on top of that.

now if we could swap picks, players and even ireland or something, we're back in the running. i would still think the price would be too high, but now it's an option where w/o parcells being in miami, it really wasn't.

all that said, we do need a top flight RB. that should be painfully obvious to anyone screaming ESTABLISH THE RUN!!! so loudly. i'd love to see us do it but we kinda need a back that can. that player is MIA and not on the team yet.

barber is a great change of pace back but he's not a starter. let's let julius go, get a real starter somewhere and see what happens.
 

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Gangsta Spanksta;1870444 said:
I've been saying Depth too. We had less than we though. Those injuries made a big difference. Personally, I'd favor another receiver over trading the farm for McFadden. We're a passing team and the west coast offense could work here. Just get someone better than Julius for the #2 or #1 running back.

Dallas does have lot of depth, at DE and LB'er. and a little on the OL. but other then that, not much quality.

Especially at WR. When u have Hurd actually have abetter game then ur #2 guy yesterday, thats telling. Crayton is a very good Slot wr. But dallas needs that #2 guy, somebody like Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed to be able to step in. And be the future.
 

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iceberg;1870469 said:
i'm well known to hate the mcfadden talk. still am as in the end i think the price to pay for the fins pick will be way too high. we laugh at oakland for paying russell how much when he never played a down yet now we have our set that's so willing to pay up to 4 first rounders for 1 player. THEN we'll have to pay around or more than russell on top of that.

now if we could swap picks, players and even ireland or something, we're back in the running. i would still think the price would be too high, but now it's an option where w/o parcells being in miami, it really wasn't.

all that said, we do need a top flight RB. that should be painfully obvious to anyone screaming ESTABLISH THE RUN!!! so loudly. i'd love to see us do it but we kinda need a back that can. that player is MIA and not on the team yet.

barber is a great change of pace back but he's not a starter. let's let julius go, get a real starter somewhere and see what happens.

Michael Turner.
 

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This post wreaked of stupidity as soon as I read that Bush was better than McFadden, especially considering the talent USC was stocked at. And the knock on Bush is that he doesn't run well between the tackles, which is definitely not a knock against McFadden...
 

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LatinMind;1870478 said:
Michael Turner.

he's on my list to consider as a top FA. no draft picks lost, problem addressed. how legitimate is another issue.
 
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Bush bigger than McFadden, you lost me right there... McFadden is 220 lbs and runs a 4.3/4.4. Leron Landy validated claims of his power.
 

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iceberg;1870469 said:
i'm well known to hate the mcfadden talk. still am as in the end i think the price to pay for the fins pick will be way too high. we laugh at oakland for paying russell how much when he never played a down yet now we have our set that's so willing to pay up to 4 first rounders for 1 player. THEN we'll have to pay around or more than russell on top of that.

now if we could swap picks, players and even ireland or something, we're back in the running. i would still think the price would be too high, but now it's an option where w/o parcells being in miami, it really wasn't.

all that said, we do need a top flight RB. that should be painfully obvious to anyone screaming ESTABLISH THE RUN!!! so loudly. i'd love to see us do it but we kinda need a back that can. that player is MIA and not on the team yet.

barber is a great change of pace back but he's not a starter. let's let julius go, get a real starter somewhere and see what happens.

Chances are you are right. Then again I saw Dallas pull off a big trade with players and picks to get Dorsett. While some love to tell me how the game has changed the fact is it has not changed much since the last SB run we had in the 90's and that teams had a dominate RB who was a big reason for the 3 titles in 4 years. If Dallas can't make a move to get McFadden then at least this appears to be a good draft for the RB position and I would hope that the Cowboys make a move on one.
 
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khiladi;1870482 said:
This post wreaked of stupidity as soon as I read that Bush was better than McFadden, especially considering the talent USC was stocked at. And the knock on Bush is that he doesn't run well between the tackles, which is definitely not a knock against McFadden...

Agreed...
 

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BTW, how will a team take McFadden out in the 20s? All the Cowboys have to do is line him out on the flank or from the slot, and expose the LB match-up that most likely is going to happen. Hell, you can do that out of the I formation, with Barber in the backfield. And just hand if out to Barber, because everybody is too worried about who is going to catch the ball.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1870488 said:
Bush bigger than McFadden, you lost me right there... McFadden is 220 lbs and runs a 4.3/4.4. Leron Landy valided claims of his power.

McFadden can knock helmets off with this stiff-arm. Plus, he is damn efficient in how he runs, unlike a Bush. You give him a small hole, and he is gone.
 
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khiladi;1870492 said:
BTW, how will a team take McFadden out in the 20s? All the Cowboys have to do is line him out on the flank or from the slot, and expose the LB match-up that most likely is going to happen. Hell, you can do that out of the I formation, with Barber in the backfield. And just hand if out to Barber, because everybody is too worried about who is going to catch the ball.

The bottom line is McFadden is a weapon that HAS TO BE accounted for EVERY down... Let's not talk about his hands.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1870488 said:
Bush bigger than McFadden, you lost me right there... McFadden is 220 lbs and runs a 4.3/4.4. Leron Landy valided claims of his power.
Darren McFadden # 5 TB - TB Height: 6-2 Weight: 205 Sophomore Previous Affiliations Pulaski Oak Grove HS Hometown Little Rock, Ark.
from Arkansas website. looks like ur wrong
 
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