What's the opinion on Hurd and Austin?

[superpunk]

oh lord - one of the other reasons it's a PITA to post in here these days chimes in and has to run around insulting intelligence of others to have a good day.

you're right. it's much more brilliant to keep him on the roster and pay him millions a year when he's not played a single down this year.

what if he doesn't *ever* recover? it seems every time you and others find joy in the "he practiced this week!" it fades as his knee swells from the effort.

if you want to talk, let's talk SP - but i do get tired of the "i must insult you at all costs" crap you fling about.

You are perhaps the whiniest person on the entire forum.

Glenn's playing this week. If the doctors thought there was no chance of his return, you'd think they'd have notified the decision makers in the Cowboys organization. The upside of having a Terry Glenn on the roster, and his possible contribution is far greater than Matt Moore's possible warming-the-bench contribution for the next 6 years. Clearly that's what the coaches believed, as well. If we wanted to keep Matt Moore, we could have - but he had no future here.

"We should cut him, even though it appears the doctors believe he'll be ok". This nonsense is akin to the "We need to play Henson!" whining we had to endure. It's pure stupidity to advocate cutting a fantastic receiver simply because he's recovering from an injury. I'm sorry if there's no way to sugar coat that to make it more palatable for your sensitive sensibilities, but it is what it is.

Whine on.

name 3 of his seasons he went the entire year w/o injury.

2005, 2003, 2001, 2000, possibly 2002 and 2006 (I can't remember why he didn't play against Arizona). He's played 14 or more games in 7 of the 12 seasons he's played in the league, adn the only reason that's not 8 is because Bellichick suspended him in 2001.

 

[iceberg]

You are perhaps the whiniest person on the entire forum.

Glenn's playing this week. If the doctors thought there was no chance of his return, you'd think they'd have notified the decision makers in the Cowboys organization. The upside of having a Terry Glenn on the roster, and his possible contribution is far greater than Matt Moore's possible warming-the-bench contribution for the next 6 years. Clearly that's what the coaches believed, as well. If we wanted to keep Matt Moore, we could have - but he had no future here.

"We should cut him, even though it appears the doctors believe he'll be ok". This nonsense is akin to the "We need to play Henson!" whining we had to endure. It's pure stupidity to advocate cutting a fantastic receiver simply because he's recovering from an injury. I'm sorry if there's no way to sugar coat that to make it more palatable for your sensitive sensibilities, but it is what it is.

Whine on.


2005, 2003, 2001, 2000, possibly 2002 and 2006 (I can't remember why he didn't play against Arizona). He's played 14 or more games in 7 of the 12 seasons he's played in the league, adn the only reason that's not 8 is because Bellichick suspended him in 2001.

and you just seem to get your giggles out of your "position of arrogance". there was a day tearing you a new arse would be fun for me. while it still could be, i'd damn sure get banned for awhile for it.

people disagree with you you seem to love to run to the crap to make fun of them.

talking like an adult really isn't that hard to do. well, for most. you just seem to think anyone on this forum is your personal bchslap toy if you happen to disagree with them.

maybe i am a whiner. but whatever i may happen to be it's a damn sight better than anything you are.

 

[superpunk]

and you just seem to get your giggles out of your "position of arrogance". there was a day tearing you a new arse would be fun for me. while it still could be, i'd damn sure get banned for awhile for it.

people disagree with you you seem to love to run to the crap to make fun of them.

talking like an adult really isn't that hard to do. well, for most. you just seem to think anyone on this forum is your personal bchslap toy if you happen to disagree with them.

maybe i am a whiner. but whatever i may happen to be it's a damn sight better than anything you are.

If you disapprove of people calling you to account for saying stupid things, then maybe it would serve you well to stop saying stupid things. If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't the best place for you.

I anxiously await your next hypocritical "Why do all these morons start McFadden threads" post.

 

[iceberg]

If you disapprove of people calling you to account for saying stupid things, then maybe it would serve you well to stop saying stupid things. If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't the best place for you.

I anxiously await your next hypocritical "Why do all these morons start McFadden threads" post.

fine. you win and i'm busy redefining stupidity. go dance now.

 

[aikemirv]

we always seem to churn the bottom of the WR roster and sometimes one of the WR's will make a catch and suddenly they have all the potential in the world. we can assume glenn will be gone pretty safely after this year. we can also believe that owens will be back - which is a very good thing. i'd put out a 3 year contract with options in it that increase pay but give us a bail at any given year if we need to and just keep picking up the option as long as he's playing at this level.

then we have crayton. great #3, pretty good #2. i would think he'd be a great eagles #1. keep in mind i only say this because he's NOT a #1 wr but the eagles are infamous for that. i DO NOT want him to go there, however.

anyway - WR is a definate need in the offseason. see what FA we can get and draft who we hope to be a future #1. i could see next year look like

1. owens
2. crayton
3. draft pick
4. stanback
5. hurd
6. austin if we keep 6.

slide in a top FA at #2 and they all drop and i think we cut bait on austin.

I agree with the idea that Glenn will be gone. You just can't go into a season counting on him. I think Crayton will be the guy that is going to be on the bubble - with that I mean if we are able to snag a FA or make a trade with one of our 1st for a guy like Roy Williams then it would be Crayton that we would not pay top dollar #3 money for and Hurd would slide into the #3 WR position. Austin would be #4 and Stanback 5 and then have room for a early draft pick.

If we can't get a big FA or trade for RW then I think Crayton goes to #2 and gets a 3 yr deal or so and we go earlier in the draft for a WR. Thats is when the status of Austin and Hurd start to get iffy IF Stanback is continuing to progress. Hurd is a very good special teamer and so is Austin. Stanback, if showing promise, has to replace one of those 2 in the special teams IMO and that likely would be Austin.

 

[swj010]

I think we should acquire a young available veteran receiver through free agency. Experience does wonders and I don't see Glenn returning with age and injury proneness.

The top three receivers in free agency are Randy Moss, Bernard Berrian and Patrick Crayton. I doubt NE lets Moss go but, even if they do, I don't see how we can 1)afford Moss and T.O. and 2) are capable of keeping both of them happy on the same team. I would rather have Crayton than Berrian so we are back to resigning Crayton and 1) trading for someone like Fitzgerald or Roy Williams if they are even available, 2) finding someone in the draft which won't help much next year, or 3) developing the talent we have Stanback, Austin and Hurd.

 

[iceberg]

I agree with the idea that Glenn will be gone. You just can't go into a season counting on him. I think Crayton will be the guy that is going to be on the bubble - with that I mean if we are able to snag a FA or make a trade with one of our 1st for a guy like Roy Williams then it would be Crayton that we would not pay top dollar #3 money for and Hurd would slide into the #3 WR position. Austin would be #4 and Stanback 5 and then have room for a early draft pick.

If we can't get a big FA or trade for RW then I think Crayton goes to #2 and gets a 3 yr deal or so and we go earlier in the draft for a WR. Thats is when the status of Austin and Hurd start to get iffy IF Stanback is continuing to progress. Hurd is a very good special teamer and so is Austin. Stanback, if showing promise, has to replace one of those 2 in the special teams IMO and that likely would be Austin.

if glenn is to stay around it would have to be close to vet minimum and i'd even put in an injury clause. early on this year jones was quoted as saying that glenn was out for the year but that was pulled quick.

maybe it should have stayed, huh?

stanback is also an injury ?, so that would be interesting. but when you're talking 4th and 5th wr, experimenting isn't that big a deal. overall i'm in the HOS line of thinking in that we need to talk arizona out of fitzgerald for one of our 1st round picks.

 

[iceberg]

The top three receivers in free agency are Randy Moss, Bernard Berrian and Patrick Crayton. I doubt NE lets Moss go but, even if they do, I don't see how we can 1)afford Moss and T.O. and 2) are capable of keeping both of them happy on the same team. I would rather have Crayton than Berrian so we are back to resigning Crayton and 1) trading for someone like Fitzgerald or Roy Williams if they are even available, 2) finding someone in the draft which won't help much next year, or 3) developing the talent we have Stanback, Austin and Hurd.

i doubt moss will go. i also don't want berrian even though he's on the list of top WR's available. just means not many are really. resign crayton, trade for someone if you can, or do the best you can in the draft and keep moving forward.

 

[jackrussell]

We'd be sooooo set at WR now if we'd taken Santonio Holmes instead of Bobby Carpenter in '06.

Wrong Buckeye jerra...I mourned that draft day.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Good Special Teamers.. thats about it. Miles has speed but dont trust him with ball. Hurd might be a decent third WR one day. But neither is 1 or 2 material.

 

[superpunk]

We'd be sooooo set at WR now if we'd taken Santonio Holmes instead of Bobby Carpenter in '06.

Wrong Buckeye jerra...I mourned that draft day.

I still think that can work out. I was of the opinion that Carpenter was one of the reasons Hawk could be Hawk, and that he'd excel in the NFL in coverage, allowing us to free up other backers to be more aggressive. So far, it's probably been his weakness at the point that is keeping him off the field. I can't imagine him being worse in coverage than our two starting ILBs.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You are perhaps the whiniest person on the entire forum.

Glenn's playing this week. If the doctors thought there was no chance of his return, you'd think they'd have notified the decision makers in the Cowboys organization. The upside of having a Terry Glenn on the roster, and his possible contribution is far greater than Matt Moore's possible warming-the-bench contribution for the next 6 years. Clearly that's what the coaches believed, as well. If we wanted to keep Matt Moore, we could have - but he had no future here.

"We should cut him, even though it appears the doctors believe he'll be ok".

I wonder how much owens being out is pushing for Glenn to play.
I'm a huge Glenn fan, but he isn't getting younger and his knees wont ever be even close to 100%.

There is nothing wrong with moving him at this point.

 

[superpunk]

I wonder how much owens being out is pushing for Glenn to play.
I'm a huge Glenn fan, but he isn't getting younger and his knees wont ever be even close to 100%.

There is nothing wrong with moving him at this point.

I think Glenn is coming back because it's the playoffs. We haven't needed him. Jerry made a big investment in him, and no doubt realizes what a premature rush back to action might do for Terry's semi-long-term recovery. The Colts seem to be treating Marvin Harrison the same way. If you don't need them, why not rest them?

Our medical staff and decision makers obviously think Glenn can be back and making a difference, just as they did for Ellis. If they didn't, he wouldn't be with the team. I think we can trust that.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Good Special Teamers.. thats about it. Miles has speed but dont trust him with ball. Hurd might be a decent third WR one day. But neither is 1 or 2 material.

I agree.

I think Hurd, could make a very good #3 receiver.

Based on Owens' production, I would love to see him get an extenstion and use one of our top draft picks on a trade for somebody like Roy Williams.

 

[iceberg]

You are perhaps the whiniest person on the entire forum.

Glenn's playing this week. If the doctors thought there was no chance of his return, you'd think they'd have notified the decision makers in the Cowboys organization. The upside of having a Terry Glenn on the roster, and his possible contribution is far greater than Matt Moore's possible warming-the-bench contribution for the next 6 years. Clearly that's what the coaches believed, as well. If we wanted to keep Matt Moore, we could have - but he had no future here.

"We should cut him, even though it appears the doctors believe he'll be ok".

I wonder how much owens being out is pushing for Glenn to play.
I'm a huge Glenn fan, but he isn't getting younger and his knees wont ever be even close to 100%.

There is nothing wrong with moving him at this point.

yea, nc. i'm just not going to get into the semantics of what each word means in what i type. if i did that i could dog on "appears the doctors" and make assumptions and HAHA's all over also - but to what point? why?

i can do a lot of things in this world and arguing with a self-idolized idiot keeps falling on the list as time goes on.

in any event, i still feel regardless we should cut glenn and move on. he'll never be who he used to be and who he used to be quite often was injured anyway. if he'd come back as a #3 at a reduced $, i'd have to think about that sure. but i would *never* at this point put ourselves in a situation where his being out could hurt us. he's been out a year, yes and no we've not been that hurt. but this is the first time we could have:

1. crayton
2. hurd
3. austin
4. stanback

as our WR corps. anyone quaking in fear yet? owens has flat out been that much of a difference maker and his being out WILL hurt where glenn has not. with glenn in we're better than the 4 above - i'd hope.

but not taking a snap in a game in what, a year? i don't find it realistic to think he'll come back and be the terry glenn we saw before. not yet, not so soon and perhaps, ever.

even if the doctors clear him to play, that doesn't mean he will very well or at his old level. while we can point to ellis, we need to treat people individually and not point to a favorite success or failure story to back up our hoped for views.

in any event, we need to legitimately address WR this off-season.

 

[superpunk]

yea, nc. i'm just not going to get into the semantics of what each word means in what i type. if i did that i could dog on "appears the doctors" and make assumptions and HAHA's all over also - but to what point? why?

i can do a lot of things in this world and arguing with a self-idolized idiot keeps falling on the list as time goes on.

 

[iceberg]

needs more facial hair.

always gotta be superior, don't you? freud would say you have mother issues.

 

[superpunk]

needs more facial hair.

http://img184.*************/img184/1198/icebergvw8.jpg

 

[iceberg]

http://img184.*************/img184/1198/icebergvw8.jpg

well that is more but mine isn't as well groomed. damn us picky whiners.

 

[5Stars]

well that is more but mine isn't as well groomed. damn us picky whiners.

Iceberg, you and Punk need to get drunk and get into a hot tub...you know, talk it out, hug it out?